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9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative?

rob balsamo
post Aug 19 2009, 10:07 PM
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Another chat between Rob Balsamo and John Lear, Son of the Learjet and Core Member of Pilots For 9/11 Truth, answering the questions of those who refuse to ask him directly. Topics include CIA work, Iran-Contra, "Truth Movement" division, "Impossible Speeds", NTSB Data, and "No Plane Theories"... among other topics.
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post Aug 20 2009, 01:07 AM
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Thanks for doing this and putting it up, Rob. Lear is clearly one of the most remarkable and interesting people alive on this planet. I have the utmost respect for him -- but that doesn't mean I necessarily "believe" some of the things he says just because he says them. I don't think he would want anyone to do that, anyway.

Some of our detractors like to couch the "John Lear issue" as a matter of credibility. The idea being that since Lear has some very unconventional views, his support is a potential weakness that could be exploited, especially by unfriendly media, as further evidence that the 9/11 truth movement are a bunch of nutters not to be taken seriously. Aside from the fact that the corporate owned media is not likely to EVER take this movement "seriously," the problem here is that these same people aren't addressing the evidence that Pilots for Truth and Citizen Investigation Team has uncovered and made public. Instead they prefer to adopt a logical fallacy that insists if John Lear (or someone like him) supports this evidence, then this evidence must be false. Thus, in a twist of logic that goes beyond ironic, they do the very thing they say they're afraid the "John Lear issue" will do: Discredit by association.

MEANWHILE, analysis of the NTSB supplied FDR data allegedly from Flight 77 shows that it could not have hit the Pentagon. Aerodynamically impossible. This is clear, take it to the judge, evidence of a cover-up and falsification of evidence supplied to the public via FOIA by government agencies (NTSB and FBI). MEANWHILE we have numerous verified on the record and on the scene eye witnesses who corroborate one another in having seen a plane on a flight path, bank angle and air speed that is irreconcilable with the physical damage. MEANWHILE we have one on the scene taxi driver with a busted windshield and punctured back seat whose initial story stretches credulity to the breaking point followed by a complete denial of his having ever been in the precise location necessary for his initial story to even be remotely possible. MEANWHILE we have a Pentagon police officer reporting that immediately after the explosion at the Pentagon he saw a low flying "commercial airliner" flying over the South parking lot. MEANWHILE we have a bunch of people who claim to be advocates for 9/11 truth who can't wrap their heads around all this, preferring instead to continue to insist that, despite all this evidence, the official account of Flight 77 must be true and, instead, prefer to demonize the people and organizations that have worked diligently for years to gather this information and make it public. And these same people want to hang their arguments on issues of credibility??

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- rob balsamo   9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative?   Aug 19 2009, 10:07 PM
- - painter   Thanks for doing this and putting it up, Rob. Lear...   Aug 20 2009, 01:07 AM
- - albertchampion   thank you, rob. for that interview. and for puttin...   Aug 20 2009, 01:15 AM
- - Trapster   Be very weary of Lear. He is a dis-info specialis...   Aug 20 2009, 10:40 PM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 19 2009, 12:40 AM) ...   Aug 22 2009, 12:53 PM
|- - painter   QUOTE (johnlear @ Aug 22 2009, 09:53 AM) ...   Aug 22 2009, 01:19 PM
- - rob balsamo   Trap, Did you listen to the interview? We discuss...   Aug 20 2009, 11:03 PM
- - aerohead   Excellent interview. And i feel much better abou...   Aug 21 2009, 09:05 PM
|- - pan   QUOTE (aerohead @ Aug 21 2009, 09:05 PM) ...   May 5 2010, 06:28 PM
|- - Quest   QUOTE (pan @ May 5 2010, 11:28 PM) Thanks...   May 5 2010, 09:01 PM
- - Trapster   Ok, here we go. 1) Yes, I did listen to the inter...   Aug 21 2009, 10:55 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 21 2009, 10:55 PM) ...   Aug 21 2009, 11:20 PM
|- - pan   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 21 2009, 10:55 PM) ...   May 10 2010, 09:09 AM
- - Trapster   QUOTE We do not offer theory or point blame at thi...   Aug 22 2009, 12:44 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 21 2009, 10:44 PM) ...   Aug 22 2009, 01:46 AM
||- - johnlear   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 20 2009, 03:46 AM) EDI...   Aug 22 2009, 01:11 PM
||- - dMole   QUOTE (johnlear @ Aug 22 2009, 11:11 AM) ...   May 20 2010, 03:25 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 22 2009, 12:44 AM) ...   Aug 22 2009, 07:39 AM
- - Lasthorseman   "The lie is different at every level" Ri...   Aug 22 2009, 06:16 AM
- - painter   I want to underscore what Rob is saying here, Trap...   Aug 22 2009, 01:08 PM
- - rob balsamo   NPT posts split and moved here.. http://pilotsfor9...   Aug 24 2009, 01:26 PM
- - tezzajw   No matter how hard you try to set the record strai...   Aug 28 2009, 06:38 PM
- - rob balsamo   Welcome back tezz! I was starting to wonder w...   Aug 28 2009, 06:50 PM
- - Trapster   Ok, I have stayed away from this because I thought...   Aug 28 2009, 10:55 PM
|- - tezzajw   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 29 2009, 12:55 PM) ...   Aug 29 2009, 01:10 AM
|- - painter   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 28 2009, 07:55 PM) ...   Aug 29 2009, 02:49 AM
||- - tnemelckram   Hi Trapster and Painter! QUOTE (Personally, I...   Aug 29 2009, 09:09 PM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 27 2009, 01:55 AM) ...   May 19 2010, 11:59 PM
- - rob balsamo   Trap, I havent read your full reply. With that s...   Aug 28 2009, 11:07 PM
- - Quest   Do you guys mind if I weigh in on this? I am not ...   Aug 30 2009, 01:39 AM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE name='Quest' date='Aug 28 2009, ...   May 20 2010, 04:06 AM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE And we also know that Prescott Bush and his ...   May 20 2010, 04:16 AM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE I could go on and on and on.... What I am ge...   May 20 2010, 04:23 AM
- - aerohead   All i know is, we have a hard enough time getting ...   Aug 30 2009, 02:40 AM
|- - Quest   QUOTE (aerohead @ Aug 30 2009, 07:40 AM) ...   Aug 30 2009, 02:50 AM
- - tnemelckram   Hi Quest! QUOTE The likelihood that in the sh...   Aug 30 2009, 04:53 AM
- - lunk   Imagination is the most powerful force in the univ...   Aug 30 2009, 07:59 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 30 2009, 07:59 AM) I se...   Aug 30 2009, 09:53 AM
||- - Quest   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Aug 30 2009, 01...   Aug 30 2009, 02:05 PM
|- - Quest   QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 30 2009, 11:59 AM) Imag...   Aug 30 2009, 02:05 PM
||- - painter   QUOTE (Quest @ Aug 30 2009, 11:05 AM) Exc...   Aug 30 2009, 03:08 PM
||- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (painter @ Aug 30 2009, 03:08 PM) E...   Aug 30 2009, 03:21 PM
||- - Quest   QUOTE (painter @ Aug 30 2009, 08:08 PM) E...   Aug 30 2009, 03:57 PM
||- - lunk   QUOTE (painter @ Aug 30 2009, 12:08 PM) E...   Aug 30 2009, 04:14 PM
||- - Quest   QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 30 2009, 09:14 PM) LOL...   Aug 30 2009, 04:18 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 28 2009, 10:59 AM) Imag...   Aug 31 2009, 10:42 AM
- - dMole   [Sorry all for the "sour" mood, but...] ...   Aug 30 2009, 09:11 PM
- - dMole   In truth... those trying to lay down the "di...   Aug 30 2009, 09:44 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 30 2009, 06:44 PM) In ...   Aug 31 2009, 01:53 AM
|- - painter   QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 30 2009, 10:53 PM) http...   Aug 31 2009, 02:32 PM
||- - JimMac   QUOTE (painter @ Aug 31 2009, 02:32 PM) A...   Sep 1 2009, 08:58 PM
||- - JimMac   QUOTE (JimMac @ Sep 1 2009, 08:58 PM) I a...   Sep 1 2009, 09:51 PM
||- - painter   QUOTE (JimMac @ Sep 1 2009, 06:51 PM) I...   Sep 1 2009, 11:35 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 30 2009, 11:53 PM) http...   Aug 31 2009, 03:07 PM
- - Trapster   It's not my place to express any opinion about...   Aug 31 2009, 12:26 PM
- - Quest   John Lear, do you mind if I ask you a few question...   Aug 31 2009, 08:23 PM
- - painter   Quest, why don't you post these questions in t...   Aug 31 2009, 09:51 PM
|- - Quest   QUOTE (painter @ Sep 1 2009, 02:51 AM) Qu...   Aug 31 2009, 10:18 PM
- - aerohead   National Geographic had a special last night (mon....   Sep 1 2009, 09:35 PM
|- - Daniels   QUOTE (aerohead @ Sep 2 2009, 09:35 AM) N...   Sep 2 2009, 12:11 AM
- - pan   Thank you Mr. John Lear for been on this site and ...   May 1 2010, 05:25 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (pan @ May 1 2010, 05:25 AM) Who is...   May 1 2010, 10:59 AM
- - SanderO   The issue of trusting people when they take any ou...   May 1 2010, 10:29 AM
- - amazed!   Trapster Call me a maudlin fool, but I would stil...   May 1 2010, 02:20 PM
|- - Quest   QUOTE (amazed! @ May 1 2010, 06:20 PM...   May 1 2010, 03:46 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Quest @ May 1 2010, 03:46 PM) But ...   May 2 2010, 08:27 PM
|||- - Quest   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ May 3 2010, 01:27 AM...   May 3 2010, 10:39 AM
||- - johnlear   QUOTE (Quest @ Apr 29 2010, 06:46 PM) But...   May 19 2010, 06:36 PM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (amazed! @ Apr 29 2010, 05:20 P...   May 20 2010, 01:58 AM
- - amazed!   No objection from me Quest, in that regard. You m...   May 2 2010, 04:28 PM
- - nitatutt   Just my opinion (I know it means little) I find ...   May 2 2010, 10:58 PM
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|- - pan   QUOTE (Quest @ May 11 2010, 08:52 PM) Pan...   May 11 2010, 10:23 PM
|- - pan   QUOTE (Quest @ May 11 2010, 09:52 PM) Pan...   May 11 2010, 11:07 PM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (Quest @ May 10 2010, 12:52 AM) Pan...   May 20 2010, 01:22 AM
- - aerohead   Aj is legit, but gets a bit over enthusiastic. Ot...   May 19 2010, 02:48 AM
|- - pan   QUOTE (aerohead @ May 19 2010, 01:48 AM) ...   May 19 2010, 06:46 AM
- - dMole   Most of the off-topic Alex Jones "discussion...   May 19 2010, 03:21 AM
|- - pan   QUOTE (dMole @ May 19 2010, 02:21 AM) Mos...   May 19 2010, 04:59 AM
- - pan   Click for: Justice for Bentwaters 81st Security ...   May 19 2010, 06:49 AM
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|- - johnlear   QUOTE (pan @ May 17 2010, 10:02 AM) Ex-de...   May 19 2010, 07:05 PM
|- - pan   QUOTE (johnlear @ May 19 2010, 06:05 PM) ...   May 19 2010, 10:02 PM
||- - johnlear   QUOTE (pan @ May 18 2010, 01:02 AM) Dear ...   May 19 2010, 11:01 PM
|- - Quest   QUOTE (johnlear @ May 20 2010, 12:05 AM) ...   May 19 2010, 10:36 PM
|- - pan   QUOTE (Quest @ May 19 2010, 09:36 PM) Hel...   May 19 2010, 11:32 PM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (Quest @ May 18 2010, 01:36 AM) Hel...   May 20 2010, 01:02 AM
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- - albertchampion   i think it odd, i have lived on this planet, the u...   May 19 2010, 10:14 PM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (albertchampion @ May 18 2010, 01:1...   May 19 2010, 10:35 PM
- - paranoia   mr.lear, since we have the privilege of you (and...   May 20 2010, 01:47 AM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (paranoia @ May 18 2010, 04:47 AM) ...   May 20 2010, 02:20 AM
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- - johnlear   QUOTE (lunk @ May 18 2010, 11:38 PM) hmmm...   May 20 2010, 08:43 PM
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