9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative? Options

[rob balsamo]

Another chat between Rob Balsamo and John Lear, Son of the Learjet and Core Member of Pilots For 9/11 Truth, answering the questions of those who refuse to ask him directly. Topics include CIA work, Iran-Contra, "Truth Movement" division, "Impossible Speeds", NTSB Data, and "No Plane Theories"... among other topics.
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[Trapster]

We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time.

And:

is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout

And:

We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

So, first off, I am not a member of Pilots because I am neither a pilot or aviation professional. I do not, and will never say that I speak for this outstanding group. I am a forum member and nothing else. I'm sorry you won't be with us at Ground Zero, but I understand your position.

However, there is a time to look at the big picture and the big issues and get out there and take part in a visible agitation. It is important to deny the LIE of 9/11 from those that would use it for evil.

Ok, I can still engage in asking questions and adding my worthless 2 cents worth, yes?

Lear worked under contract for the CIA. He had to have clearance, high level clearance. There is a connection between the CIA and Lear. You and he are both up front with that.

So, what is disinformation?

By one account:

misinformation that is deliberately disseminated in order to influence or confuse rivals

The game is an old one, to plant bogus and easily disproved claims in any inquiry into what the government is doing, in order to ridicule those asking questions. In the old days it worked, because the media was under government control and could be counted on to withhold exposure of the fraud until it could most damage those who asked questions. These days, in the age of the Internet, such planted hoaxes do not survive because the questions the media should ask but refuse to do so ARE asked and answered.



In the interview, Lear was kept in a tight box, the interviewer did most of the talking and only alluded to some 'far out' theories. The question format was simple, a direct question about aircraft speed and as to if this proves or disproves the 'no plane' theory. Simple and tight. Prefect for a straight yes/no answer.

Here, in this forum, I am urging caution when dealing with someone who has CIA ties and some far out theories (I guess Lear does support the hologram theory).

It's a classic case of getting people within an orgnization looking for the Truth to start in-fighting.

Lear presents as a good guy. If you trust him, cool.

There is a guy in NYC, Nico Haupt, that loves the hologram theory. Nico is a full wingnut and presents as a Govt. plant. Perhaps Lear and Haupt should get together and discuss the hologram theory?? (sorry, I could not resist that one)

[dMz]

Lear worked under contract for the CIA. He had to have clearance, high level clearance. There is a connection between the CIA and Lear. You and he are both up front with that.

Trapster, in all honesty this is probably the WRONG month to bring up "disinfo" charges. There is already a full-on sh*t-storm that appears to have been started by several other prominent "truth movement leaders" some time ago- I have even posted a one-page timeline over in the Debate forum for everyone's reference (and those dates were just the quick-n-dirty ones that I found in a quick INTERNET SEARCH and may need to be revised and other dates added). [HINT: Call it a "working copy." (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ]

That said, have you ever actually worked for a government contractor? I have worked for more than one, and I actually had security clearances but sadly?? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) they weren't all that "high..." (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) In fact, our admin. assistants/secretaries often/usually had a higher clearance than I did as a scientist/engineer (although they rarely understood a small fraction of the written material or diagrams, which kept them (the secretaries) so efficient <<< *** : HINT).

With still more said, some could claim that I have worked for "USAF, USN, NASA, Russian, and Japanese Government" (and possibly the E.U. as well). In actuality, I actually worked for a contractor that had contracted with various "government" agencies (a couple of whom were far "spookier" than CIA, FWIW). (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

EDIT: Hallibortion, Blackwater/Xe, CACI, etc.- pretty much the same pattern (but likely far more sinister than the research/development end) I would expect.

EDIT2: Actually Trapster, a more RELEVANT question (IMHO) would involve Mr. John Lear and his involvement (or not) with the A-12/Y(F)-12/"SR-71" program. I'm ALL EARS for some of that...

I'll leave y'alls to do y'alls own research on "the numbers" (if you haven't already)...

[johnlear]

EDIT2: Actually Trapster, a more RELEVANT question (IMHO) would involve Mr. John Lear and his involvement (or not) with the A-12/Y(F)-12/"SR-71" program. I'm ALL EARS for some of that...

I was not involved in any way with the black bird except and all consuming interest. I knew several of the Lockheed test pilots. One was Darryl Greenamyer who checked me out in the F-104. Another was Bill Weaver who I flew copilot for delivering an L-1011 from Marana to Cambridge, England for Orbital Sciences. I would have been permanent copilot for the Pegasus Program but the Pentagon refused to issue a security clearance. If I remember correctly the exact statement to Lockheed was, "Under no circumstances will John Lear ever be issued any more clearances." I think the Pentagon was over reacting. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)