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9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative?

rob balsamo
post Aug 19 2009, 10:07 PM
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Another chat between Rob Balsamo and John Lear, Son of the Learjet and Core Member of Pilots For 9/11 Truth, answering the questions of those who refuse to ask him directly. Topics include CIA work, Iran-Contra, "Truth Movement" division, "Impossible Speeds", NTSB Data, and "No Plane Theories"... among other topics.
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post Aug 30 2009, 07:59 AM
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Imagination is the most powerful force in the universe.
All new things, have to be imagined first,
before they can be engineered, designed and build.

Did the Earth rise to the apple,
or does the apple fall off the tree?
My imagination kicks in and tells me, the latter.

Physics says, they are the same,
it doesn't matter if the apple hits the ground,
or the ground hits the apple. the impact is the same.
...something tells me that there is a problem with physics.
but that could just be my imagination.

It's easy to imagine...
It's hard to imagine...

I watched a Youtube video about farm land in the Hale Crater on Mars.
I spent a day pondering on extra-terrestrial agricultural practices,
within the protective walls of a martian crater, in a warm pocket of high pressure low altitude martian air...probably lots of well water, tanks, above ground, to hold the water, of course... You could see it all, in a picture from the European Space people, taken from an orbiting satellite.

I looked at the pictures, from the ESA and found a few, from different perspectives, as the satellite flew over, I figured. All of the pictures, showed the same farm land and water (or fuel) tanks.
I thought it had to be true.

Then I realized, that all the satellite had done, was take an altitude reading of the crater and from that data, a computer generated 3D picture was made, inside a computer, and was topographically colour-coded to easily show the surface altitude, and re-drawn, by a computer, to show the terrain from several different angles. None of these were actually real pictures.
The farm land and water/fuel tanks were left over artifacts in the computer 3D programming, that put the pictures together, from the data points.

There was no farmland in the Hale Crater on Mars.

Imagination; the cause, and the solution, to all our problems.

I see nothing wrong with looking into far out ideas,
but there, sometimes, is a less radical explanation,
that explains the observation, better.

UFO's became prominent, soon after the nuclear age had begun.
Could this whole thing, be just a cover-up for the experimentation,
of highly radioactive nuclear flying device experiments.

The perceived threat of aliens,
could be used to hold sway over the people.
Will you defend the aliens, or fight against them?
...and we have been divided again.

sorry for the rant

...imagine...

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post Aug 30 2009, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 30 2009, 11:59 AM) *
Imagination is the most powerful force in the universe.
All new things, have to be imagined first,
before they can be engineered, designed and build.

Did the Earth rise to the apple,
or does the apple fall off the tree?
My imagination kicks in and tells me, the latter.

Physics says, they are the same,
it doesn't matter if the apple hits the ground,
or the ground hits the apple. the impact is the same.
...something tells me that there is a problem with physics.
but that could just be my imagination.

It's easy to imagine...
It's hard to imagine...

I watched a Youtube video about farm land in the Hale Crater on Mars.
I spent a day pondering on extra-terrestrial agricultural practices,
within the protective walls of a martian crater, in a warm pocket of high pressure low altitude martian air...probably lots of well water, tanks, above ground, to hold the water, of course... You could see it all, in a picture from the European Space people, taken from an orbiting satellite.

I looked at the pictures, from the ESA and found a few, from different perspectives, as the satellite flew over, I figured. All of the pictures, showed the same farm land and water (or fuel) tanks.
I thought it had to be true.

Then I realized, that all the satellite had done, was take an altitude reading of the crater and from that data, a computer generated 3D picture was made, inside a computer, and was topographically colour-coded to easily show the surface altitude, and re-drawn, by a computer, to show the terrain from several different angles. None of these were actually real pictures.
The farm land and water/fuel tanks were left over artifacts in the computer 3D programming, that put the pictures together, from the data points.

There was no farmland in the Hale Crater on Mars.

Imagination; the cause, and the solution, to all our problems.

I see nothing wrong with looking into far out ideas,
but there, sometimes, is a less radical explanation,
that explains the observation, better.

UFO's became prominent, soon after the nuclear age had begun.
Could this whole thing, be just a cover-up for the experimentation,
of highly radioactive nuclear flying device experiments.

The perceived threat of aliens,
could be used to hold sway over the people.
Will you defend the aliens, or fight against them?
...and we have been divided again.

sorry for the rant

...imagine...


Excellent post, Lunk.
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post Aug 30 2009, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE (Quest @ Aug 30 2009, 11:05 AM) *
Excellent post, Lunk.

Except that he is wrong. Imagination is undoubtedly a powerful force but consciousness (as distinct from any object of it, be it imaginative or otherwise) is more fundamental.
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QUOTE (painter @ Aug 30 2009, 03:08 PM) *
Except that he is wrong. Imagination is undoubtedly a powerful force but consciousness (as distinct from any object of it, be it imaginative or otherwise) is more fundamental.


You can't have an imagination without consciousness, so in a sense imagination is a manifestation of consciousness. Is it the most powerful manifestation? If it's not, it's certainly a big one.
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- rob balsamo   9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative?   Aug 19 2009, 10:07 PM
- - painter   Thanks for doing this and putting it up, Rob. Lear...   Aug 20 2009, 01:07 AM
- - albertchampion   thank you, rob. for that interview. and for puttin...   Aug 20 2009, 01:15 AM
- - Trapster   Be very weary of Lear. He is a dis-info specialis...   Aug 20 2009, 10:40 PM
|- - johnlear   QUOTE (Trapster @ Aug 19 2009, 12:40 AM) ...   Aug 22 2009, 12:53 PM
|- - painter   QUOTE (johnlear @ Aug 22 2009, 09:53 AM) ...   Aug 22 2009, 01:19 PM
- - rob balsamo   Trap, Did you listen to the interview? We discuss...   Aug 20 2009, 11:03 PM
- - aerohead   Excellent interview. And i feel much better abou...   Aug 21 2009, 09:05 PM
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