9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative? Options

[rob balsamo]

Another chat between Rob Balsamo and John Lear, Son of the Learjet and Core Member of Pilots For 9/11 Truth, answering the questions of those who refuse to ask him directly. Topics include CIA work, Iran-Contra, "Truth Movement" division, "Impossible Speeds", NTSB Data, and "No Plane Theories"... among other topics.
Please visit pilotsfor911truth.org for more information.

[dMz]

In truth...

those trying to lay down the "disinfo" traps might find the "artistic" crowd more "entertaining" than I... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

[lunk]

In truth...

those trying to lay down the "disinfo" traps might find the "artistic" crowd more "entertaining" than I... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfV50H-mak

Now that's entertainment!

Trying to get back on track...

It's an asset to "see more", wrong or right.
I see no divisions, in imagination.
but I can imagine how division can weaken a cause.

Is, so and so, a CIA asset?
probably not consciously,
and that couldn't be as bad as someone, in their pocket.

Is johnlear intentionally spreading information to distract
the public from facts about 9/11?

I haven't seen it here.

And I fully appreciate the work of johnlear for the "movement", and
I see his research into, er, extra-terrestrial, stuff, an indicator of someone looking into the box from outside the given angles.

Reality involves looking into the impossible
and finding an explanation.

BTW, I think that people in earlier ages figured out a way, to get to the moon, long before our civilization began, and perhaps other planets, as well.
...and maybe they are still there.

[painter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfV50H-mak

Yeah. Good rant. This is getting close to the heart of it, IMO. It has to do with us. If we can't change ourselves in some significant way, how can we expect to bring about equally significant external changes? WE (those of us living and those of us past) made the conditions for 9/11 (and all this BS) possible. WE have participated in our own subjugation for generations. We've also struggled against it for generations. And HERE is where we are NOW.

Step 1: What kind of world do we want? I mean personally, what do you want, what do I want?

I have to really think about this and delve into it and be willing to look at my own INNER CONTRADICTIONS about what I want. If I say I want a world of "peace" (for example) but don't see how I, through my ignorance and apathy and consumption of resources that rightly belong to someone else (for example), then I'm just fooling myself. If I say I want THE TRUTH but am not willing to look for it in myself as well as in the world around me, then what "truth" is it I really want except the further aggrandizement of my own ego? The truth f*cking hurts, dude! -- and yes, it can set you free.

Step 2: How do we get from here to there? I mean all of us and I men you and I.

Like the guy said, we need to know where we are, how we got here, and where we want to go. If I can see what kind of world I want and begin to see what keeps me from having it -- how I keep myself and everyone else locked up in deceptions about myself and the world -- maybe there is some way out of this mess. It ain't gona happen over night. Human beings have made great technological strides in the past century or so. NOW it is time to make great strides sociologically and within ourselves from a meta-psychological POV. The more conscious and aware we can become of ourselves and of our own inner contradictions, the MORE effective we're going to become in terms of addressing this absolute MESS we've made of the world (economically, politically, socially, environmentally and every other way). Yes, it is true, there are psychopaths who have played a HUGE role in getting us here -- that can not be ignored. But, at the same time, who let these nut-cases stake over in the first place? Who has allowed them to run this ship right into the ironshore? We may not be able to control what they do -- but we CAN control what we do -- and when it comes right down to it, all the 'power' they have depends upon someone else doing something for THEM.

Anyway . . . as far as I'm concerned, the whole John Lear thing is a NON issue. I get where people are coming from about it but I think they're concern is misplaced. Who is making this an issue? The media? Nope. I haven't seen it if they have. Do they disparage us? Oh, sure. Nothing new there. It is to be expected. Do we have to give a damn what they say? No, we don't. We take back our power. THEY no longer determine WHAT 'truth' I believe in. Neither does anyone else. It's up to me. I've revoked my tacit 'consent' to be 'governed' by these ass hats. I'm dedicated to seeing to it that their lies become more transparent to more people everyday. The genie is out of the bottle and he ain't going back in.

[JimMac]

Anyway . . . as far as I'm concerned, the whole John Lear thing is a NON issue. I get where people are coming from about it but I think they're concern is misplaced. Who is making this an issue? The media? Nope. I haven't seen it if they have. Do they disparage us? Oh, sure. Nothing new there. It is to be expected. Do we have to give a damn what they say? No, we don't. We take back our power. THEY no longer determine WHAT 'truth' I believe in. Neither does anyone else. It's up to me. I've revoked my tacit 'consent' to be 'governed' by these ass hats. I'm dedicated to seeing to it that their lies become more transparent to more people everyday. The genie is out of the bottle and he ain't going back in.

I am of the opinion that we who are ' in the know ' got here by a lot of work. I know I did, just sorting through all the bullshit. We are a small fringe element. Nothing with any mass behind it - yet - what I am hoping is that the truth still counts. All we can do is push it. I pushed it this last weekend again at a family and friends party. I found two farmers in the group who responded, cousins. One, a savvy 72 year old farmer from Sask, with his pilots license i might add, responded by saying, he just knew something wasn't right with the story, because those buildings mushroomed down, in his words. My point of view was an affirmation for him about something he'd already been thinking. Then he went on to tell me about how he'd lost trust with government long ago. I hope eventually he might dig around for himself. I planted the seed.

[JimMac]

I am of the opinion that we who are ' in the know ' got here by a lot of work. I know I did, just sorting through all the bullshit. We are a small fringe element. Nothing with any mass behind it - yet - what I am hoping is that the truth still counts. All we can do is push it. I pushed it this last weekend again at a family and friends party. I found two farmers in the group who responded, cousins. One, a savvy 72 year old farmer from Sask, with his pilots license i might add, responded by saying, he just knew something wasn't right with the story, because those buildings mushroomed down, in his words. My point of view was an affirmation for him about something he'd already been thinking. Then he went on to tell me about how he'd lost trust with government long ago. I hope eventually he might dig around for himself. I planted the seed.

I'm quoting myself here, as an addendum afterthought.

The senior male family member at that party was an uncle who was also a pilot, and WWII vet (tail gunner). I'm going to his birthday party in a few weeks and I want to corner him on the subject of 9/11, to see exactly what he thinks. Born into poverty, he retired with double digit millions made on the back of American corporatism. His view of this situation will be interesting for me.

[painter]

I'm quoting myself here, as an addendum afterthought.

The senior male family member at that party was an uncle who was also a pilot, and WWII vet (tail gunner). I'm going to his birthday party in a few weeks and I want to corner him on the subject of 9/11, to see exactly what he thinks. Born into poverty, he retired with double digit millions made on the back of American corporatism. His view of this situation will be interesting for me.

Definitely. Go for it. See what he thinks.

I agree with what you said earlier, JM, the people who are here have gotten here as a result of a lot of work trying to sort through the BS. Most people just don't have the time or inclination. They base their "beliefs" (that is what they are) not on verified evidence or research but on trusting an "authority" to tell them what to think. Thus it has largely always been so.

THAT SAID, there ARE a lot of people out there (we're not quite as much of a "fringe group" as the media WANT us to think we are, get it?) such as the uncle you mentioned who HAS questions, doubts, suspicions. All they need is a little information and guidance -- if they are interested they'll dig into it. I just met a young architectural engineer last weekend who is now reviewing the DVDs I've given him and when he comes to me with questions, I'll have answers or at least suggestions where he can look further into what we know. This is how it works, I think.