9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative? Options

[rob balsamo]

Another chat between Rob Balsamo and John Lear, Son of the Learjet and Core Member of Pilots For 9/11 Truth, answering the questions of those who refuse to ask him directly. Topics include CIA work, Iran-Contra, "Truth Movement" division, "Impossible Speeds", NTSB Data, and "No Plane Theories"... among other topics.
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[Quest]

Do you guys mind if I weigh in on this?

I am not going to tackle the credibility issue because any supposed "tie" with the CIA but rather I'm going to hit it from another angle.

I have not yet read John Lear's complete take on UFO's but what I gather from his "some are real (ufos) and some aren't real (man-made)" statement, he does in fact believe that other-worldly beings have visisted our planet and may in fact still be doing so. My issue with that is that like Trapster, I have seen the UFO topic, along with "grassy-knollers" phrase brought up by the 911 perp's media again and again in attempts to try and discredit a truthseeker or the movement as a whole. Case in point, recently and ironically, I was actually guilty of passing on a video in the Pilot's "Lobby" forum which contained UFO material. In hindsight, the guy in this video is clearly a fraud.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=17861

I'll bet I was guilty as many others that got sucked in by the guy in the above video who told us everything we wanted to know with the "Ted Kennedy wanted my 14 year old daughter" along with Kissinger's infamous "useless eater" phrase. Yep. Outrageous stuff indeed and it needed to shared immediately. He told us what we wanted to hear and we/I passed on his video.... blindly. Big mistake. It was later brought to my intention that the guy's website has all kinds of wierd alternative religion and UFO stuff inked to his site and as anyone knows in the "911 truth business", you don't lead with your weakest stuff when spreading the news. But yet, that is what this guy in this video has done. All that was missing was the "911 perps are shape-shifting lizards" stuff. Now for those here who don't know me well, I, like John Lear, believe there is a lot of evidence to indicate NPT is what transpired at the towers and no, I don't believe holograms were used because it wasn't necessary. Explosions took place in the tower basements causing bystanders to look DOWN at ground level just seconds PRIOR to the supposed impacts in a wonderful slight-of-hand. What an opportune time to create the plane impact gashes with thermite and pre-planted explosives while simultaneously showing fake videos on television. The official "plane impacts" story will now be readily accepted by most people.

I also disagree with Lear's hologram theory. Holograms are an unecessary tool in my scenario and in fact they would only alert bystanders to something fishy if they saw a 'plane' but heard no engine roar. In fact, while typing this, I just produced a mutually exclusive, either/or situation with the "hologram theory" vs. the "impact video theory", that is, they both cannot be "true". The impact videos show loud engine roars, yet we have a hologram theory too. One of these items are false - or - they are BOTH false. My bet is on the latter, as in the old "Coke vs. Pepsi" routine where in reality the same people probably own BOTH companies and carry on the facade to steer business away from the competition. Same for "Democrats" vs "Republicans". But I digress.

My problem with UFO's is that the only people to have "captured" one is the MILITARY. Got that? For all of the supposed sightings around the world the only crash occurred next to a MILITARY base. Just lucky I guess. And no, I don't consider the 1947 Roswell a "civilian" capture for many reasons not the least of which it was that in occurred in the back yard of an AIR FORCE BASE. And we also know that Prescott Bush and his Wall Street NWO banking buddies helped build Hitler's military machine. And what did Hitler's military try and build in secret locations? "Flying saucers". Yet, this was BEFORE the 1947 Roswell crash! How could Hitler and the Nazi SS have possibly known what was to occur in Roswell 2 or 3 years later, AFTER the war ended? Unless, of course, Hitler was following the NWO's marching orders, a premise that seems bolstered by the Bush/Wall Street/Hitler connection. Then we have the fact that, the CFR worked with Princeton and CBS to air the 1938 "War Of The Worlds" radio brodcast in which the entire populatiuon was hoaxed into believing we were being INVADED BY MARTIANS. This was 9 YEARS before Roswell. Are we seeing a pattern here yet? If not, I will spell it out for you. This is known as PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING. This is what is EXACTLY what is happeneing with the "terrorist alerts" and "flu warnings". The Pentagon has worked with the media and Hollywood for decades to facilitate the scaremongering. In fact, the NWO MILITARY has been hoaxing us into believeing there are otherwordly monsters out in the wild blue yonder for over 50 YEARS.

On the technical aspect of aliens and UFOs, the supposed beings and craft would be subject to the same Van Allen radiation belt danger that the Apollo mission hoaxters would have experienced had they actually gone to the moon. Do we even need to mention that there are all kinds of radiation producing bodies in the universe that space travelers would have to avoid? Then there is the question of how long it would take for an alien craft to get here. If it were traveling at such a high rate of speed, faster than the speed of light as suggested by some, for millions if not BILLIIONS of miles, how does it dodge a softball-sized piece of space flotsam that would otherwise "rip a new one" in the side of the ship thus aborting the mission? And what about the G-Forces these "aliens" would have to contend with when passing heavenly bodies at light speed or whatever speed necessary to traverse BILLIONS OF MILES and yet do so during their lifetime so that they won't die of old age before their destination is reached? I could go on and on and on.... What I am getting at is that more than likely, not only is the universe much bigger than we could possibly imagine, it is likely so vast that it neither ever "began" and nor will it ever likely "end". It may morph, distort, expand and realign but it will NEVER dissapear, because, what is infinite just "is". And the likelyhood that an such an advanced civilization exists at EXACTLY the the same time, over the course of BILLIONS OF YEARS, no, make that INFINITY, has found us when we have not yet wiped each other off the face of the planet, is IMHO, a big fat ZERO. In effect, for all practical and relative purposes, we are ALONE. Yes, other civilizations may have existed somewhere in the universe, and probably some will exist some time in the future, but the likelyhood that if such a civilization exists presently, with the necessary technology, close enough, and has found us during our short blip on the radar, is virtually nil.

So, what's my point in all this and what does this have to do with John Lear?

My point is this; that given the age and size of the universe and the time we have existed on this planet, we earthlings are but a flea on a whale's a*s and the probability that in the short span of time that man has existed on this godforsaken planet he has been vistited upon by beings with technology that is capable of traveling at the speeds necessary to cross the universe and actually survive the trip without hitting anything while flying at light-speed, without burning up from heat or radiation and without dying of old age in the process (unless of couse they also perfected Hollywood movie-style "cryogenics") you can virtually rest assurred that any supposed UFOs that exist are indeed man-made; especially when considering the aformentioned MILITARY/CFR hoaxes. Oh, and did I mention the fake Apollo missions?

IMO, the UFO stuff is the "external force" that Henry Kissinger and Ronald Reagan referred to when they were talking about reasons for "people of the world to unite". Defending ourselves from UFOs is also a way to drain endless amounts of HUGE money from taxpayers because with UFOs, like Al CIAda, it is difficult to disprove what doesn't exist. Only your military knows for sure. Trust them. B)

Where does this leave John Lear? I don't know why Mr. Lear says what he does regarding "UFOs", but I CAN say with great conviction that any UFOs that exist are almost certainly made here on terra-firma.

This post has been edited by Quest: Sep 6 2009, 03:21 PM

[johnlear]

name='Quest' date='Aug 28 2009, 04:39 AM' post='10775912']
Do you guys mind if I weigh in on this?

I am not going to tackle the credibility issue because any supposed "tie" with the CIA but rather I'm going to hit it from another angle.

I have not yet read John Lear's complete take on UFO's but what I gather from his "some are real (ufos) and some aren't real (man-made)" statement, he does in fact believe that other-worldly beings have visisted our planet and may in fact still be doing so.

True.

My issue with that is that like Trapster, I have seen the UFO topic, along with "grassy-knollers" phrase brought up by the 911 perp's media again and again in attempts to try and discredit a truthseeker or the movement as a whole. Case in point, recently and ironically, I was actually guilty of passing on a video in the Pilot's "Lobby" forum which contained UFO material. In hindsight, the guy in this video is clearly a fraud.

That happens.

I'll bet I was guilty as many others that got sucked in by the guy in the above video who told us everything we wanted to know with the "Ted Kennedy wanted my 14 year old daughter" along with Kissinger's infamous "useless eater" phrase. Yep. Outrageous stuff indeed and it needed to shared immediately. He told us what we wanted to hear and we/I passed on his video.... blindly. Big mistake. It was later brought to my intention that the guy's website has all kinds of wierd alternative religion and UFO stuff inked to his site and as anyone knows in the "911 truth business", you don't lead with your weakest stuff when spreading the news. But yet, that is what this guy in this video has done. All that was missing was the "911 perps are shape-shifting lizards" stuff. Now for those here who don't know me well, I, like John Lear, believe there is a lot of evidence to indicate NPT is what transpired at the towers and no, I don't believe holograms were used because it wasn't necessary. Explosions took place in the tower basements causing bystanders to look DOWN at ground level just seconds PRIOR to the supposed impacts in a wonderful slight-of-hand. What an opportune time to create the plane impact gashes with thermite and pre-planted explosives while simultaneously showing fake videos on television. The official "plane impacts" story will now be readily accepted by most people.

Holograms were necessary to show airplanes crashing into the WTC. Holograms have technology that can project, in thin air, images with movement, sound, heat and light. Hollywood has this technology for over 10 years but has not released it yet. TV's in the next couple of years will have no screen. the image will be projected anywhere in your room. You will have a hand held controller that can make the image bigger, smaller and can place it on a table or an empty space in the room. The image will be bright and indistinguishable from the real thing.

I also disagree with Lear's hologram theory. Holograms are an unecessary tool in my scenario and in fact they would only alert bystanders to something fishy if they saw a 'plane' but heard no engine roar.

As I mentioned before holograms have heat, light, movement and sound and can be projected into thin air. It does not need a screen or special background material.

In fact, while typing this, I just produced a mutually exclusive, either/or situation with the "hologram theory" vs. the "impact video theory", that is, they both cannot be "true". The impact videos show loud engine roars, yet we have a hologram theory too. One of these items are false - or - they are BOTH false. My bet is on the latter, as in the old "Coke vs. Pepsi" routine where in reality the same people probably own BOTH companies and carry on the facade to steer business away from the competition. Same for "Democrats" vs "Republicans". But I digress.

I have not heard of the impact video theory. Will look it up.

My problem with UFO's is that the only people to have "captured" one is the MILITARY. Got that? For all of the supposed sightings around the world the only crash occurred next to a MILITARY base. Just lucky I guess. And no, I don't consider the 1947 Roswell a "civilian" capture for many reasons not the least of which it was that in occurred in the back yard of an AIR FORCE BASE.

They don't necessarily crash near military bases. They have special teams that erect panels to hide the saucer until it an be flown out by helicopter or if too big put on sometimes 3 lo-boys that drive through the night in formation to the nearest 'safe facility, or in the case of the Garrison crash are too big to do anything with it except bury it. The one that crashed near Garrison, Utah in 1953 is still buried there. They built 3 small buildings and called it the "Desert Research Facility". The buildings and the craft are still there.

[johnlear]

And we also know that Prescott Bush and his Wall Street NWO banking buddies helped build Hitler's military machine. And what did Hitler's military try and build in secret locations? "Flying saucers". Yet, this was BEFORE the 1947 Roswell crash! How could Hitler and the Nazi SS have possibly known what was to occur in Roswell 2 or 3 years later, AFTER the war ended? Unless, of course, Hitler was following the NWO's marching orders, a premise that seems bolstered by the Bush/Wall Street/Hitler connection. Then we have the fact that, the CFR worked with Princeton and CBS to air the 1938 "War Of The Worlds" radio brodcast in which the entire populatiuon was hoaxed into believing we were being INVADED BY MARTIANS. This was 9 YEARS before Roswell. Are we seeing a pattern here yet? If not, I will spell it out for you. This is known as PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING. This is what is EXACTLY what is happeneing with the "terrorist alerts" and "flu warnings". The Pentagon has worked with the media and Hollywood for decades to facilitate the scaremongering. In fact, the NWO MILITARY has been hoaxing us into believeing there are otherwordly monsters out in the wild blue yonder for over 50 YEARS.

Possible however we recovered 1 UFO from England that was not NAZI built, in the late 30's.

On the technical aspect of aliens and UFOs, the supposed beings and craft would be subject to the same Van Allen radiation belt danger that the Apollo mission hoaxters would have experienced had they actually gone to the moon.

Actual alien saucers would be invulnerable considering that it was them who placed the Van Allen belt in the first place to keep us with in 450 miles of earth to prevent us from going anywhere. Kind of like a playpen but considerably more advanced.

Do we even need to mention that there are all kinds of radiation producing bodies in the universe that space travelers would have to avoid?

Radiation does not produce bodies but radiation bodies are easily detected and avoided.

Then there is the question of how long it would take for an alien craft to get here. If it were traveling at such a high rate of speed, faster than the speed of light as suggested by some, for millions if not BILLIIONS of miles, how does it dodge a softball-sized piece of space flotsam that would otherwise "rip a new one" in the side of the ship thus aborting the mission?

Because the way they travel is to focus and amplify the Gravity A wave on a distance object. When the amplifiers are turned on it the amplifiers pull a portion of space to envelope the craft. When they turn off the amplifier they are hundreds of thousand of miles in milliseconds. The amplifiers can recycle every 12 milliseconds so they travel hundreds of light years in a very short time. They can't hit a softball piece of space flotsom because the piece is not in the piece that they united or fuse with.

And what about the G-Forces these "aliens" would have to contend with when passing heavenly bodies at light speed or whatever speed necessary to traverse BILLIONS OF MILES and yet do so during their lifetime so that they won't die of old age before their destination is reached?

Saucers produce their own gravity, you don't feel a thing while inside. Billions of miles would be a very short trip with this technology.

[johnlear]

I could go on and on and on.... What I am getting at is that more than likely, not only is the universe much bigger than we could possibly imagine, it is likely so vast that it neither ever "began" and nor will it ever likely "end". It may morph, distort, expand and realign but it will NEVER dissapear, because, what is infinite just "is". And the likelyhood that an such an advanced civilization exists at EXACTLY the the same time, over the course of BILLIONS OF YEARS, no, make that INFINITY, has found us when we have not yet wiped each other off the face of the planet, is IMHO, a big fat ZERO. In effect, for all practical and relative purposes, we are ALONE.

Yes, there are good aliens and bad aliens but there so many nobody is going to wipe out anybody.

Yes, other civilizations may have existed somewhere in the universe, and probably some will exist some time in the future, but the likelyhood that if such a civilization exists presently, with the necessary technology, close enough, and has found us during our short blip on the radar, is virtually nil.

They didn't find us. They created us.

So, what's my point in all this and what does this have to do with John Lear?

The concerns that what I talk about and my beliefs may interfere with my efforts to help expose the truth about 911.

My point is this; that given the age and size of the universe and the time we have existed on this planet, we earthlings are but a flea on a whale's a*s and the probability that in the short span of time that man has existed on this godforsaken planet he has been vistited upon by beings with technology that is capable of traveling at the speeds necessary to cross the universe and actually survive the trip without hitting anything while flying at light-speed, without burning up from heat or radiation and without dying of old age in the process (unless of couse they also perfected Hollywood movie-style "cryogenics") you can virtually rest assurred that any supposed UFOs that exist are indeed man-made; especially when considering the aformentioned MILITARY/CFR hoaxes. Oh, and did I mention the fake Apollo missions?

They made us, they monitor us and help us achieve maturity.

IMO, the UFO stuff is the "external force" that Henry Kissinger and Ronald Reagan referred to when they were talking about reasons for "people of the world to unite". Defending ourselves from UFOs is also a way to drain endless amounts of HUGE money from taxpayers because with UFOs, like Al CIAda, it is difficult to disprove what doesn't exist. Only your military knows for sure. Trust them. B)

The military would like to know more than they know. That is why disclosure will not happen for several decades. There is no point for disclosure. The military gets what they want, super advanced weapons technology in return for helping keep the secret.

Where does this leave John Lear? I don't know why Mr. Lear says what he does regarding "UFOs", but I CAN say with great conviction that any UFOs that exist are almost certainly made here on terra-firma.

Most of the UFO's seen by the public are made by us. The real alien ones are not interested in playing games by giving the public a view now and then. So if you changed your word from 'any' to 'most' you would be more correct.