9/11: World Trade Center Attack - Official Release! Options

[rob balsamo]

"9/11: WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK" analyzes the events which took place in New York City on the morning of the 11th of September 2001. Analysis includes Black Box Recovery, Radar and Speed data analysis, Aircraft Control, and "Hijacker" Pilot Skill. Interviews with 757/767 Captains from United and American Airlines.



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[sennaha]

"i think major airline captains in the nyc area should identify themselves. name, rank, serial #, aircraft qualified to fly, aircraft that have been flown. how many hours.

you know, the whole career schmeer, captain.

especially when such a captain makes this kind of a post. "

PM me. I would be glad to give you plenty of names, and ranks. I don't fancy posting names of pilots from American, Continental, etc, etc. for your whim. It would be pretty disrestpectful. I was based in EWR at the time of the attacks. My old job, flying the E145. I have moved on 6 years ago and now am based in JFK and current. Why don't you ask any airline pilot in NYC. You get to talk to many pilots in this industry. I know plenty of names, rank, etc. Serial #, I have no clue what that refers to. Maybe employee number, which is a number you wouldn't remember but your own. I'm not really sure the total hours I have, but I'm sure its above 9000. (just a guess, and a number I can care less.)
Why don't you look into the airspeed the aircraft hit the towers? According to the author, the speeds where impossible. HOGWASH. Mach's were totally achievable. I'm sure the MMO exceeded, but nothing supersonic or impossible to maintain in a descent for a short period of time.

[rob balsamo]

"i think major airline captains in the nyc area should identify themselves. name, rank, serial #, aircraft qualified to fly, aircraft that have been flown. how many hours.

you know, the whole career schmeer, captain.

especially when such a captain makes this kind of a post. "

PM me. I would be glad to give you plenty of names, and ranks. I don't fancy posting names of pilots from American, Continental, etc, etc. for your whim. It would be pretty disrestpectful. I was based in EWR at the time of the attacks. My old job, flying the E145. I have moved on 6 years ago and now am based in JFK and current. Why don't you ask any airline pilot in NYC. You get to talk to many pilots in this industry. I know plenty of names, rank, etc. Serial #, I have no clue what that refers to. Maybe employee number, which is a number you wouldn't remember but your own. I'm not really sure the total hours I have, but I'm sure its above 9000. (just a guess, and a number I can care less.)
Why don't you look into the airspeed the aircraft hit the towers? According to the author, the speeds where impossible. HOGWASH. Mach's were totally achievable. I'm sure the MMO exceeded, but nothing supersonic or impossible to maintain in a descent for a short period of time.

Welcome to the forum Sennaha.

Perhaps you know one of our Core members? He is Senior to you at JFK.

Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

The rest of our core members you can find here.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

As to the speeds....

Do you feel an aircraft can maintain control and stability at Vmo+150, Va+220 --and pull G's-- out of a 10,000+ foot dive, while rolling on G's cranking into a 38 degree bank, to hit a target with less than a 25' margin for error - for a pilot with less experience than one who couldn't control a 172 at 65 knots?

If so, would you be willing to put your name to such a claim?

You'll be the first, as there is a growing list of Aeronautical Engineers, Pilots, Aircraft Accident Investigators, NASA Engineers and even Boeing themselves, who disagree with you.

Really, click it.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

Also, you may want to familiarize yourself with EAS and the purpose for Vmo/Mmo limitations.

Here is a refresher for you. Click.

[sennaha]

Welcome to the forum Sennaha.

Perhaps you know one of our Core members? He is Senior to you at JFK.

Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

The rest of our core members you can find here.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html














As to the speeds....

Do you feel an aircraft can maintain control and stability at Vmo+150, Va+220 --and pull G's-- out of a 10,000+ foot dive, while rolling on G's cranking into a 38 degree bank, to hit a target with less than a 25' margin for error - for a pilot with less experience than one who couldn't control a 172 at 65 knots?

If so, would you be willing to put your name to such a claim?

You'll be the first, as there is a growing list of Aeronautical Engineers, Pilots, Aircraft Accident Investigators, NASA Engineers and even Boeing themselves, who disagree with you.

Really, click it.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

Also, you may want to familiarize yourself with EAS and the purpose for Vmo/Mmo limitations.

Here is a refresher for you. Click.

Please. I was never a sim instructor, but I'm sure you can ask many 121 airline sim instructors to demonstrate the 9/11 attacks in the Level D sim. they instruct in. I can attest to flying in the sim some years back and had some fun after a sim event. 500KTS low fly by over the numbers, right down the runway, less than 50 feet off deck. The sim. would actually be harder because of the lack of dimension and clarity as well. I remember the day 9-11-2001. I remembered thinking even before the second plane hit, how clear it was. One of the clearest days one could ever have. I read you calculated mach 1.19 for a speed of one of the planes. The speed of sound at sea level is approx. 650KTS. How did you get 510KTS = Mach 1.19? (maybe at 30K ft.
You my friend should expland your horizons to more than ONE experienced pilots view.

[rob balsamo]

Please. I was never a sim instructor, but I'm sure you can ask many 121 airline sim instructors to demonstrate the 9/11 attacks in the Level D sim. they instruct in. I can attest to flying in the sim some years back and had some fun after a sim event. 500KTS low fly by over the numbers, right down the runway, less than 50 feet off deck.

Check Airman Dan Govatos Attempts 9/11 Attacks in Simulator


Dan Govatos quals -
Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines
Director of Operations Training at Polar Air
Cargo, and Asst. Chief Pilot for Presidential Air
Manager of Flying for Eastern Airlines
Falcon 900 and a G-200
Check Captain
B737,A300, Da-50, G-200 and C-500
FE, A&P.

Simulator performed by Capt Rusty Aimer
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20969


Capt Rusty Aimer Quals -
United Airlines, Retired
B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings
Command time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)

Capt Ralph Kolstad interview including simulator discussion.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18114

Capt Ralph Kolstad quals...
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines.
20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
Command time in:
- N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77)
- N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11)

With that said, a simulator is a Cockpit trainer. It does not accurately depict aerodynamics outside the aircraft envelope, that is why wind tunnels and flight tests are used to determine such aircraft limitations.

You should ask your Check pilots (more importantly, ask the sim techs) if your sim has crash logic enabled for excessive speeds over Vmo. Many sims do not and the airspeed will just "wrap around" (as described by Capt Kolstad in his interview above). Sims that do have such logic enabled freeze and the visuals go red when exceeding Vmo by a small margin, usually near Vd. I've seen it myself after completing the sim module for the day with time left.

Do you feel someone who was refused to rent a 172 because he couldn't control it at 65 knots could fly your sim with zero time in type at "500KTS low fly by over the numbers, right down the runway, less than 50 feet off deck" ?? If so, are you willing to put your name on such a claim as did the pilots above on their claims?

I remember the day 9-11-2001. I remembered thinking even before the second plane hit, how clear it was. One of the clearest days one could ever have.

I remember it well also. I was based LGA and scheduled for a trip. I am also from Long Island, and know many pilots from/based NYC who disagree with you. Jeff Latas being one of them. They disagree with you because they have analyzed and researched the data. Perhaps you should as well.

I read you calculated mach 1.19 for a speed of one of the planes. The speed of sound at sea level is approx. 650KTS. How did you get 510KTS = Mach 1.19?

EAS. Please view the presentation.

(maybe at 30K ft.

Actually, 22k.

510 knots at sea level produces the same dynamic pressure effects as 1.19M at 22,000 feet. Watch the presentation.

How can you possibly "debunk" an argument you haven't even reviewed?

You my friend should expland your horizons to more than ONE experienced pilots view.

The list of pilots and aviation professionals who understand aerodynamics, EAS, the reason for Vmo/Mmo limitations and control/stability/structural issues is much more than "one" and growing.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

Photos here...
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots

Anytime you wish to answer my questions, feel free. Thanks!

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