Aal77 Fdr Decoder Program, Decodes almost 4 more seconds |

Oct 21 2009, 07:57 AM
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Group: Troll Posts: 255 Joined: 27-December 07 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 2,603 |
I have created a new program to decode AAL77's raw FDR file.
I am making it available for download along with it's source code and some output files from the program. You can read more about it here It decodes almost 4 more seconds of data than what appears at the end of the NTSB CSV file. I welcome suggestions for any more parameters you would like decoded or any other features you would like added. I will also be discussing this on the J.R.E.F. "AA77 FDR Data, Explained" thread as well as here. Warren. mod edit: Although Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not have any reason to believe the above program is offered for any nefarious purpose, we felt the responsibility to add this disclaimer. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not vouch for nor is responsible for any of the data provided above by Warren. Nor can we guarantee his program is free of malicious code. Download at your own risk. This post has been edited by rob balsamo: Oct 22 2009, 05:38 PM |
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Oct 22 2009, 03:40 PM
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im curious to why warren says at other places the last decoded altitude is 4 feet and yet in this thread when you explain to him how its still to high to hit light poles and the pentagon he doesn't bother to mention this yet he is sayin this at other places.
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Oct 22 2009, 04:29 PM
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im curious to why warren says at other places the last decoded altitude is 4 feet and yet in this thread when you explain to him how its still to high to hit light poles and the pentagon he doesn't bother to mention this yet he is sayin this at other places. warren? I assume you mean Randi's kids. I haven't visited Randiland in quite some time as mostly its just a romper room of personal attacks, libel, photoshopped pictures.. etc. But i assume they are putting all their eggs in the Radalt basket and making excuses for Pressure altitude. The last Radar Altitude in Warrens data is 4 feet. This does NOT mean 4 feet above the ground. Radar Altimeters send out a signal straight down from the aircraft that bounces off any object, ground, building, tree.... whatever, and returns to the aircraft giving a read out of your height above that object. Kind of like a Fish-Finder or depth gauge on a boat.. if you will.... The Radar Altitude prior to that is 57 feet. There is a one second interval between the two. Based on speed, thats only 815 feet horizontally. The light poles cover an area up to ~1020 feet from the pentagon. The light poles only get up to 36 feet above ground IIRC? 57' is too high to hit the initial light poles The slope made by the RadAlt is also above the tops of the poles when working backwards from the impact hole. This is why we have to look at Pressure Altitude adjusted to True altitude and correlate for a more precise measurement and placement of the aircraft. Since the Pressure altitude is still too high, the only logical conclusion based on the data is that the Radar Altitude at 4 feet is not measuring the distance to the ground, but some other higher object, perhaps the top of the Pentagon? Now, I'm sure the GL's are hand waiving and making all types of excuses for the higher pressure altitude, such as "altimeter lag", as they did before we decoded the raw file and only had the original CSV file from the NTSB, and therefore only Pressure altitude. But like then, they have no evidence for such lag, just innuendo, theory and speculation while we now have several American and United 757/767 Captains who have actual time in the aircraft reportedly used on 9/11 and have never seen such "lag" in their aircraft not to mention they think the speeds are ridiculous, especially pulling more than 2 G's at more than 130 knots over Vmo in a 757. Warren, you may want to inform Randi's kids to familiarize themselves with a Vg diagram. Randi's kids are probably also reaching at the limits of margins for error in favor of their "impact" theory as well. The FAA allows +/- 75' margin for error on altimeters which pilots check prior to take off. The AA77 FDR altimeter margin was -13 feet at take off. This is the correct margin for error which should be applied as no altimeter "drifts" 62 feet more off True Altitude during a single flight creating the largest margin for error. Not to mention you have to add the 13 feet to AA77 FDR altimeter to get a proper height. In other words, I calculated 174 feet above in the Alt Sim. When adjusting for instrument error, the True altitude is 187. To keep it simple... If the FDR was in the aircraft which flew over the pentagon, the data recorded would look like what Warren has provided. If the FDR was in an aircraft which caused the damage at the Pentagon, the data would not look like what Warren provided and would show a lower Pressure altitude to match the Radar Altitude. Hope this helps Dom, and thanks for asking the question as I'm sure Randiland is in full spin mode with theory and speculation for Pressure altitude. Also, I would like to make one thing clear (and no offense to you Warren as I have no reason to believe you are anything but sincere, but I do feel a responsibility to add this disclaimer), Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not vouch for nor is responsible for any of the data provided above by Warren. Nor can we guarantee his program is free of malicious code. Download at your own risk. |
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Oct 22 2009, 05:15 PM
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Group: Troll Posts: 255 Joined: 27-December 07 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 2,603 |
<snip> No offence taken Rob.Also, I would like to make one thing clear (and no offense to you Warren as I have no reason to believe you are anything but sincere, but I do feel a responsibility to add this disclaimer), Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not vouch for nor is responsible for any of the data provided above by Warren. Nor can we guarantee his program is free of malicious code. Download at your own risk. I also put a disclaimer for the program on my web site. One of the reasons I provide output files is so that people can still look at the results if they feel uncomfortable installing and running the program on their own computers. I also provide the source code so that the results in the output files can be independently verified should people wish to. I welcome suggestions on how independent verification of the results in the output files can be made easier. Warren. |
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Oct 22 2009, 05:35 PM
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wstutt Aal77 Fdr Decoder Program Oct 21 2009, 07:57 AM
dMole Thanks Warren.
I noticed your post on Randi's... Oct 21 2009, 08:58 AM
wstutt QUOTE (dMole @ Oct 26 2009, 01:58 PM) Tha... Oct 21 2009, 04:16 PM
rob balsamo Warren,
At quick glance... Your last 4 seconds do... Oct 21 2009, 09:56 AM
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rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 22 2009, 09:27 AM) Do... Oct 22 2009, 02:47 PM

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rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 22 2009, 04:20 PM) Do... Oct 22 2009, 04:32 PM

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rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 23 2009, 09:06 AM) I ... Oct 23 2009, 12:13 PM

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rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 23 2009, 04:57 PM) Do... Oct 23 2009, 05:56 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 26 2009, 11:04 P... Oct 26 2009, 02:15 PM
rob balsamo Had some time to get this more precise....
For Ra... Oct 21 2009, 03:42 PM

Domenick DiMaggio CIT QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 20 2009, 07:29 P... Oct 22 2009, 05:38 PM
wstutt QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 27 2009, 0... Oct 22 2009, 04:50 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 22 2009, 04:50 PM) I ... Oct 22 2009, 04:54 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 27 2009, 09:54 P... Oct 23 2009, 02:43 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 20 2009, 07:54 P... Oct 24 2009, 11:53 AM
wstutt QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:53 P... Oct 24 2009, 03:40 PM
rob balsamo So i decided to take a gander over at the romper r... Oct 22 2009, 07:10 PM
Domenick DiMaggio CIT bird strikes?
you mean at some point he claimed a... Oct 22 2009, 08:20 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 0... Oct 22 2009, 08:37 PM
Domenick DiMaggio CIT QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 20 2009, 11:37 P... Oct 22 2009, 08:47 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 0... Oct 22 2009, 08:53 PM
rob balsamo This was too good to pass up and gives new meaning... Oct 22 2009, 10:39 PM
rob balsamo I see Mackey has written a long convoluted post ba... Oct 23 2009, 02:40 AM
rob balsamo That works Warren... thanks.. Oct 23 2009, 03:41 AM
wstutt As I thanked apathoid on J.R.E.F., I would also li... Oct 23 2009, 07:59 AM
Aldo Marquis CIT Not to derail the thread here, but I was curious W... Oct 23 2009, 03:32 PM
rob balsamo I took a stroll through Randiland during my mornin... Oct 24 2009, 08:37 AM
Domenick DiMaggio CIT QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 22 2009, 11:37 A... Oct 24 2009, 11:34 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 0... Oct 24 2009, 11:47 AM
rob balsamo Since the minions at Randiland are confused... i... Oct 24 2009, 10:54 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 22 2009, 01:54 P... Oct 24 2009, 11:45 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Oct 24 2009, 11:45 A... Oct 24 2009, 11:55 AM
rob balsamo Looks like our good friend Mackey finally decided ... Oct 24 2009, 06:01 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 24 2009, 06:01 P... Oct 24 2009, 10:54 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 24 2009, 09:54 P... Oct 26 2009, 05:09 PM
rob balsamo DME 1 and 2 Distance is supposed to be updated eve... Oct 26 2009, 03:50 PM
rob balsamo I understand some are attempting to argue Pressure... Oct 28 2009, 11:15 PM
Turbofan I've finally had a chance to catch up on the l... Oct 29 2009, 10:56 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Turbofan @ Oct 29 2009, 10:56 AM) ... Oct 29 2009, 01:25 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 3 2009, 06:25 PM... Oct 31 2009, 04:33 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 31 2009, 04:33 PM) Pe... Oct 31 2009, 04:59 PM
painter Yeah. I'd like to see this data independently ... Oct 29 2009, 02:29 PM
Turbofan QUOTE I just looked up the long accelerations... A... Oct 29 2009, 05:28 PM
wstutt I now have version 1.1 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava... Nov 4 2009, 10:29 AM
wstutt I now have version 1.2 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava... Nov 19 2009, 08:04 AM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
Thanks for posting the new csv file of... Nov 20 2009, 02:37 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 25 2009, 07... Nov 20 2009, 06:04 PM
wstutt I now have version 1.3 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava... Nov 23 2009, 06:56 AM
wstutt I now have version 1.4 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava... Nov 26 2009, 10:09 AM
rob balsamo Thanks Warren...
I see that the roll data still d... Nov 27 2009, 05:46 AM
tezzajw QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 27 2009, 07:46 P... Nov 27 2009, 08:10 AM

tnemelckram QUOTE (tezzajw @ Nov 27 2009, 07:10 AM) O... Nov 27 2009, 09:03 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 2 2009, 09... Nov 28 2009, 08:53 AM
Turbofan No, you both have it wrong! Hani used his box... Nov 27 2009, 10:28 AM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
Yes, I agree, positive roll means righ... Nov 28 2009, 10:36 AM
wstutt Thanks Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 3 2009,... Nov 28 2009, 07:45 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Nov 28 2009, 06:45 PM) (1... Nov 28 2009, 08:14 PM
tnemelckram Hi WStutt!
Many thanks for all your work. Yo... Nov 28 2009, 08:27 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Nov 28 2009, 07:27 P... Nov 28 2009, 08:43 PM

tnemelckram Hi Rob!
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 28 2009... Nov 28 2009, 09:03 PM
wstutt QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Dec 4 2009, 12:27 AM... Nov 29 2009, 07:28 AM
rob balsamo Alright, there is something very strange with thos... Nov 28 2009, 09:18 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 4 2009, 01:18 AM... Nov 29 2009, 05:45 AM
tezzajw How can a plane land and be serviced at airports t... Nov 29 2009, 02:14 AM
rob balsamo Thanks for the explanation Warren.
I had a feelin... Nov 29 2009, 06:42 AM
Turbofan Just to clarify:
If the door latch was broken, or... Nov 29 2009, 09:46 AM
tnemelckram Hi All!
After reviewing the Posts after the o... Nov 29 2009, 12:30 PM
tnemelckram Hi All!
Thank you very much Warren! He g... Dec 1 2009, 06:25 AM
Jefferson I just looked at places on google maps where ... Dec 2 2009, 12:45 PM
wstutt QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 7 2009, 04:45 PM) ... Dec 2 2009, 05:05 PM
painter Jefferson, you can't just copy and paste trunc... Dec 2 2009, 01:00 PM
rob balsamo Warren, can you please decode these parameters to ... Dec 2 2009, 05:12 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 7 2009, 09:12 PM... Dec 3 2009, 08:30 AM
Jefferson QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 2 2009, 09:05 PM) It ... Dec 2 2009, 05:29 PM
tnemelckram Hi Jefferson and All!
The erratic INS positio... Dec 2 2009, 06:36 PM
Jefferson QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Dec 2 2009, 10:36 PM... Dec 2 2009, 08:40 PM
wstutt I now have version 1.4.1 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder a... Dec 10 2009, 02:07 AM
wstutt I now have a AAL77 FDR Decompressor program availa... Dec 12 2009, 09:24 AM
JFK QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 12 2009, 08:24 AM) I ... Dec 12 2009, 10:39 AM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Dec 17 2009, 03:39 ... Dec 12 2009, 06:53 PM
JFK QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 12 2009, 05:53 PM) Hi... Dec 12 2009, 07:15 PM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Dec 17 2009, 11:15 ... Dec 13 2009, 07:29 PM
tnemelckram QUOTE I for one DO appreciate the time you have sp... Dec 13 2009, 03:21 AM
JFK Thank you Warren, You show the traits of a real ( ... Dec 13 2009, 08:55 PM
JFK Warren, is it possible for you to add a few more p... Dec 15 2009, 12:14 AM
wstutt QUOTE (JFK @ Dec 20 2009, 04:14 AM) Warre... Dec 17 2009, 03:39 AM
JFK Thanks for your reply Warren... I have been ... Dec 28 2009, 03:24 AM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 2 2010, 08:24 A... Dec 29 2009, 02:38 AM
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