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Aal77 Fdr Decoder Program, Decodes almost 4 more seconds

wstutt
post Oct 21 2009, 07:57 AM
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I have created a new program to decode AAL77's raw FDR file.

I am making it available for download along with it's source code and some output files from the program.

You can read more about it here

It decodes almost 4 more seconds of data than what appears at the end of the NTSB CSV file.

I welcome suggestions for any more parameters you would like decoded or any other features you would like added.

I will also be discussing this on the J.R.E.F. "AA77 FDR Data, Explained" thread as well as here.

Warren.

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im curious to why warren says at other places the last decoded altitude is 4 feet and yet in this thread when you explain to him how its still to high to hit light poles and the pentagon he doesn't bother to mention this yet he is sayin this at other places.

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post Oct 22 2009, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 03:40 PM) *
im curious to why warren says at other places the last decoded altitude is 4 feet and yet in this thread when you explain to him how its still to high to hit light poles and the pentagon he doesn't bother to mention this yet he is sayin this at other places.

warren?


I assume you mean Randi's kids. I haven't visited Randiland in quite some time as mostly its just a romper room of personal attacks, libel, photoshopped pictures.. etc.

But i assume they are putting all their eggs in the Radalt basket and making excuses for Pressure altitude.

The last Radar Altitude in Warrens data is 4 feet. This does NOT mean 4 feet above the ground. Radar Altimeters send out a signal straight down from the aircraft that bounces off any object, ground, building, tree.... whatever, and returns to the aircraft giving a read out of your height above that object. Kind of like a Fish-Finder or depth gauge on a boat.. if you will....

The Radar Altitude prior to that is 57 feet. There is a one second interval between the two. Based on speed, thats only 815 feet horizontally. The light poles cover an area up to ~1020 feet from the pentagon. The light poles only get up to 36 feet above ground IIRC? 57' is too high to hit the initial light poles The slope made by the RadAlt is also above the tops of the poles when working backwards from the impact hole.

This is why we have to look at Pressure Altitude adjusted to True altitude and correlate for a more precise measurement and placement of the aircraft. Since the Pressure altitude is still too high, the only logical conclusion based on the data is that the Radar Altitude at 4 feet is not measuring the distance to the ground, but some other higher object, perhaps the top of the Pentagon?

Now, I'm sure the GL's are hand waiving and making all types of excuses for the higher pressure altitude, such as "altimeter lag", as they did before we decoded the raw file and only had the original CSV file from the NTSB, and therefore only Pressure altitude. But like then, they have no evidence for such lag, just innuendo, theory and speculation while we now have several American and United 757/767 Captains who have actual time in the aircraft reportedly used on 9/11 and have never seen such "lag" in their aircraft not to mention they think the speeds are ridiculous, especially pulling more than 2 G's at more than 130 knots over Vmo in a 757. Warren, you may want to inform Randi's kids to familiarize themselves with a Vg diagram.

Randi's kids are probably also reaching at the limits of margins for error in favor of their "impact" theory as well. The FAA allows +/- 75' margin for error on altimeters which pilots check prior to take off. The AA77 FDR altimeter margin was -13 feet at take off. This is the correct margin for error which should be applied as no altimeter "drifts" 62 feet more off True Altitude during a single flight creating the largest margin for error. Not to mention you have to add the 13 feet to AA77 FDR altimeter to get a proper height. In other words, I calculated 174 feet above in the Alt Sim. When adjusting for instrument error, the True altitude is 187.

To keep it simple...

If the FDR was in the aircraft which flew over the pentagon, the data recorded would look like what Warren has provided.

If the FDR was in an aircraft which caused the damage at the Pentagon, the data would not look like what Warren provided and would show a lower Pressure altitude to match the Radar Altitude.

Hope this helps Dom, and thanks for asking the question as I'm sure Randiland is in full spin mode with theory and speculation for Pressure altitude.

Also, I would like to make one thing clear (and no offense to you Warren as I have no reason to believe you are anything but sincere, but I do feel a responsibility to add this disclaimer),

Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not vouch for nor is responsible for any of the data provided above by Warren. Nor can we guarantee his program is free of malicious code. Download at your own risk.
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 20 2009, 07:29 PM) *
Hope this helps Dom, and thanks for asking the question as I'm sure Randiland is in full spin mode with theory and speculation for Pressure altitude.


thank you rob that helps a lot! as well all know all too well how randi's kids operate.


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It's true that I said on J.R.E.F. that the last decoded radio height is 4 feet. That is the last radio height in the decode and appears in the output files on my web site, look at this .csv file if you are interested. That is all that I claimed.

Whether the radio heights and pressure altitudes in the decode are consistent with the aircraft hitting the light poles and the Pentagon is another matter.


thank you for clarifying warren. you should mention that to others who are running with this 4 feet "ball" thinking they just scored a touchdown.

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- wstutt   Aal77 Fdr Decoder Program   Oct 21 2009, 07:57 AM
- - dMole   Thanks Warren. I noticed your post on Randi's...   Oct 21 2009, 08:58 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (dMole @ Oct 26 2009, 01:58 PM) Tha...   Oct 21 2009, 04:16 PM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, At quick glance... Your last 4 seconds do...   Oct 21 2009, 09:56 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 21 2009, 09:56 A...   Oct 21 2009, 10:36 AM
||- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 26 2009, 03:36 P...   Oct 21 2009, 05:30 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 26 2009, 02:56 P...   Oct 21 2009, 05:25 PM
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|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 26 2009, 11:04 P...   Oct 22 2009, 09:27 AM
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|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 26 2009, 11:04 P...   Oct 26 2009, 02:15 PM
- - rob balsamo   Had some time to get this more precise.... For Ra...   Oct 21 2009, 03:42 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   im curious to why warren says at other places the ...   Oct 22 2009, 03:40 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 0...   Oct 22 2009, 04:29 PM
||- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 27 2009, 09:29 P...   Oct 22 2009, 05:15 PM
|||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 22 2009, 05:15 PM) No...   Oct 22 2009, 05:35 PM
||- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 20 2009, 07:29 P...   Oct 22 2009, 05:38 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 27 2009, 0...   Oct 22 2009, 04:50 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 22 2009, 04:50 PM) I ...   Oct 22 2009, 04:54 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 27 2009, 09:54 P...   Oct 23 2009, 02:43 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 20 2009, 07:54 P...   Oct 24 2009, 11:53 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:53 P...   Oct 24 2009, 03:40 PM
- - rob balsamo   So i decided to take a gander over at the romper r...   Oct 22 2009, 07:10 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   bird strikes? you mean at some point he claimed a...   Oct 22 2009, 08:20 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 0...   Oct 22 2009, 08:37 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 20 2009, 11:37 P...   Oct 22 2009, 08:47 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 0...   Oct 22 2009, 08:53 PM
- - rob balsamo   This was too good to pass up and gives new meaning...   Oct 22 2009, 10:39 PM
- - rob balsamo   I see Mackey has written a long convoluted post ba...   Oct 23 2009, 02:40 AM
- - rob balsamo   That works Warren... thanks..   Oct 23 2009, 03:41 AM
- - wstutt   As I thanked apathoid on J.R.E.F., I would also li...   Oct 23 2009, 07:59 AM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   Not to derail the thread here, but I was curious W...   Oct 23 2009, 03:32 PM
- - rob balsamo   I took a stroll through Randiland during my mornin...   Oct 24 2009, 08:37 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 22 2009, 11:37 A...   Oct 24 2009, 11:34 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 22 2009, 0...   Oct 24 2009, 11:47 AM
- - rob balsamo   Since the minions at Randiland are confused... i...   Oct 24 2009, 10:54 AM
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- - rob balsamo   Looks like our good friend Mackey finally decided ...   Oct 24 2009, 06:01 PM
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- - rob balsamo   I understand some are attempting to argue Pressure...   Oct 28 2009, 11:15 PM
- - Turbofan   I've finally had a chance to catch up on the l...   Oct 29 2009, 10:56 AM
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|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 3 2009, 06:25 PM...   Oct 31 2009, 04:33 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Oct 31 2009, 04:33 PM) Pe...   Oct 31 2009, 04:59 PM
- - painter   Yeah. I'd like to see this data independently ...   Oct 29 2009, 02:29 PM
- - Turbofan   QUOTE I just looked up the long accelerations... A...   Oct 29 2009, 05:28 PM
- - wstutt   I now have version 1.1 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava...   Nov 4 2009, 10:29 AM
- - wstutt   I now have version 1.2 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava...   Nov 19 2009, 08:04 AM
- - rob balsamo   Hi Warren, Thanks for posting the new csv file of...   Nov 20 2009, 02:37 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 25 2009, 07...   Nov 20 2009, 06:04 PM
- - wstutt   I now have version 1.3 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava...   Nov 23 2009, 06:56 AM
|- - wstutt   I now have version 1.4 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder ava...   Nov 26 2009, 10:09 AM
- - rob balsamo   Thanks Warren... I see that the roll data still d...   Nov 27 2009, 05:46 AM
|- - tezzajw   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 27 2009, 07:46 P...   Nov 27 2009, 08:10 AM
||- - tnemelckram   QUOTE (tezzajw @ Nov 27 2009, 07:10 AM) O...   Nov 27 2009, 09:03 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 2 2009, 09...   Nov 28 2009, 08:53 AM
- - Turbofan   No, you both have it wrong! Hani used his box...   Nov 27 2009, 10:28 AM
- - rob balsamo   Hi Warren, Yes, I agree, positive roll means righ...   Nov 28 2009, 10:36 AM
|- - wstutt   Thanks Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 3 2009,...   Nov 28 2009, 07:45 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Nov 28 2009, 06:45 PM) (1...   Nov 28 2009, 08:14 PM
- - tnemelckram   Hi WStutt! Many thanks for all your work. Yo...   Nov 28 2009, 08:27 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Nov 28 2009, 07:27 P...   Nov 28 2009, 08:43 PM
||- - tnemelckram   Hi Rob! QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 28 2009...   Nov 28 2009, 09:03 PM
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- - rob balsamo   Alright, there is something very strange with thos...   Nov 28 2009, 09:18 PM
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- - tezzajw   How can a plane land and be serviced at airports t...   Nov 29 2009, 02:14 AM
- - rob balsamo   Thanks for the explanation Warren. I had a feelin...   Nov 29 2009, 06:42 AM
- - Turbofan   Just to clarify: If the door latch was broken, or...   Nov 29 2009, 09:46 AM
- - tnemelckram   Hi All! After reviewing the Posts after the o...   Nov 29 2009, 12:30 PM
- - tnemelckram   Hi All! Thank you very much Warren! He g...   Dec 1 2009, 06:25 AM
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- - wstutt   I now have version 1.4.1 of my AAL77 FDR Decoder a...   Dec 10 2009, 02:07 AM
- - wstutt   I now have a AAL77 FDR Decompressor program availa...   Dec 12 2009, 09:24 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 12 2009, 08:24 AM) I ...   Dec 12 2009, 10:39 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi JFK, QUOTE (JFK @ Dec 17 2009, 03:39 ...   Dec 12 2009, 06:53 PM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 12 2009, 05:53 PM) Hi...   Dec 12 2009, 07:15 PM
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|- - wstutt   QUOTE (JFK @ Dec 20 2009, 04:14 AM) Warre...   Dec 17 2009, 03:39 AM
- - JFK   Thanks for your reply Warren... I have been ...   Dec 28 2009, 03:24 AM
- - wstutt   Hi JFK, QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 2 2010, 08:24 A...   Dec 29 2009, 02:38 AM
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