Roosevelt Roberts Interview, Is this turn possible? |

Nov 4 2009, 10:24 AM
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It's easier to put the disjointed pieces together by reading the transcript. Leaving out all the um's and searching for the right words, it breaks down like this:
Roosevelt: coming from the 27 side heading east towards DC . . . it looked like it went over on the mall entrance side and turned around . . . . the plane . . . was facing west, so it went. . . southwest away from the Pentagon. . . around the lane one area, and it was like banking just above the light poles like. It was heading . . .back across 27. . . and it looks like . . . that plane was heading . . . southwest. http://www.atsadgrab.com/forum/thread382628/pg1 The purple-ish path is what Roosevelt surmised from what he saw - the plane flying away to the south-west. The red path combines what the north path witnesses saw and what Roosevelt saw. The radius is about 330 feet. (?) It's unlikely that Hani chickened out at the last second so let's assume somebody in the E4B was "flying" the 757 [or 737]. Assuming no pilot, can a 757 or 737 handle the g-forces to make that turn at a speed sufficient to stay in the air while making that turn? (IMG:http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8973/rrflightpaths80.jpg) This post has been edited by chris sarns: Nov 4 2009, 10:30 AM |
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Nov 4 2009, 06:31 PM
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Flying into south parking it would have been going south and then after making its u-turn to the mall entrance side would make it west. That could very well be what he meant by "south-west".
Regardless, the only plane it could be is the flyover plane. Either that or the C-130 and I called him back and confirmed the hell out what he saw, even informing him of the presence of the C-130 with propellors a few minutes after the explosion. He was sure that was not what he saw. So I don't know what your purpose, nor do I understand where you get off trying to discredit witnesses that prove a flyover but debunk your silly and completely impossible NoC+impact theory. You may as well go after the north side flight path witnesses also, because guess what? They certainly prove the plane did not hit the building, as much as you want it to hit for some strange reason. |
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chris sarns Roosevelt Roberts Interview Nov 4 2009, 10:24 AM
Craig Ranke CIT Your interpretation is not what he is describing. ... Nov 4 2009, 02:08 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 01:0... Nov 4 2009, 02:35 PM
chris sarns Rob,
Thank you for your reply. You answered my qu... Nov 4 2009, 04:02 PM
Craig Ranke CIT You see we have no problem acknowledging that ALL ... Nov 4 2009, 02:31 PM
Craig Ranke CIT You are wrong Sarns.
He said it flew to the Mall ... Nov 4 2009, 04:29 PM
chris sarns There was a problem with communication. When Aldo ... Nov 4 2009, 05:45 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 4 2009, 09:45 PM... Nov 4 2009, 06:02 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 09:0... Nov 4 2009, 06:27 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 4 2009, 10:27 PM... Nov 4 2009, 06:32 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 4 2009, 10:27 PM... Nov 4 2009, 06:59 PM
rob balsamo Landmarks trump cardinal direction every time when... Nov 4 2009, 04:40 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 2 2009, 07:40 PM... Nov 4 2009, 08:07 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 12:07 AM... Nov 4 2009, 08:39 PM
Craig Ranke CIT Furthermore route 27 runs north alongside north pa... Nov 4 2009, 06:05 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 10... Nov 4 2009, 06:46 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 09... Nov 4 2009, 07:03 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 12:03 AM... Nov 4 2009, 07:28 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 10... Nov 4 2009, 10:12 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 03:12 AM... Nov 4 2009, 10:35 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT No no no, I get it.
CIT comes up with hard eviden... Nov 4 2009, 06:40 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 09... Nov 4 2009, 07:14 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 4 2009, 11:14 PM... Nov 4 2009, 07:17 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 12:14 AM... Nov 4 2009, 07:29 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 11... Nov 4 2009, 07:50 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 06:5... Nov 4 2009, 10:41 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 5 2009, 03:41 AM... Nov 4 2009, 10:50 PM
chris sarns This is yesterdays news. I scrapped that idea. I r... Nov 5 2009, 03:46 AM
Ligon QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 02:46 AM... Nov 5 2009, 01:33 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 08:46 AM... Nov 5 2009, 01:40 PM
painter QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 4 2009, 11:46 PM... Nov 5 2009, 02:30 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (painter @ Nov 3 2009, 04:30 PM) Th... Nov 5 2009, 06:03 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 10:03 PM... Nov 5 2009, 06:47 PM
chris sarns QUOTE There may be nothing about the north path th... Nov 5 2009, 08:17 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 12:17 AM... Nov 5 2009, 11:15 PM
Craig Ranke CIT Sarns you've got nothing.
You've got ZERO... Nov 4 2009, 07:14 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 10:1... Nov 4 2009, 07:28 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 4 2009, 11:28 PM... Nov 4 2009, 07:43 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 09:4... Nov 4 2009, 08:32 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 12:32 AM... Nov 4 2009, 08:44 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 01:32 AM... Nov 4 2009, 09:35 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 5 2009, 02:3... Nov 4 2009, 09:50 PM
Craig Ranke CIT Chris,
Eyewitnesses are fallible.
Not only that ... Nov 4 2009, 10:21 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 3 2009, 12:2... Nov 5 2009, 03:27 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 08:27 AM... Nov 5 2009, 01:30 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT And there you have it, Chris. Thank you so much pa... Nov 5 2009, 03:27 PM
Craig Ranke CIT Only researchers and truly objective scientists re... Nov 5 2009, 05:35 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE You do misrepresent the facts about the Erik... Nov 5 2009, 08:44 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 3 2009, 11... Nov 5 2009, 10:30 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 09:30 PM... Nov 5 2009, 10:58 PM

chris sarns QUOTE You did not ask them what the plane did afte... Nov 6 2009, 02:30 AM

Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 06:30 AM... Nov 6 2009, 03:00 AM


chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 06:0... Nov 6 2009, 03:46 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 01:30 AM... Nov 6 2009, 03:23 AM


Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 6 2009, 07:23 AM... Nov 6 2009, 03:30 AM


chris sarns QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 4 2009, 06:23 AM... Nov 6 2009, 03:42 AM

Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 06:30 AM... Nov 6 2009, 03:35 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 02:30 AM... Nov 5 2009, 11:22 PM
albertchampion CIT....would you please reveal this chris sams... Nov 6 2009, 12:29 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (albertchampion @ Nov 6 2009, 05:29... Nov 6 2009, 01:43 AM

painter QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 5 2009, 09:4... Nov 6 2009, 02:04 AM
chris sarns QUOTE (albertchampion @ Nov 4 2009, 03:29... Nov 6 2009, 05:24 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 10:24 AM... Nov 6 2009, 10:54 AM
painter I'm of the opinion that this board should not ... Nov 6 2009, 02:00 AM
albertchampion thnx for your response. Nov 6 2009, 02:28 AM
Craig Ranke CIT Psssst....Sarns.....ALL of the north side witnesse... Nov 6 2009, 02:40 AM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 05:4... Nov 6 2009, 03:34 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 07:34 AM... Nov 6 2009, 03:40 AM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 06:4... Nov 6 2009, 04:00 AM
Craig Ranke CIT Isn't it amazing how this Sarns guy has been p... Nov 6 2009, 02:48 AM
Skeptik [quote name='chris sarns' date='Nov 5 ... Nov 6 2009, 07:34 AM
chris sarns QUOTE (Skeptik @ Nov 4 2009, 09:34 AM) ... Nov 6 2009, 09:28 AM
Craig Ranke CIT It is physically impossible for a plane on the nor... Nov 6 2009, 10:48 AM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 01:4... Nov 6 2009, 11:47 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 03:47 PM... Nov 6 2009, 01:40 PM
Craig Ranke CIT For the record.....immediately after Sarns' th... Nov 6 2009, 11:15 AM
Sanders Isn't the official account very specific, from... Nov 6 2009, 12:22 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (Sanders @ Nov 6 2009, 04:22 PM) Is... Nov 6 2009, 01:02 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Sanders @ Nov 4 2009, 03:22 PM) Is... Nov 6 2009, 01:19 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT And so, this 757 landing gear...
And this 757 w... Nov 6 2009, 03:13 PM
Craig Ranke CIT Aldo since he agrees with the witnesses regarding ... Nov 6 2009, 03:32 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT Well the problem he runs into is why would you pla... Nov 6 2009, 03:41 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 6 2009, 07... Nov 6 2009, 03:53 PM
chris sarns Subject shift noted.
How can you use government ev... Nov 6 2009, 04:18 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 6 2009, 08:18 PM... Nov 6 2009, 04:26 PM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 07:2... Nov 6 2009, 09:59 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 7 2009, 02:59 AM... Nov 7 2009, 01:58 AM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 5 2009, 03:5... Nov 7 2009, 03:43 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 7 2009, 08:43 AM... Nov 7 2009, 02:16 PM
chris sarns You did not address the point which is: The plane ... Nov 7 2009, 10:08 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 8 2009, 03:08 AM... Nov 7 2009, 10:51 PM
chris sarns From the OpEd article:
"The eyewitnesses in ... Nov 7 2009, 10:54 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 8 2009, 02:54 AM... Nov 8 2009, 02:21 AM
chris sarns QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 6 2009, 04:2... Nov 8 2009, 02:56 AM
painter QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 7 2009, 10:56 PM... Nov 8 2009, 01:14 PM
chris sarns You seem to think it's up to me to prove the p... Nov 8 2009, 09:20 PM
painter QUOTE (painter @ Nov 8 2009, 09:14 AM) Wh... Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM
chris sarns ETC:
You keep asking me for evidence that the plan... Nov 9 2009, 01:29 AM
StefanS This conversation is a little comedic.
You seem t... Nov 9 2009, 01:39 PM
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