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Roosevelt Roberts Interview, Is this turn possible?

chris sarns
post Nov 4 2009, 10:24 AM
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It's easier to put the disjointed pieces together by reading the transcript. Leaving out all the um's and searching for the right words, it breaks down like this:

Roosevelt:
coming from the 27 side heading east towards DC . . . it looked like it went over on the mall entrance side and turned around . . . . the plane . . . was facing west, so it went. . . southwest away from the Pentagon. . . around the lane one area, and it was like banking just above the light poles like. It was heading . . .back across 27. . . and it looks like . . . that plane was heading . . . southwest.

http://www.atsadgrab.com/forum/thread382628/pg1

The purple-ish path is what Roosevelt surmised from what he saw - the plane flying away to the south-west.
The red path combines what the north path witnesses saw and what Roosevelt saw.
The radius is about 330 feet. (?)

It's unlikely that Hani chickened out at the last second so let's assume somebody in the E4B was "flying" the 757 [or 737]. Assuming no pilot, can a 757 or 737 handle the g-forces to make that turn at a speed sufficient to stay in the air while making that turn?

(IMG:http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8973/rrflightpaths80.jpg)

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Aldo Marquis CIT
post Nov 4 2009, 06:40 PM
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No no no, I get it.

CIT comes up with hard evidence proving an inside job, but Chris Sarns, armchair researcher and investigator deems it important to waste valuable time trying to interject HIS theory. HIS opinion.

K now what, Chris? The plane flew on the north side and then magically hit the building (while we ignore the gate cam video and directional damage disproving this nonsense). What are you doing about getting the evidence of the staged poles in front of people?

You've got some nerve going around calling CIT "incompetent" (as I saw you called us on blogger) as you spend countless hours poring over our research and the eyewitness testimony we collected. Research and testimony you would have never had if it weren't for us. Gotta love monday morning quarterbacks coming in to TELL US what really happened as they sit comfortably behind their monitor never setting foot in Arlington or in front of an actual eyewitness.

Let me repeat it...

A plane approaching on the north side of the gas station cannot hit the 5 light poles, show up low and level as seen in the dubious gate cam frames, hit the gen trailer with its right engine, and cause the directional damage leading to the C-ring hole. This is FACT. You can't change this.
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chris sarns
post Nov 4 2009, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 09:40 PM) *
A plane approaching on the north side of the gas station cannot hit the 5 light poles, show up low and level as seen in the dubious gate cam frames, hit the gen trailer with its right engine, and cause the directional damage leading to the C-ring hole. This is FACT.

We agree on those facts.
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Aldo Marquis CIT
post Nov 4 2009, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 12:14 AM) *
We agree on those facts.


You may want to read that again lol. You just admitted you are wrong.
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QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 11:29 PM) *
You may want to read that again lol. You just admitted you are wrong.


His theory is that a "breeze" caused a 737 loaded up with bombs to blow off course to the north side while all the physical damage was staged and the plane blew up and completely disintegrated just prior to impact without causing a crater in the lawn.

I kid you not.

THAT is the result of his arm chair research and justification for publicly accusing us of being "fruit loops con-men".
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post Nov 4 2009, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 4 2009, 06:50 PM) *
His theory is that a "breeze" caused a 737 loaded up with bombs to blow off course to the north side while all the physical damage was staged and the plane blew up and completely disintegrated just prior to impact without causing a crater in the lawn.


(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

Chris, you may want to check the weather for that time of the day, the winds were from the opposite direction (Northwest). Unless of course you feel there was some huge wind machine from the south turned on just as a 737 passed Morin, and then turned off once near the Pentagon?

See top of our Pentagon page for Current Weather at DCA (METAR) and for decode link.

METAR KDCA 111251Z 35005KT 10SM CLR 21/14 A3021
SPECI KDCA 111341Z 33010KT 10SM CLR 23/14 A3022
METAR KDCA 111351Z 34009KT 10SM CLR 23/14 A3023
METAR KDCA 111451Z 32008KT 4SM HZ CLR 24/14 A3022
METAR KDCA 111551Z 33009G15KT 7SM CLR 26/14 A3021

I bolded the above relevant portion. Winds were from 330 degrees at 10 knots.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon
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- chris sarns   Roosevelt Roberts Interview   Nov 4 2009, 10:24 AM
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|- - chris sarns   Rob, Thank you for your reply. You answered my qu...   Nov 4 2009, 04:02 PM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   You see we have no problem acknowledging that ALL ...   Nov 4 2009, 02:31 PM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   You are wrong Sarns. He said it flew to the Mall ...   Nov 4 2009, 04:29 PM
|- - chris sarns   There was a problem with communication. When Aldo ...   Nov 4 2009, 05:45 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 4 2009, 09:45 PM...   Nov 4 2009, 06:02 PM
|- - chris sarns   QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 2 2009, 09:0...   Nov 4 2009, 06:27 PM
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- - rob balsamo   Landmarks trump cardinal direction every time when...   Nov 4 2009, 04:40 PM
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|- - Aldo Marquis CIT   QUOTE (chris sarns @ Nov 5 2009, 12:07 AM...   Nov 4 2009, 08:39 PM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   Furthermore route 27 runs north alongside north pa...   Nov 4 2009, 06:05 PM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   Flying into south parking it would have been going...   Nov 4 2009, 06:31 PM
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