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9/11: Pentagon Aircraft Hijack Impossible, FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT

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rob balsamo
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9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT

(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However, according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list.

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[1] Hijacker Timeline - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17

[2] Common Strategy Prior to 9/11/2001 - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

[3] Right click and save target as here to download csv file with "FLT DECK DOOR" parameter.
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Jupiter
post Nov 28 2009, 09:02 PM
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The FLT DECK OPEN parameter was not added to the FDR frame (757-3 A2) until 1997. The plane was manufactured in 1991 using an earler frame structure which did not include the parameter, so a binary 0 for an unused data block.


This claim is wrong because actually all the FDR system has been updated before 08/18/2001...

According to http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagaz...nly/s01txt.html

Airplanes manufactured before October 11, 1991, without an FDAU or DFDAU as of July 16, 1996.
Airplanes manufactured before October 11, 1991, with an FDAU or DFDAU as of July 16, 1996.
Airplanes manufactured after October 11, 1991, after August 18, 2000, and after August 18, 2002.

AIRPLANES MANUFACTURED PRIOR TO OCTOBER 11, 1991, WITHOUT AN FDAU OR DFDAU INSTALLED AS OF JULY 16, 1996.
The new rule requires that by August 18, 2001 the FDR record at least 18 parameter groups. For most airplanes, this is an increase from 11 parameter groups, as described in "Effects of 1989 FAA Flight Data Recorder Rule Change" on page 32.

The new rule requires that by four years from date of rule at least 22 parameter groups be recorded by the FDR. In this group are Boeing models 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, DC-10, and MD-80.

Flight 77 = N644AA 2460

Certificate Issue Date 05/08/1991

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NN...Numbertxt=644AA

N644AA = AIRPLANES MANUFACTURED PRIOR TO OCTOBER 11, 1991

So N644AA has been updated before August 18, 2001

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QUOTE (Jupiter @ Nov 29 2009, 03:02 AM) *
This claim is wrong because actually all the FDR system has been updated before 08/18/2001...

According to http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagaz...nly/s01txt.html

Airplanes manufactured before October 11, 1991, without an FDAU or DFDAU as of July 16, 1996.
Airplanes manufactured before October 11, 1991, with an FDAU or DFDAU as of July 16, 1996.
Airplanes manufactured after October 11, 1991, after August 18, 2000, and after August 18, 2002.

AIRPLANES MANUFACTURED PRIOR TO OCTOBER 11, 1991, WITHOUT AN FDAU OR DFDAU INSTALLED AS OF JULY 16, 1996.
The new rule requires that by August 18, 2001 the FDR record at least 18 parameter groups. For most airplanes, this is an increase from 11 parameter groups, as described in "Effects of 1989 FAA Flight Data Recorder Rule Change" on page 32.

The new rule requires that by four years from date of rule at least 22 parameter groups be recorded by the FDR. In this group are Boeing models 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, DC-10, and MD-80.

Flight 77 = N644AA 2460

Certificate Issue Date 05/08/1991

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NN...Numbertxt=644AA

N644AA = AIRPLANES MANUFACTURED PRIOR TO OCTOBER 11, 1991

So N644AA has been updated before August 18, 2001


Excellent post Jupiter.
Thanks very much for the links and info thumbsup.gif

Lie number one exposed already by yourself and Turbofan.
Nice one.
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Nov 28 2009, 10:34 PM) *
Excellent post Jupiter.
Thanks very much for the links and info thumbsup.gif

Lie number one exposed already by yourself and Turbofan.
Nice one.


No problem guys. In France we don't believe in Hanjour the X-men either.

http://forum.reopen911.info/p213605-pilots...-la-cabine.html

I'd like to add something. Is that right that the FLR records the FDD parameter every 4 seconds ? If it is right, I mean, I tried to enter a room within 4 seconds. It's OK. But, to enter a room, to threat two guys, to kick them, to struggle, then to remove them to the back of the plane = Impossible.
So I mean, even if there is no parameter "door open" for the 11 predecent flights, it's possible that the pilots went to WC etc... opening the door within 4 seconds.

And how long does the FDR record ? 25 hours ? 40 hours ? The minimum required is 25 hours since 1997.

25 - 1,3 = 23,7 h
23,7 / 11 = 2,15 h

You could stay in a cockpit for 2,15 h right ?

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QUOTE (Jupiter @ Nov 29 2009, 12:53 PM) *
No problem guys. In France we don't believe in Hanjour the X-men either.

http://forum.reopen911.info/p213605-pilots...-la-cabine.html

I'd like to add something. Is that right that the FLR records the FDD parameter every 4 seconds ? If it is wright, I mean, I tried to enter a room within 4 seconds. It's OK. But, to enter a room, to threat two guys, to kick them, to struggle, then to remove them to the back of the plane = Impossible.
So I mean, even if there is no parameter "door open" for the 11 predecent flights, it's possible that the pilots went to WC etc... opening the door within 4 seconds.

And how long does the FDR record ? 25 hours ? 40 hours ? The minimum required is 25 hours since 1997.

25 - 1,3 = 23,7 h
23,7 / 11 = 2,15 h

You could stay in a cockpit for 2,15 h right ?


Wstutt is looking at the thread now.
Whatīs Farmer talking about Wstutt, please?

Yeah, Jupiter, not only that but Hanjur would have had to enter the cockpit
on the first of those 4 seconds. Itīs impossible.
That is an interesting point you made on the pilots going to the WC.
(Or an air-stewardess entering the cockpit with coffee/refreshments?)
What was the procedure pre 2001 on the opening of this door
for both pilots and staff?
Surely it was a security risk to open this door too often. Or leave it open
for too long.
Or that when it HAD to be opened for whatever reason, it had to be shut
straight away.

Sorry if this has been answered already, but did the doors open outwards
or inwards?

Edit to add:

I have been on COUNTLESS international flights from Spain to Ireland in
recent years due to health/family issues, The flight usually lasts @ 3 hours
and NOT ONCE have I seen the cockpit door opened.
In the last 20 years of flights I have never seen that door opened.
Iīve been searching for staff procedure regarding entering and/or leaving the cockpit
pre 2001 but have yet to find it. Pilots?

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