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Climategate

Sanders
post Nov 29 2009, 04:27 PM
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I notice there I no threads in this sub-forum specifically about the huge scandal that is sweeping the world while being totally ignored in the mainstream media (with the exception of Fox).

Here's a good read ...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/...4-76420732.html

Glenn Harlan Reynolds: Climategate denial foundering on army of Davids
By: Glenn Harlan Reynolds
Sunday Reflections Contributor
November 29, 2009

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Last week a hacker -- or, perhaps more likely, an inside "whistleblower" -- leaked huge amounts of data from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University in Britain. The leaks demonstrated that many "insider" scientists were conspiring to block publication of dissenting views in peer-reviewed journals, while suggesting that there was data-fudging, and deliberate evasion of Freedom Of Information requests, perhaps even including deliberate destruction of data.
Worse still, the computer models themselves appear to be jerry-rigged and deeply flawed. As Declan McCullagh reported on the CBS News website, independent programmers were appalled:
“As the leaked messages, and especially the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file, found their way around technical circles, two things happened: first, programmers unaffiliated with East Anglia started taking a close look at the quality of the CRU's code, and second, they began to feel sympathetic for anyone who had to spend three years (including working weekends) trying to make sense of code that appeared to be undocumented and buggy, while representing the core of CRU's climate model.
“One programmer highlighted the error of relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred. Another debugged the code by pointing out why the output of a calculation that should always generate a positive number was incorrectly generating a negative one. A third concluded: ‘I feel for this guy. He's obviously spent years trying to get data from undocumented and completely messy sources.’
“Programmer-written comments inserted into CRU's Fortran code have drawn fire as well. The file briffa_sep98_d.pro says: ‘Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!’ and ‘APPLY ARTIFICIAL CORRECTION.’ Another, quantify_tsdcal.pro, says: ‘Low pass filtering at century and longer time scales never gets rid of the trend - so eventually I start to scale down the 120-yr low pass time series to mimic the effect of removing/adding longer time scales!’”
None of this inspires confidence. As Megan McArdle noted on the Atlantic Monthly's website: "The IPCC report, which is the most widely relied upon in policy circles, uses this model to estimate the costs of global warming. If those costs are unreliable, then any cost-benefit analysis is totally worthless. Obviously, this also casts their reluctance to conform with FOI requests in a slightly different light.”
Yes, they're acting as if they've got something to hide. But the establishment's response has been to ignore the problem and hope it goes away.
Climate Czar Carol Browner responded: "I'm sticking with the 2,500 scientists. These people have been studying this issue for a very long time and agree this problem is real."
The problem is that the "2,500 scientists" she refers to were relying on data and models that, it now appears, may have been fake. Garbage in, garbage out. Plenty of scientists believed in Piltdown Man, too, for a while.
Big media are downplaying the problem too -- while Declan McCullagh has done great reporting on CBS's website, the network's broadcast coverage has been quite different. Likewise, the New York Times and Washington Post, while covering the matter, have downplayed its significance.
It seems clear that the Obama administration, and the folks in traditional media, think this is a story better ignored.
It won't work. While Big Media folks ignore the story, the alternate media are all over it...
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- Sanders   Climategate   Nov 29 2009, 04:27 PM
- - GroundPounder   sanders, you just want to put a bee in omega's...   Nov 29 2009, 04:56 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 29 2009, 12:56...   Nov 29 2009, 05:05 PM
- - André   "I notice there I no threads in this sub-foru...   Nov 29 2009, 05:00 PM
- - DoYouEverWonder   What scandal? That scientists talk to each other?...   Nov 29 2009, 05:27 PM
- - trimble   QUOTE Climate Czar Carol Browner responded: ...   Nov 29 2009, 05:29 PM
|- - Sanders   QUOTE (trimble @ Dec 3 2009, 04:29 PM) .....   Nov 29 2009, 09:56 PM
- - lunk   The general tone of the emails was suppress and ob...   Nov 29 2009, 05:49 PM
- - trimble   QUOTE I do. And I'm not alone by any means. Su...   Nov 30 2009, 08:47 AM
|- - Sanders   QUOTE (trimble @ Dec 4 2009, 07:47 AM) In...   Nov 30 2009, 01:23 PM
- - GroundPounder   sorry trimble, you may be in the minority....   Nov 30 2009, 09:18 AM
- - lunk   In covering their crime, climate scientists at the...   Nov 30 2009, 12:19 PM
- - GroundPounder   sanders, i do believe trimble is a statist. they t...   Nov 30 2009, 05:53 PM
- - trimble   QUOTE sanders, i do believe trimble is a statist. ...   Nov 30 2009, 07:19 PM
|- - Sanders   QUOTE (trimble @ Dec 4 2009, 06:19 PM) Yo...   Nov 30 2009, 10:14 PM
- - GroundPounder   you haven't convinced me. quite the contrary. ...   Nov 30 2009, 08:12 PM
- - lunk   The have's want to get rid of the have-nots, ...   Nov 30 2009, 10:26 PM
- - André   so·cial·ism: political system of communal ownershi...   Dec 1 2009, 05:22 AM
- - Sanders   Hey Andre. You know me pretty well, we agree on...   Dec 1 2009, 06:10 AM
- - lunk   Central governments have never worked for long. T...   Dec 1 2009, 07:32 AM
- - GroundPounder   QUOTE (Sanders @ Nov 29 2009, 08:10 AM) t...   Dec 1 2009, 07:42 AM
- - lunk   QUOTE Last night the head of the CRU, Professor Ph...   Dec 1 2009, 09:39 PM
- - bill   RE: Climategate   Dec 4 2009, 12:57 PM
- - lunk   Picture this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...   Dec 6 2009, 08:14 PM
- - lunk   David Archibald - Global Warming & Sunspots ex...   Dec 7 2009, 07:19 AM
- - Ricochet   The data sued to come to the conclusion of warming...   Dec 7 2009, 05:11 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Ricochet @ Dec 5 2009, 08:11 PM) T...   Jan 7 2010, 01:12 PM
- - lunk   http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_copen...-an-e...   Dec 19 2009, 01:03 PM
- - lunk   A Climatechange Carol http://www.youtube.com/watc...   Dec 24 2009, 07:25 PM
- - Timothy Osman   Hey Lunk, happy new year. Wow did we dodge a bull...   Jan 7 2010, 02:01 AM
- - lunk   It's below freezing with snow on the ground, w...   Jan 7 2010, 07:33 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 5 2010, 10:33 AM) It...   Jan 7 2010, 12:45 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 7 2010, 08:45 AM...   Jan 7 2010, 05:38 PM
- - Omega892R09   Climategate - Pah! More like VapourGate. Thi...   Jan 7 2010, 12:16 PM
- - Sanders   If one hadn't noticed, it's snowing. Rec...   Jan 7 2010, 03:27 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 5 2010, 05:27 PM) If...   Jan 9 2010, 12:44 PM
- - Rickysa   Just came across this...I'm not too up to date...   Jan 7 2010, 05:44 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (Rickysa @ Jan 7 2010, 01:44 PM) Ju...   Jan 7 2010, 09:02 PM
- - BarryWilliamsmb   Fellow fellows, I have heard you saying stuff and ...   Jan 7 2010, 06:09 PM
- - Timothy Osman   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm W...   Jan 7 2010, 09:23 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 7 2010, 05:23 ...   Jan 8 2010, 12:55 PM
||- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 6 2010, 02:55 PM) ... i...   Jan 9 2010, 12:15 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 5 2010, 11:23 ...   Jan 9 2010, 12:10 PM
- - Timothy Osman   QUOTE Yes, we should move into a spotless period o...   Jan 7 2010, 10:14 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 6 2010, 12:14 ...   Jan 9 2010, 01:08 PM
- - lunk   ...and i thought it only reigned in England.   Jan 8 2010, 09:05 AM
- - lunk   Yes it is winter, and the temperature here has bee...   Jan 9 2010, 02:34 PM
- - maturin42   Whether the man-made climate change danger is real...   Jan 9 2010, 03:22 PM
|- - Timothy Osman   QUOTE (maturin42 @ Jan 9 2010, 07:22 PM) ...   Jan 9 2010, 07:49 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (maturin42 @ Jan 7 2010, 06:22 PM) ...   Jan 10 2010, 12:13 PM
- - Timothy Osman   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 9 2010, 05:10 PM...   Jan 9 2010, 07:30 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 7 2010, 10:30 ...   Jan 10 2010, 01:03 PM
- - lunk   Just from reading through many of the climate-gate...   Jan 10 2010, 04:39 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 8 2010, 07:39 PM) Just ...   Jan 11 2010, 08:54 AM
- - Timothy Osman   Omega you put way too much faith in forecasts, the...   Jan 10 2010, 09:34 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 9 2010, 12:34 ...   Jan 11 2010, 08:53 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 8 2010, 11:34 ...   Jan 11 2010, 11:37 AM
- - Timothy Osman   Here's the dirt on Tim Ball the bastard denial...   Jan 10 2010, 09:56 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 9 2010, 12:56 ...   Jan 11 2010, 08:33 AM
- - GroundPounder   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 9 2010, 11:54 AM...   Jan 11 2010, 09:14 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jan 9 2010, 11:14 ...   Jan 11 2010, 10:45 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jan 9 2010, 11:14 ...   Jan 11 2010, 10:56 AM
- - GroundPounder   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 9 2010, 01:45 PM...   Jan 11 2010, 11:01 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jan 9 2010, 01:01 ...   Jan 11 2010, 11:53 AM
- - lunk   Hoard snowshoes and skin-diving equipment. ...an...   Jan 11 2010, 12:53 PM
- - Timothy Osman   QUOTE There writes a man who clearly has little gr...   Jan 11 2010, 04:25 PM
- - Timothy Osman   I might as well post this here rather than startin...   Jan 11 2010, 11:50 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 10 2010, 02:50...   Jan 12 2010, 08:28 AM
- - Sanders   Ooooh, the world is getting so hot. Excuse me whi...   Jan 12 2010, 04:12 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 10 2010, 06:12 PM) O...   Jan 13 2010, 08:40 AM
|- - Sanders   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 17 2010, 07:40 A...   Jan 13 2010, 12:32 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 13 2010, 08:32 AM) 3...   Jan 13 2010, 01:48 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 11 2010, 03:32 PM) C...   Jan 14 2010, 06:34 PM
|- - Sanders   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 18 2010, 04:34 P...   Jan 15 2010, 01:48 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 13 2010, 03:48 PM) O...   Jan 16 2010, 08:35 AM
|- - Sanders   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 20 2010, 07:35 A...   Jan 16 2010, 11:53 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 14 2010, 02:53 PM) ....   Jan 17 2010, 12:50 PM
- - Timothy Osman   QUOTE I am glad that you brought this one up, but ...   Jan 13 2010, 02:23 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 11 2010, 04:23...   Jan 13 2010, 08:36 AM
- - lunk   Well S. BC has had a sudden warming trend, all th...   Jan 13 2010, 08:53 AM
- - Timothy Osman   QUOTE Now stop being such a chump. Speaking of ch...   Jan 14 2010, 03:25 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 12 2010, 05:25...   Jan 14 2010, 03:54 PM
|- - Sanders   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 18 2010, 02:54 P...   Jan 14 2010, 03:58 PM
- - GroundPounder   funny vid TO!   Jan 14 2010, 09:32 AM
- - Omega892R09   Now back on Climategate, or accurately Vapourgate....   Jan 15 2010, 08:03 AM
- - Sanders   You're way too serious about this, O. Ther...   Jan 17 2010, 02:23 PM
- - lunk   Global Warming Skepticism: The Freedomain Radio I...   Jan 17 2010, 03:02 PM


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