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Nov 29 2009, 04:27 PM
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I notice there I no threads in this sub-forum specifically about the huge scandal that is sweeping the world while being totally ignored in the mainstream media (with the exception of Fox).
Here's a good read ... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/...4-76420732.html Glenn Harlan Reynolds: Climategate denial foundering on army of Davids By: Glenn Harlan Reynolds Sunday Reflections Contributor November 29, 2009 QUOTE Last week a hacker -- or, perhaps more likely, an inside "whistleblower" -- leaked huge amounts of data from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University in Britain. The leaks demonstrated that many "insider" scientists were conspiring to block publication of dissenting views in peer-reviewed journals, while suggesting that there was data-fudging, and deliberate evasion of Freedom Of Information requests, perhaps even including deliberate destruction of data.
Worse still, the computer models themselves appear to be jerry-rigged and deeply flawed. As Declan McCullagh reported on the CBS News website, independent programmers were appalled: “As the leaked messages, and especially the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file, found their way around technical circles, two things happened: first, programmers unaffiliated with East Anglia started taking a close look at the quality of the CRU's code, and second, they began to feel sympathetic for anyone who had to spend three years (including working weekends) trying to make sense of code that appeared to be undocumented and buggy, while representing the core of CRU's climate model. “One programmer highlighted the error of relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred. Another debugged the code by pointing out why the output of a calculation that should always generate a positive number was incorrectly generating a negative one. A third concluded: ‘I feel for this guy. He's obviously spent years trying to get data from undocumented and completely messy sources.’ “Programmer-written comments inserted into CRU's Fortran code have drawn fire as well. The file briffa_sep98_d.pro says: ‘Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!’ and ‘APPLY ARTIFICIAL CORRECTION.’ Another, quantify_tsdcal.pro, says: ‘Low pass filtering at century and longer time scales never gets rid of the trend - so eventually I start to scale down the 120-yr low pass time series to mimic the effect of removing/adding longer time scales!’” None of this inspires confidence. As Megan McArdle noted on the Atlantic Monthly's website: "The IPCC report, which is the most widely relied upon in policy circles, uses this model to estimate the costs of global warming. If those costs are unreliable, then any cost-benefit analysis is totally worthless. Obviously, this also casts their reluctance to conform with FOI requests in a slightly different light.” Yes, they're acting as if they've got something to hide. But the establishment's response has been to ignore the problem and hope it goes away. Climate Czar Carol Browner responded: "I'm sticking with the 2,500 scientists. These people have been studying this issue for a very long time and agree this problem is real." The problem is that the "2,500 scientists" she refers to were relying on data and models that, it now appears, may have been fake. Garbage in, garbage out. Plenty of scientists believed in Piltdown Man, too, for a while. Big media are downplaying the problem too -- while Declan McCullagh has done great reporting on CBS's website, the network's broadcast coverage has been quite different. Likewise, the New York Times and Washington Post, while covering the matter, have downplayed its significance. It seems clear that the Obama administration, and the folks in traditional media, think this is a story better ignored. It won't work. While Big Media folks ignore the story, the alternate media are all over it... |
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Jan 7 2010, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE Yes, we should move into a spotless period on the sun, with short lived, but violent sunspots. Then we should start to see sunspots occurring above, and below, N and S latitude 60, on the poles of the sun. Then the sun will start to shimmer... (it's already pulsing now at an accelerating rate) There is another school of thought that says we might be seing the last of sunspots and that the actual nature of the sunspots themselves are changing. QUOTE Sunspots are cool dark regions on the solar surface with strong magnetic fields. There have been few direct measurements of changes in the physical parameters of sunspots, but here we present a study which shows that sunspots are becoming warmer and have weaker magnetic fields. The number of sunspots visible on the Sun normally shows an 11-year periodicity, and the current sunspot cycle (cycle 23) had a maximum in 2001, and is entering a minimum phase with few sunspots currently visible. Our data show that there are additional changes occurring in sunspots, independent of the sunspot cycle, and these trends suggest that sunspots will disappear completely. Such an event would not be unprecedented, since during a famous episode from 1645-1715, known as the Maunder Minimum, the normal 11-year periodicity vanished and there were virtually no sunspots visible on the solar surface (1). Recent studies of the appearance rate and latitudinal drift of sunspots (2) and of the solar magnetic field (3) predict that the number of sunspots visible in future cycles will be significantly reduced. Finally the occurrence of prolonged periods with no sunspots is important to climate studies, since the Maunder Minimum was shown to correspond with the reduced average global temperatures on the Earth ( http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com...n_sunspots2.pdf We sure do live in interesting times. |
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Sanders Climategate Nov 29 2009, 04:27 PM
GroundPounder sanders, you just want to put a bee in omega's... Nov 29 2009, 04:56 PM
lunk QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 29 2009, 12:56... Nov 29 2009, 05:05 PM
André "I notice there I no threads in this sub-foru... Nov 29 2009, 05:00 PM
DoYouEverWonder What scandal?
That scientists talk to each other?... Nov 29 2009, 05:27 PM
trimble QUOTE Climate Czar Carol Browner responded: ... Nov 29 2009, 05:29 PM
Sanders QUOTE (trimble @ Dec 3 2009, 04:29 PM) ..... Nov 29 2009, 09:56 PM
lunk The general tone of the emails was suppress and ob... Nov 29 2009, 05:49 PM
trimble QUOTE I do. And I'm not alone by any means.
Su... Nov 30 2009, 08:47 AM
Sanders QUOTE (trimble @ Dec 4 2009, 07:47 AM) In... Nov 30 2009, 01:23 PM
GroundPounder sorry trimble, you may be in the minority.... Nov 30 2009, 09:18 AM
lunk In covering their crime, climate scientists at the... Nov 30 2009, 12:19 PM
GroundPounder sanders, i do believe trimble is a statist. they t... Nov 30 2009, 05:53 PM
trimble QUOTE sanders, i do believe trimble is a statist.
... Nov 30 2009, 07:19 PM
Sanders QUOTE (trimble @ Dec 4 2009, 06:19 PM) Yo... Nov 30 2009, 10:14 PM
GroundPounder you haven't convinced me. quite the contrary. ... Nov 30 2009, 08:12 PM
lunk The have's want to get rid of the have-nots,
... Nov 30 2009, 10:26 PM
André so·cial·ism: political system of communal ownershi... Dec 1 2009, 05:22 AM
Sanders Hey Andre. You know me pretty well, we agree on... Dec 1 2009, 06:10 AM
lunk Central governments have never worked for long.
T... Dec 1 2009, 07:32 AM
GroundPounder QUOTE (Sanders @ Nov 29 2009, 08:10 AM) t... Dec 1 2009, 07:42 AM
lunk QUOTE Last night the head of the CRU, Professor Ph... Dec 1 2009, 09:39 PM
bill RE: Climategate Dec 4 2009, 12:57 PM
lunk Picture this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100... Dec 6 2009, 08:14 PM
lunk David Archibald - Global Warming & Sunspots ex... Dec 7 2009, 07:19 AM
Ricochet The data sued to come to the conclusion of warming... Dec 7 2009, 05:11 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Ricochet @ Dec 5 2009, 08:11 PM) T... Jan 7 2010, 01:12 PM
lunk http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_copen...-an-e... Dec 19 2009, 01:03 PM
lunk A Climatechange Carol
http://www.youtube.com/watc... Dec 24 2009, 07:25 PM
Timothy Osman Hey Lunk, happy new year.
Wow did we dodge a bull... Jan 7 2010, 02:01 AM
lunk It's below freezing with snow on the ground, w... Jan 7 2010, 07:33 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 5 2010, 10:33 AM) It... Jan 7 2010, 12:45 PM
lunk QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 7 2010, 08:45 AM... Jan 7 2010, 05:38 PM
Omega892R09 Climategate - Pah!
More like VapourGate.
Thi... Jan 7 2010, 12:16 PM
Sanders If one hadn't noticed, it's snowing. Rec... Jan 7 2010, 03:27 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 5 2010, 05:27 PM) If... Jan 9 2010, 12:44 PM
Rickysa Just came across this...I'm not too up to date... Jan 7 2010, 05:44 PM
lunk QUOTE (Rickysa @ Jan 7 2010, 01:44 PM) Ju... Jan 7 2010, 09:02 PM
BarryWilliamsmb Fellow fellows, I have heard you saying stuff and ... Jan 7 2010, 06:09 PM
Timothy Osman http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm
W... Jan 7 2010, 09:23 PM
lunk QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 7 2010, 05:23 ... Jan 8 2010, 12:55 PM

Omega892R09 QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 6 2010, 02:55 PM) ... i... Jan 9 2010, 12:15 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 5 2010, 11:23 ... Jan 9 2010, 12:10 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 6 2010, 12:14 ... Jan 9 2010, 01:08 PM
lunk ...and i thought it only reigned in England. Jan 8 2010, 09:05 AM
lunk Yes it is winter, and the temperature here has bee... Jan 9 2010, 02:34 PM
maturin42 Whether the man-made climate change danger is real... Jan 9 2010, 03:22 PM
Timothy Osman QUOTE (maturin42 @ Jan 9 2010, 07:22 PM) ... Jan 9 2010, 07:49 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (maturin42 @ Jan 7 2010, 06:22 PM) ... Jan 10 2010, 12:13 PM
Timothy Osman QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 9 2010, 05:10 PM... Jan 9 2010, 07:30 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 7 2010, 10:30 ... Jan 10 2010, 01:03 PM
lunk Just from reading through many of the climate-gate... Jan 10 2010, 04:39 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 8 2010, 07:39 PM) Just ... Jan 11 2010, 08:54 AM
Timothy Osman Omega you put way too much faith in forecasts, the... Jan 10 2010, 09:34 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 9 2010, 12:34 ... Jan 11 2010, 08:53 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 8 2010, 11:34 ... Jan 11 2010, 11:37 AM
Timothy Osman Here's the dirt on Tim Ball the bastard denial... Jan 10 2010, 09:56 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 9 2010, 12:56 ... Jan 11 2010, 08:33 AM
GroundPounder QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 9 2010, 11:54 AM... Jan 11 2010, 09:14 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jan 9 2010, 11:14 ... Jan 11 2010, 10:45 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jan 9 2010, 11:14 ... Jan 11 2010, 10:56 AM
GroundPounder QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 9 2010, 01:45 PM... Jan 11 2010, 11:01 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Jan 9 2010, 01:01 ... Jan 11 2010, 11:53 AM
lunk Hoard snowshoes and skin-diving equipment.
...an... Jan 11 2010, 12:53 PM
Timothy Osman QUOTE There writes a man who clearly has little gr... Jan 11 2010, 04:25 PM
Timothy Osman I might as well post this here rather than startin... Jan 11 2010, 11:50 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 10 2010, 02:50... Jan 12 2010, 08:28 AM
Sanders Ooooh, the world is getting so hot.
Excuse me whi... Jan 12 2010, 04:12 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 10 2010, 06:12 PM) O... Jan 13 2010, 08:40 AM
Sanders QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 17 2010, 07:40 A... Jan 13 2010, 12:32 PM
lunk QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 13 2010, 08:32 AM) 3... Jan 13 2010, 01:48 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 11 2010, 03:32 PM) C... Jan 14 2010, 06:34 PM
Sanders QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 18 2010, 04:34 P... Jan 15 2010, 01:48 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 13 2010, 03:48 PM) O... Jan 16 2010, 08:35 AM
Sanders QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 20 2010, 07:35 A... Jan 16 2010, 11:53 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 14 2010, 02:53 PM) .... Jan 17 2010, 12:50 PM
Timothy Osman QUOTE I am glad that you brought this one up, but ... Jan 13 2010, 02:23 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 11 2010, 04:23... Jan 13 2010, 08:36 AM
lunk Well S. BC has had a sudden warming trend,
all th... Jan 13 2010, 08:53 AM
Timothy Osman QUOTE Now stop being such a chump.
Speaking of ch... Jan 14 2010, 03:25 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Jan 12 2010, 05:25... Jan 14 2010, 03:54 PM
Sanders QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 18 2010, 02:54 P... Jan 14 2010, 03:58 PM
GroundPounder funny vid TO! Jan 14 2010, 09:32 AM
Omega892R09 Now back on Climategate, or accurately Vapourgate.... Jan 15 2010, 08:03 AM
Sanders You're way too serious about this, O.
Ther... Jan 17 2010, 02:23 PM
lunk Global Warming Skepticism:
The Freedomain Radio I... Jan 17 2010, 03:02 PM
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