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Another Question For Warren Stutt, concerning altitude

Craig Ranke CIT
post Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
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Warren Stutt,

You must be aware that people are referencing you to suggest that your findings contradict the statements by P4T that the last reported altitude in the NTSB data shows a value too high to hit the light poles and the building.

Are you willing to set the record straight here and at j.ref by publicly agreeing that your findings in the data concerning altitude CONFIRM the findings of P4T that it shows the plane too high to hit the light poles and the building?
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post Dec 3 2009, 04:09 PM
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I just want to note that I'm very appreciative of Warren's work and his honesty (however much it irks Craig's sensibilities). I'm not qualified to verify anything having to do with the FDR, its decoding or the significance that might be drawn from various parameters (although the 'too fast' and 'too high' to hit the light poles and level off at exactly ground level intuitively seems accurate -- we're not talking about a versatile fighter jet here).

However, what I do feel qualified to assess is the veracity of the eye-witnesses made public by CIT. They can't all be lying or confused about their observations which match in the most profound (NOC approach) way. That several also mention a relatively slow approach and a right bank only underscore the point that THE PLANE THE WITNESSES SAW CAN NOT BE THE SOURCE OF THE FDR FROM WHICH THE DATA BEING ANALYZED CAME. In other words, based on the veracity of these witness accounts, this data is fraudulent. The ONLY value analyzing this data has is to further underscore its fraudulent nature. It is hard evidence of a cover-up by agencies of the US Government of what actually happened at the Pentagon.

What I see repeatedly is the attempt to focus in on this or that almost invariably 'contradictory' detail when what has to be looked at simultaneously is the whole 'gestalt' of 9/11. I've said repeatedly, a commercial airliner crash and impact at the Pentagon ought to be as obvious as a heard of elephants stampeding through a china shop, leaving multiple droppings in their wake. Not something easily covered up. That this is not at all obvious and especially not obvious when the details are investigated and found to be 'contradictory' only makes me all the more certain that what we are dealing with here is a deliberate attempt to confuse and deceive: A genuine conspiracy to defraud the American public and the world. That these multiple 'inner contradictions' are ignored by government, military and the corporate media alike, only further cement my contention that what we're dealing with here has been constrained under the COG umbrella of "matters of national security" which can not be publicly broached except in easily contained and marginalized forums such as this. They (meaning the perpetrators of this crime against humanity) do not care what we find or what we say so long as the prevailing narrative is sustained in the hearts and minds of the (mostly dis-informed and/or apathetic) masses. So long as all this can be kept in the arena of "well, nothing is certain, even experts disagree" there can be no fulcrum upon which to leverage a genuine challenge to the structures of power that have now institutionalized treason, mass murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity (just off the top of my head).

I think this is what is driving Craig's near insistence that Mr. Stutt take a public position on this matter. This isn't a game or a mere puzzle or problem to solve; 9/11 exists as a defining moment in American and, indeed, human history -- the meaning of which is now having and will continue to have a profound impact on all our lives whether we have the eyes to see it as such or not. To not have an opinion about it, especially given ALL the evidence now accumulated, is like choosing to not confront evidence of rape and incest within one's own family. In a very real sense, it enables crimes that are not past tense but on going and, thus, calls into question the moral and ethical fiber of one's being. Certainly caution can be a virtue and should not be cast to the wind but when dealing with matters of such gravity for our human present and future, there comes a point where one must take a stand if for no other reason than the preservation of one's own integrity.

Still, though, the fact is, each of us has to come to this understanding on our own terms. No one can, or should, insist that another adopt a moral or ethical position they are not inwardly ready to embrace. Such things are not trivial and have an impact on one's life well beyond the immediate concern.

My 3¢.
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- Craig Ranke CIT   Another Question For Warren Stutt   Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
- - painter   I would also like to hear Mr. Sutt's answer to...   Dec 3 2009, 02:35 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (painter @ Dec 8 2009, 06:35 AM) I ...   Dec 3 2009, 09:59 AM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 3 2009, 02:59 PM) I r...   Dec 3 2009, 11:39 AM
- - trimble   Very nice, Craig. Someone on the other thread tak...   Dec 3 2009, 06:45 AM
- - rob balsamo   If this value "cannot be relied on", why...   Dec 3 2009, 12:19 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 3 2009, 05:19 PM...   Dec 3 2009, 01:10 PM
- - onesliceshort   the govt loyalist site has not got ther facts stra...   Dec 3 2009, 12:56 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 3 2009, 05:56 ...   Dec 3 2009, 01:04 PM
- - painter   I just want to note that I'm very appreciative...   Dec 3 2009, 04:09 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (painter @ Dec 3 2009, 09:09 PM) I ...   Dec 3 2009, 07:00 PM
- - onesliceshort   I personally had been a lurker here for a long tim...   Dec 3 2009, 11:10 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 9 2009, 04:10 ...   Dec 6 2009, 10:32 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 09:32 AM) Her...   Dec 6 2009, 12:09 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 03:32 PM) I c...   Dec 6 2009, 12:36 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 11 2009, ...   Dec 9 2009, 11:57 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 10 2009, 04:57 AM) Hi...   Dec 13 2009, 11:19 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 19 2009, ...   Dec 14 2009, 07:01 AM
- - rob balsamo   Keep in mind folks, the descent rate from the top ...   Dec 6 2009, 01:05 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 11 2009, 06...   Dec 10 2009, 12:02 AM
- - tnemelckram   QUOTE The official data from the FDR makes the des...   Dec 6 2009, 01:37 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE In other words, a stupid question deserves a...   Dec 6 2009, 08:00 PM
- - rob balsamo   Thanks Warren, but I was basing it on an initial v...   Dec 13 2009, 05:04 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 18 2009, 09...   Dec 13 2009, 08:15 PM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 13 2009, 07:15 PM) I...   Dec 13 2009, 10:01 PM
- - onesliceshort   Hi Warren, Yes I saw that IF there were indeed 4 s...   Dec 14 2009, 05:36 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, What do you think of the following claim:...   Dec 20 2009, 09:19 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM) Hi...   Dec 21 2009, 01:33 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 06...   Dec 21 2009, 06:34 AM
- - rob balsamo   Hi Warren, The limitations which are publicly ava...   Dec 21 2009, 11:40 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 04...   Dec 22 2009, 04:49 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 22 2009, 03:49 PM) Hi...   Dec 22 2009, 06:54 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 27 2009, 11...   Dec 26 2009, 01:48 AM
- - tnemelckram   Hi Warren and Rob! I posted my reading of the...   Dec 22 2009, 06:56 PM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, we're going in circles.... Please read...   Dec 26 2009, 02:40 AM
- - Jefferson   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 13 2009, 09:04 P...   Dec 27 2009, 10:04 PM
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- - Jefferson   "Hi Jefferson, The above calculations were d...   Dec 28 2009, 11:44 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 10:44 PM)...   Dec 29 2009, 12:12 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Jefferson, QUOTE (Jefferson @ Jan 3 2010,...   Dec 31 2009, 09:11 PM
- - Jefferson   I have a thought about altitude. It could be usefu...   Dec 28 2009, 11:59 PM
- - Jefferson   Thankyou rob balsamo. Sorry I think I am not being...   Dec 29 2009, 12:33 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 11:33 PM)...   Dec 29 2009, 12:48 AM
- - Jefferson   "Yes. " Thankyou rob balsamo, that was ...   Dec 29 2009, 08:45 AM
- - wstutt   Hi Rob, Have you read post #4078 by apathoid on t...   Jan 1 2010, 10:18 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 1 2010, 09:18 PM) Hi ...   Jan 1 2010, 10:30 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2010, 02...   Jan 2 2010, 07:46 PM
- - JFK   Here : CODEhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/for...   Jan 2 2010, 08:03 PM
- - rob balsamo   Hi Warren, He made the statement at ATS Forum und...   Jan 2 2010, 09:06 PM
- - wstutt   Hi Rob, I think Tom's point of uncertainty in...   Jan 4 2010, 02:19 AM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, Tom and his minions are now trying to cla...   Jan 4 2010, 02:36 AM
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- - rob balsamo   Warren, Not sure what you did with your calculat...   Jan 4 2010, 11:08 PM
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- - rob balsamo   Warren, since the numbers are so close for True He...   Jan 5 2010, 09:34 AM
- - rob balsamo   Here Warren, This might lift some of the confusio...   Jan 5 2010, 10:37 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 02...   Jan 6 2010, 05:00 AM
- - wstutt   Hi Rob, Where did you get the temperature and pre...   Jan 6 2010, 01:24 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 6 2010, 12:24 AM) Hi ...   Jan 6 2010, 01:33 AM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, You calculated the margin for error in Gr...   Jan 6 2010, 05:13 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 04:13 AM...   Jan 6 2010, 11:03 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 10:03 AM) What I...   Jan 6 2010, 02:29 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 11 2010, 09...   Jan 8 2010, 06:15 AM
- - JFK   Appears being the key word. I just tried cross re...   Jan 6 2010, 04:11 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:11 PM) The we...   Jan 6 2010, 04:21 PM
||- - JFK   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 03:21 PM...   Jan 6 2010, 04:44 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi JFK, QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 11 2010, 08:11 ...   Jan 8 2010, 07:37 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 8 2010, 06:37 AM) Hi ...   Jan 8 2010, 09:18 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi JFK, QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 13 2010, 01:18 ...   Jan 9 2010, 02:04 AM
- - JFK   Just adding.... In the D226A101G.PDF the tolarance...   Jan 6 2010, 04:37 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:37 PM) I did ...   Jan 6 2010, 05:05 PM
- - JFK   Yeah, I understand what it looks like and how it w...   Jan 6 2010, 05:27 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 04:27 PM) Maybe ...   Jan 6 2010, 05:36 PM
- - JFK   Yeah, well normal cruise for a 757 is ~ +2.5°, so ...   Jan 6 2010, 06:47 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 05:47 PM) Yeah, ...   Jan 6 2010, 07:16 PM
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|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 06:56 PM) Well t...   Jan 8 2010, 05:23 AM
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|- - alanj   QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 8 2010, 03:47 AM) I fig...   Jan 7 2010, 03:55 PM
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|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 12:40 P...   Jan 9 2010, 02:00 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 01:00 AM) Can...   Jan 9 2010, 02:38 AM
||- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 14 2010, 06...   Jan 9 2010, 03:53 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 02:53 AM) How...   Jan 9 2010, 04:00 AM
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- - JFK   Sorry Rob, but this has to be said.... If that id...   Jan 8 2010, 10:23 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 09:23 AM) Sorry ...   Jan 8 2010, 10:41 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 02:41 P...   Jan 9 2010, 02:10 AM
- - JFK   Yeah, well Craig and I have also gone head to head...   Jan 8 2010, 11:09 AM
- - rob balsamo   Fair enough.....and i agree. This is why i havent ...   Jan 8 2010, 11:14 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 8 2010, 10:14 AM...   Jan 8 2010, 11:47 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 10:47 AM) ..and ...   Jan 8 2010, 11:54 AM
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|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 04:16 P...   Jan 9 2010, 02:35 AM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 07:35 AM) No ...   Jan 9 2010, 12:14 PM
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- - JFK   In the meantime the old fucked up drunkard come al...   Jan 9 2010, 12:08 AM
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