Another Question For Warren Stutt, concerning altitude |

Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
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Group: Contributor Posts: 1,072 Joined: 15-October 06 Member No.: 75 |
Warren Stutt,
You must be aware that people are referencing you to suggest that your findings contradict the statements by P4T that the last reported altitude in the NTSB data shows a value too high to hit the light poles and the building. Are you willing to set the record straight here and at j.ref by publicly agreeing that your findings in the data concerning altitude CONFIRM the findings of P4T that it shows the plane too high to hit the light poles and the building? |
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Dec 3 2009, 11:10 PM
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Group: Valued Member Posts: 2,052 Joined: 30-January 09 Member No.: 4,095 |
I personally had been a lurker here for a long time. i became disillusioned and impatient with
the progress in the Manhattan attacks while avoiding the Pentagon and Pennsylvania attacks like the plague mainly due to, on hindsight, a very well planned disinfo campaign (missile, no plane, etc) To this day, having combed through his site and watching their video presentations (which are far more useful to a layman like myself), I am still pretty naieve on the technobabble and specifics of aeronautical dataframes, calculations and general language. Warren has been a member since 2007. He (to his credit) admits that he is as naieve as the next person on aviation and has never been a pilot. But one thing he does have in his favour is his grasp on mathematics and data translation and can actually design programs. He, in all likelihood understands Rob and the guys´ translation of the FDR data and its ramifications more than most. He acknowledges that his 4´ altitude frame has no bearing on whether the plane was too high to hit the lightpoles. Those data bits must be burned into his brain by now. Add to that Rob´s help on the data that can only be gleaned from an experienced pilot (surrouded by other aviation experts) and I am pretty sure that Warren has a VERY good idea of the path and manouevres which this data relays. And I´m SURE it does not correspond with the official story/path. He says that he has received help from the govt loyalist site members on ´other issues´. the govt loyalist site has been publically outed on numerous occasions in the form of Farmer and his ilk as being dishonest, manipulative and downright liars in order to confuse and uphold the official line. They have been constantly called out, but hey, it doesn´t matter. They can delete their links, deny and ignore questions and turn the debate to a brand of insults and childish rants that even this hairy arsed man is taken aback by. Anybody questioning the official story to any degree makes an honest mistake at their peril. They clingggg onto inoccuous mistakes like flies round.... Rob´s 11.2 g mistake which he publically and on numerous occasions has admitted BUT rectified. So, I don´t see how these two sites can be seen on an even par for a researcher. You KNOW where professional, untainted advice and pointers can be found. It´s not over there. You MUST know every detail of that plane´s final moments in the basin of land on the west face of the Pentagon. You MUST know having talked to Rob et al that the consequent damage is irreconcilable with it. One thing is to be a ´neutral researcher´ but you must have drawn conclusions by now. I´m a layman on the subject and I already have just by some cursory study on the subject. What I DO know quite a lot about is the only mainly non-biased volume of corraborrative eyewitness testimony that says that the FDR data is fake. I will send you details if you like. I suppose it depends on what you mean by ´researcher´. Into your program and how to perfect it? Or getting to the truth of what happened at the Pentagon that morning? Sorry if this sounds like a ´witchhunt´ but your program has raised tensions (unnecessary ones IMO) and people are genuinely confused as to your real intentions. Don´t be afraid to offend anyone. The truth is the truth. |
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Dec 6 2009, 10:32 AM
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Group: Troll Posts: 255 Joined: 27-December 07 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 2,603 |
<snip> I created that web page and used the term independent researcher to answer the question posed in this post on ATS. I meant I was not an official investigator in any form.I suppose it depends on what you mean by ´researcher´. Into your program and how to perfect it? Or getting to the truth of what happened at the Pentagon that morning? <snip> I intended all my work to be independently verifiable so it would not matter what I thought. I am not aware of any independent verification at this point, although that could well change. I would certainly welcome it. Here's a question for Rob: If an an aircraft like N644AA was flying over level ground with a descent rate the same as calculated from the last pressure altitudes in my decode and at the last true altitude as calculated from the last pressure altitude in my decode for the conditions at the Pentagon on 9/11, would it be able to pull up in time to avoid crashing? Warren. |
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Craig Ranke CIT Another Question For Warren Stutt Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
painter I would also like to hear Mr. Sutt's answer to... Dec 3 2009, 02:35 AM
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Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 3 2009, 05:56 ... Dec 3 2009, 01:04 PM
painter I just want to note that I'm very appreciative... Dec 3 2009, 04:09 PM
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onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 03:32 PM) I c... Dec 6 2009, 12:36 PM
wstutt Hi OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 11 2009, ... Dec 9 2009, 11:57 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 10 2009, 04:57 AM) Hi... Dec 13 2009, 11:19 PM
wstutt Hi OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 19 2009, ... Dec 14 2009, 07:01 AM
rob balsamo Keep in mind folks, the descent rate from the top ... Dec 6 2009, 01:05 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 11 2009, 06... Dec 10 2009, 12:02 AM
tnemelckram QUOTE The official data from the FDR makes the des... Dec 6 2009, 01:37 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE In other words, a stupid question deserves a... Dec 6 2009, 08:00 PM
rob balsamo Thanks Warren, but I was basing it on an initial v... Dec 13 2009, 05:04 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 18 2009, 09... Dec 13 2009, 08:15 PM
JFK QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 13 2009, 07:15 PM) I... Dec 13 2009, 10:01 PM
onesliceshort Hi Warren,
Yes I saw that IF there were indeed 4 s... Dec 14 2009, 05:36 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
What do you think of the following claim:... Dec 20 2009, 09:19 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM) Hi... Dec 21 2009, 01:33 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 06... Dec 21 2009, 06:34 AM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
The limitations which are publicly ava... Dec 21 2009, 11:40 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 04... Dec 22 2009, 04:49 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 22 2009, 03:49 PM) Hi... Dec 22 2009, 06:54 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 27 2009, 11... Dec 26 2009, 01:48 AM
tnemelckram Hi Warren and Rob!
I posted my reading of the... Dec 22 2009, 06:56 PM
rob balsamo Warren, we're going in circles.... Please read... Dec 26 2009, 02:40 AM
Jefferson QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 13 2009, 09:04 P... Dec 27 2009, 10:04 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 27 2009, 09:04 PM)... Dec 28 2009, 09:08 PM
Jefferson "Hi Jefferson,
The above calculations were d... Dec 28 2009, 11:44 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 10:44 PM)... Dec 29 2009, 12:12 AM
wstutt Hi Jefferson,
QUOTE (Jefferson @ Jan 3 2010,... Dec 31 2009, 09:11 PM
Jefferson I have a thought about altitude. It could be usefu... Dec 28 2009, 11:59 PM
Jefferson Thankyou rob balsamo. Sorry I think I am not being... Dec 29 2009, 12:33 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 11:33 PM)... Dec 29 2009, 12:48 AM
Jefferson "Yes. "
Thankyou rob balsamo, that was ... Dec 29 2009, 08:45 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
Have you read post #4078 by apathoid on t... Jan 1 2010, 10:18 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 1 2010, 09:18 PM) Hi ... Jan 1 2010, 10:30 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2010, 02... Jan 2 2010, 07:46 PM
JFK Here :
CODEhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/for... Jan 2 2010, 08:03 PM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
He made the statement at ATS Forum und... Jan 2 2010, 09:06 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
I think Tom's point of uncertainty in... Jan 4 2010, 02:19 AM
rob balsamo Warren,
Tom and his minions are now trying to cla... Jan 4 2010, 02:36 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 9 2010, 06... Jan 4 2010, 10:51 PM
dMole Off-topic meta-"chatter?" split here:
A... Jan 4 2010, 08:16 PM
rob balsamo Warren,
Not sure what you did with your calculat... Jan 4 2010, 11:08 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 03... Jan 5 2010, 09:17 AM
rob balsamo Warren, since the numbers are so close for True He... Jan 5 2010, 09:34 AM
rob balsamo Here Warren,
This might lift some of the confusio... Jan 5 2010, 10:37 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 02... Jan 6 2010, 05:00 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
Where did you get the temperature and pre... Jan 6 2010, 01:24 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 6 2010, 12:24 AM) Hi ... Jan 6 2010, 01:33 AM
rob balsamo Warren,
You calculated the margin for error in Gr... Jan 6 2010, 05:13 AM
JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 04:13 AM... Jan 6 2010, 11:03 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 10:03 AM) What I... Jan 6 2010, 02:29 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 11 2010, 09... Jan 8 2010, 06:15 AM
JFK Appears being the key word.
I just tried cross re... Jan 6 2010, 04:11 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:11 PM) The we... Jan 6 2010, 04:21 PM

JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 03:21 PM... Jan 6 2010, 04:44 PM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 11 2010, 08:11 ... Jan 8 2010, 07:37 AM
JFK QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 8 2010, 06:37 AM) Hi ... Jan 8 2010, 09:18 AM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 13 2010, 01:18 ... Jan 9 2010, 02:04 AM
JFK Just adding.... In the D226A101G.PDF the tolarance... Jan 6 2010, 04:37 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:37 PM) I did ... Jan 6 2010, 05:05 PM
JFK Yeah, I understand what it looks like and how it w... Jan 6 2010, 05:27 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 04:27 PM) Maybe ... Jan 6 2010, 05:36 PM
JFK Yeah, well normal cruise for a 757 is ~ +2.5°, so ... Jan 6 2010, 06:47 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 05:47 PM) Yeah, ... Jan 6 2010, 07:16 PM
JFK Well the limey's call it "normal cruise... Jan 6 2010, 07:56 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 06:56 PM) Well t... Jan 8 2010, 05:23 AM
tomk LMAO,
I figured you kids would find some way to... Jan 7 2010, 11:47 AM
JFK QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 7 2010, 10:47 AM) LMAO,... Jan 7 2010, 01:44 PM
alanj QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 8 2010, 03:47 AM) I fig... Jan 7 2010, 03:55 PM
rob balsamo Warren,
DCA weather values are not precise to the... Jan 8 2010, 08:40 AM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 12:40 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:00 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 01:00 AM) Can... Jan 9 2010, 02:38 AM

wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 14 2010, 06... Jan 9 2010, 03:53 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 02:53 AM) How... Jan 9 2010, 04:00 AM
rob balsamo With respect to +/-6 knots error allowed for TAS a... Jan 9 2010, 04:53 AM
JFK Sorry Rob, but this has to be said....
If that id... Jan 8 2010, 10:23 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 09:23 AM) Sorry ... Jan 8 2010, 10:41 AM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 02:41 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:10 AM
JFK Yeah, well Craig and I have also gone head to head... Jan 8 2010, 11:09 AM
rob balsamo Fair enough.....and i agree. This is why i havent ... Jan 8 2010, 11:14 AM
JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 8 2010, 10:14 AM... Jan 8 2010, 11:47 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 10:47 AM) ..and ... Jan 8 2010, 11:54 AM
JFK From where I sit he appears to be concentrating on... Jan 8 2010, 12:06 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 11:06 AM) From w... Jan 8 2010, 12:16 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 04:16 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:35 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 07:35 AM) No ... Jan 9 2010, 12:14 PM
JFK As clear as the various DFL's.
- respectfully... Jan 8 2010, 12:57 PM
JFK In the meantime the old fucked up drunkard come al... Jan 9 2010, 12:08 AM
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