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Another Question For Warren Stutt, concerning altitude

Craig Ranke CIT
post Dec 3 2009, 01:16 AM
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Warren Stutt,

You must be aware that people are referencing you to suggest that your findings contradict the statements by P4T that the last reported altitude in the NTSB data shows a value too high to hit the light poles and the building.

Are you willing to set the record straight here and at j.ref by publicly agreeing that your findings in the data concerning altitude CONFIRM the findings of P4T that it shows the plane too high to hit the light poles and the building?
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onesliceshort
post Dec 14 2009, 04:36 PM
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Hi Warren,
Yes I saw that IF there were indeed 4 seconds of extra data, Rob had explained that
the plane would have still missed the lightpoles and the Pentagon here:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18239

Rob explained it in detail.

The only counterargument that detractors have come up with as far as I can see is that
there may be ´lag´ or the recording was not accurate.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=7163

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According to the many FDR Companies we (P4T) called (including the manufacturer of the FDR and Aircraft Accident Investigators in our organization at pilotsfor911truth.org...), they adamantly refer to DME as the most accurate in terms of location/position. However, they also offered this during our interview...

¨If you know where the airplane departed, we can truly determine where the airplane was by pure physics. We have some very sophisticated equipment. If you know where the airplane took off, we know the airplane turned left, right, up down, speed... We can precisley determine last position based purely on physics. But if you have DME, that is the most accurate...¨



Was Rob right in saying that the plane was still too high to cause the damage even given the alleged extra 4 seconds?
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wstutt
post Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM
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Hi Rob,

What do you think of the following claim:
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In the last seconds we have pressure altitude of plane well above certification speed, descending at 3600 feet per minute, in a 2 g pull-up and we are discussing a value which can be about 75 feet off in static conditions? The final seconds of Flight 77 are outside the envelope for using the pressure altitude for anything useful.

Warren.
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rob balsamo
post Dec 21 2009, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM) *
Hi Rob,

What do you think of the following claim:

Warren.


I think its not proof of PA being more than 120+ in error. We covered this here...


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10778360

The 757 is rated for .86M, .70-.72M as displayed in the data is well below the certified limits of the pitot-static system.
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- Craig Ranke CIT   Another Question For Warren Stutt   Dec 3 2009, 01:16 AM
- - painter   I would also like to hear Mr. Sutt's answer to...   Dec 3 2009, 01:35 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (painter @ Dec 8 2009, 06:35 AM) I ...   Dec 3 2009, 08:59 AM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 3 2009, 02:59 PM) I r...   Dec 3 2009, 10:39 AM
- - trimble   Very nice, Craig. Someone on the other thread tak...   Dec 3 2009, 05:45 AM
- - rob balsamo   If this value "cannot be relied on", why...   Dec 3 2009, 11:19 AM
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- - onesliceshort   the govt loyalist site has not got ther facts stra...   Dec 3 2009, 11:56 AM
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|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 09:32 AM) Her...   Dec 6 2009, 11:09 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 03:32 PM) I c...   Dec 6 2009, 11:36 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 11 2009, ...   Dec 9 2009, 10:57 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 10 2009, 04:57 AM) Hi...   Dec 13 2009, 10:19 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 19 2009, ...   Dec 14 2009, 06:01 AM
- - rob balsamo   Keep in mind folks, the descent rate from the top ...   Dec 6 2009, 12:05 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 11 2009, 06...   Dec 9 2009, 11:02 PM
- - tnemelckram   QUOTE The official data from the FDR makes the des...   Dec 6 2009, 12:37 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE In other words, a stupid question deserves a...   Dec 6 2009, 07:00 PM
- - rob balsamo   Thanks Warren, but I was basing it on an initial v...   Dec 13 2009, 04:04 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 18 2009, 09...   Dec 13 2009, 07:15 PM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 13 2009, 07:15 PM) I...   Dec 13 2009, 09:01 PM
- - onesliceshort   Hi Warren, Yes I saw that IF there were indeed 4 s...   Dec 14 2009, 04:36 PM
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|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM) Hi...   Dec 21 2009, 12:33 AM
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