Another Question For Warren Stutt, concerning altitude |

Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
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Warren Stutt,
You must be aware that people are referencing you to suggest that your findings contradict the statements by P4T that the last reported altitude in the NTSB data shows a value too high to hit the light poles and the building. Are you willing to set the record straight here and at j.ref by publicly agreeing that your findings in the data concerning altitude CONFIRM the findings of P4T that it shows the plane too high to hit the light poles and the building? |
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Jan 6 2010, 05:13 AM
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Warren,
You calculated the margin for error in Groundpseed with groundspeed. When you calculate the margin of error in altitude, you use altimeter setting? Not only is that apples and oranges, but its completely and utterly intellectually dishonest Warren and I surprised you even attempted to correlate the two. Do you have an agenda? What is your objective? Truth? Or trying to sell the govt story to yourself and perhaps others. Maybe your correlation of groundspeed to altimeter setting might work with those who blindly support the govt story, but every single one of our pilots will laugh if they heard of such an absurd correlation. The list grows. Basically, you are trying to say the static pressure at the static port was 29.98, by using a possible (read: not proven) margin for error in groundspeed. Thats absurd. Not only that, but your "margin for error" in groundspeed has the aircraft more than 70 feet underground! And if the static pressure at the port was in error due to high speed, we are back again with the Mackey argument of Mcrit and compressiblity. Do you now think Mcrit for the 757 is .70-72M? Remember, the ADC also starts to make adjustments above .55M that were calibrated during flight testing (according to apathoid, we still have not seen proof of this). Try correlating apples to apples next time. For example, 174' is the True altitude as determined by your decode. 40' MSL is required. Thats an error of almost 77%! Not 0.78% Conversely, 174 * 0.78% = 1.36 feet. Warren, your margin of error in groundspeed equates to less than 2 feet in altitude. What exactly are you trying to pull here? Shame shame Warren, i expected more from you. Now i really question that new decode of yours. This whole discussion is moot if your decode is inaccurate, or worse, calculated with an agenda. Warren, again, 3 independent data sets match each other. Airport, FMS and Pitot-Static. The Pitot-Static system was operating flawlessly. At this point, it appears feasible to me that since the aircraft was overspeed, that the static pressure could have had small errors that would be larger than when the aircraft is flying at normal speeds. However I don't see a way of proving that this was the case. Warren. Proving your case is exactly what is required, especially if you want to grab a gun and start killing people in another land over it. All else is an argument based on your beliefs. An argument from incredulity, and is a logical fallacy. |
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Craig Ranke CIT Another Question For Warren Stutt Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
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Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 3 2009, 05:56 ... Dec 3 2009, 01:04 PM
painter I just want to note that I'm very appreciative... Dec 3 2009, 04:09 PM
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wstutt QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 9 2009, 04:10 ... Dec 6 2009, 10:32 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 09:32 AM) Her... Dec 6 2009, 12:09 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 03:32 PM) I c... Dec 6 2009, 12:36 PM
wstutt Hi OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 11 2009, ... Dec 9 2009, 11:57 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 10 2009, 04:57 AM) Hi... Dec 13 2009, 11:19 PM
wstutt Hi OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 19 2009, ... Dec 14 2009, 07:01 AM
rob balsamo Keep in mind folks, the descent rate from the top ... Dec 6 2009, 01:05 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 11 2009, 06... Dec 10 2009, 12:02 AM
tnemelckram QUOTE The official data from the FDR makes the des... Dec 6 2009, 01:37 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE In other words, a stupid question deserves a... Dec 6 2009, 08:00 PM
rob balsamo Thanks Warren, but I was basing it on an initial v... Dec 13 2009, 05:04 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 18 2009, 09... Dec 13 2009, 08:15 PM
JFK QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 13 2009, 07:15 PM) I... Dec 13 2009, 10:01 PM
onesliceshort Hi Warren,
Yes I saw that IF there were indeed 4 s... Dec 14 2009, 05:36 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
What do you think of the following claim:... Dec 20 2009, 09:19 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM) Hi... Dec 21 2009, 01:33 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 06... Dec 21 2009, 06:34 AM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
The limitations which are publicly ava... Dec 21 2009, 11:40 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 04... Dec 22 2009, 04:49 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 22 2009, 03:49 PM) Hi... Dec 22 2009, 06:54 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 27 2009, 11... Dec 26 2009, 01:48 AM
tnemelckram Hi Warren and Rob!
I posted my reading of the... Dec 22 2009, 06:56 PM
rob balsamo Warren, we're going in circles.... Please read... Dec 26 2009, 02:40 AM
Jefferson QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 13 2009, 09:04 P... Dec 27 2009, 10:04 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 27 2009, 09:04 PM)... Dec 28 2009, 09:08 PM
Jefferson "Hi Jefferson,
The above calculations were d... Dec 28 2009, 11:44 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 10:44 PM)... Dec 29 2009, 12:12 AM
wstutt Hi Jefferson,
QUOTE (Jefferson @ Jan 3 2010,... Dec 31 2009, 09:11 PM
Jefferson I have a thought about altitude. It could be usefu... Dec 28 2009, 11:59 PM
Jefferson Thankyou rob balsamo. Sorry I think I am not being... Dec 29 2009, 12:33 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 11:33 PM)... Dec 29 2009, 12:48 AM
Jefferson "Yes. "
Thankyou rob balsamo, that was ... Dec 29 2009, 08:45 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
Have you read post #4078 by apathoid on t... Jan 1 2010, 10:18 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 1 2010, 09:18 PM) Hi ... Jan 1 2010, 10:30 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2010, 02... Jan 2 2010, 07:46 PM
JFK Here :
CODEhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/for... Jan 2 2010, 08:03 PM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
He made the statement at ATS Forum und... Jan 2 2010, 09:06 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
I think Tom's point of uncertainty in... Jan 4 2010, 02:19 AM
rob balsamo Warren,
Tom and his minions are now trying to cla... Jan 4 2010, 02:36 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 9 2010, 06... Jan 4 2010, 10:51 PM
dMole Off-topic meta-"chatter?" split here:
A... Jan 4 2010, 08:16 PM
rob balsamo Warren,
Not sure what you did with your calculat... Jan 4 2010, 11:08 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 03... Jan 5 2010, 09:17 AM
rob balsamo Warren, since the numbers are so close for True He... Jan 5 2010, 09:34 AM
rob balsamo Here Warren,
This might lift some of the confusio... Jan 5 2010, 10:37 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 02... Jan 6 2010, 05:00 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
Where did you get the temperature and pre... Jan 6 2010, 01:24 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 6 2010, 12:24 AM) Hi ... Jan 6 2010, 01:33 AM
JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 04:13 AM... Jan 6 2010, 11:03 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 10:03 AM) What I... Jan 6 2010, 02:29 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 11 2010, 09... Jan 8 2010, 06:15 AM
JFK Appears being the key word.
I just tried cross re... Jan 6 2010, 04:11 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:11 PM) The we... Jan 6 2010, 04:21 PM

JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 03:21 PM... Jan 6 2010, 04:44 PM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 11 2010, 08:11 ... Jan 8 2010, 07:37 AM
JFK QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 8 2010, 06:37 AM) Hi ... Jan 8 2010, 09:18 AM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 13 2010, 01:18 ... Jan 9 2010, 02:04 AM
JFK Just adding.... In the D226A101G.PDF the tolarance... Jan 6 2010, 04:37 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:37 PM) I did ... Jan 6 2010, 05:05 PM
JFK Yeah, I understand what it looks like and how it w... Jan 6 2010, 05:27 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 04:27 PM) Maybe ... Jan 6 2010, 05:36 PM
JFK Yeah, well normal cruise for a 757 is ~ +2.5°, so ... Jan 6 2010, 06:47 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 05:47 PM) Yeah, ... Jan 6 2010, 07:16 PM
JFK Well the limey's call it "normal cruise... Jan 6 2010, 07:56 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 06:56 PM) Well t... Jan 8 2010, 05:23 AM
tomk LMAO,
I figured you kids would find some way to... Jan 7 2010, 11:47 AM
JFK QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 7 2010, 10:47 AM) LMAO,... Jan 7 2010, 01:44 PM
alanj QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 8 2010, 03:47 AM) I fig... Jan 7 2010, 03:55 PM
rob balsamo Warren,
DCA weather values are not precise to the... Jan 8 2010, 08:40 AM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 12:40 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:00 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 01:00 AM) Can... Jan 9 2010, 02:38 AM

wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 14 2010, 06... Jan 9 2010, 03:53 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 02:53 AM) How... Jan 9 2010, 04:00 AM
rob balsamo With respect to +/-6 knots error allowed for TAS a... Jan 9 2010, 04:53 AM
JFK Sorry Rob, but this has to be said....
If that id... Jan 8 2010, 10:23 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 09:23 AM) Sorry ... Jan 8 2010, 10:41 AM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 02:41 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:10 AM
JFK Yeah, well Craig and I have also gone head to head... Jan 8 2010, 11:09 AM
rob balsamo Fair enough.....and i agree. This is why i havent ... Jan 8 2010, 11:14 AM
JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 8 2010, 10:14 AM... Jan 8 2010, 11:47 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 10:47 AM) ..and ... Jan 8 2010, 11:54 AM
JFK From where I sit he appears to be concentrating on... Jan 8 2010, 12:06 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 11:06 AM) From w... Jan 8 2010, 12:16 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 04:16 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:35 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 07:35 AM) No ... Jan 9 2010, 12:14 PM
JFK As clear as the various DFL's.
- respectfully... Jan 8 2010, 12:57 PM
JFK In the meantime the old fucked up drunkard come al... Jan 9 2010, 12:08 AM
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