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Another Question For Warren Stutt, concerning altitude

Craig Ranke CIT
post Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
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Warren Stutt,

You must be aware that people are referencing you to suggest that your findings contradict the statements by P4T that the last reported altitude in the NTSB data shows a value too high to hit the light poles and the building.

Are you willing to set the record straight here and at j.ref by publicly agreeing that your findings in the data concerning altitude CONFIRM the findings of P4T that it shows the plane too high to hit the light poles and the building?
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rob balsamo
post Jan 8 2010, 08:40 AM
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Warren,

DCA weather values are not precise to the degree. I explained this to you above. Your initial input skews all the rest.

I will admit I dont have the time nor the desire to cross check your math. Also, if you are going to link an 86 page pdf, it might be nice to let readers know its a big pdf file before they click on it. Its just nice internet etiquette.

Bottom line...

You can spend hours upon hours attempting to fit the data to an impact, but this list will still grow with professionals who understand the big picture when reviewing the data and information. We have another update coming soon.

3 sets of independent data match. FMS, Airport and Pitot-Static. This is basic aeronautical knowledge and is why you dont see the Romper Room acting up over it, instead they are making fools of themselves over -15.6 AOA in which it appears the majority of them havent even looked at the parameter data in the files.. (I took a gander over at the cesspool tonight, what a mess...lol).

If you want to compare apples to apples further, try comparing envelopes and margins of error. Still, this would not be in your range for impact. Keep in mind, Airspeed errors are +/- 6 knots according to documents provided by apathoid. Altitude is +/-75 feet. Your correlation doesnt even start till you exceed those initial margins of error.

It would also be nice if you would inform the Romper Room regarding the fact that the data presented in your decode and the NTSB csv file has already underwent the conversion from raw data to "engineering units" using the DFL formula's. It appears apathoid is the only one who actually looked at the data in the files, found out it is in fact showing -15.6 deg for a "level AOA", decided to once again use the DFL conversion on data which has already been converted, and still got it wrong as the product would be a negative value...lol. Of course he also couldnt miss out on an opportunity to make another post loaded with personal attacks. You might want to bring some jelly over there when you inform them as Im sure they are getting tired of eating their shoe raw. Too funny.

For those interested. See attached for a clear picture of what we been talking about regarding AOA and pitch angles. (We've already had enough laughs at Will's expense. I suppose it's time to throw him a bone.. you're welcome Will, and thanks for all the laughs when you attempted to use FD Pitch for aircraft attitude).
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- Craig Ranke CIT   Another Question For Warren Stutt   Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
- - painter   I would also like to hear Mr. Sutt's answer to...   Dec 3 2009, 02:35 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (painter @ Dec 8 2009, 06:35 AM) I ...   Dec 3 2009, 09:59 AM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 3 2009, 02:59 PM) I r...   Dec 3 2009, 11:39 AM
- - trimble   Very nice, Craig. Someone on the other thread tak...   Dec 3 2009, 06:45 AM
- - rob balsamo   If this value "cannot be relied on", why...   Dec 3 2009, 12:19 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 3 2009, 05:19 PM...   Dec 3 2009, 01:10 PM
- - onesliceshort   the govt loyalist site has not got ther facts stra...   Dec 3 2009, 12:56 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 3 2009, 05:56 ...   Dec 3 2009, 01:04 PM
- - painter   I just want to note that I'm very appreciative...   Dec 3 2009, 04:09 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (painter @ Dec 3 2009, 09:09 PM) I ...   Dec 3 2009, 07:00 PM
- - onesliceshort   I personally had been a lurker here for a long tim...   Dec 3 2009, 11:10 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 9 2009, 04:10 ...   Dec 6 2009, 10:32 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 09:32 AM) Her...   Dec 6 2009, 12:09 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 03:32 PM) I c...   Dec 6 2009, 12:36 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 11 2009, ...   Dec 9 2009, 11:57 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 10 2009, 04:57 AM) Hi...   Dec 13 2009, 11:19 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 19 2009, ...   Dec 14 2009, 07:01 AM
- - rob balsamo   Keep in mind folks, the descent rate from the top ...   Dec 6 2009, 01:05 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 11 2009, 06...   Dec 10 2009, 12:02 AM
- - tnemelckram   QUOTE The official data from the FDR makes the des...   Dec 6 2009, 01:37 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE In other words, a stupid question deserves a...   Dec 6 2009, 08:00 PM
- - rob balsamo   Thanks Warren, but I was basing it on an initial v...   Dec 13 2009, 05:04 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 18 2009, 09...   Dec 13 2009, 08:15 PM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 13 2009, 07:15 PM) I...   Dec 13 2009, 10:01 PM
- - onesliceshort   Hi Warren, Yes I saw that IF there were indeed 4 s...   Dec 14 2009, 05:36 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, What do you think of the following claim:...   Dec 20 2009, 09:19 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM) Hi...   Dec 21 2009, 01:33 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 06...   Dec 21 2009, 06:34 AM
- - rob balsamo   Hi Warren, The limitations which are publicly ava...   Dec 21 2009, 11:40 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 04...   Dec 22 2009, 04:49 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 22 2009, 03:49 PM) Hi...   Dec 22 2009, 06:54 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 27 2009, 11...   Dec 26 2009, 01:48 AM
- - tnemelckram   Hi Warren and Rob! I posted my reading of the...   Dec 22 2009, 06:56 PM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, we're going in circles.... Please read...   Dec 26 2009, 02:40 AM
- - Jefferson   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 13 2009, 09:04 P...   Dec 27 2009, 10:04 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 27 2009, 09:04 PM)...   Dec 28 2009, 09:08 PM
- - Jefferson   "Hi Jefferson, The above calculations were d...   Dec 28 2009, 11:44 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 10:44 PM)...   Dec 29 2009, 12:12 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Jefferson, QUOTE (Jefferson @ Jan 3 2010,...   Dec 31 2009, 09:11 PM
- - Jefferson   I have a thought about altitude. It could be usefu...   Dec 28 2009, 11:59 PM
- - Jefferson   Thankyou rob balsamo. Sorry I think I am not being...   Dec 29 2009, 12:33 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 11:33 PM)...   Dec 29 2009, 12:48 AM
- - Jefferson   "Yes. " Thankyou rob balsamo, that was ...   Dec 29 2009, 08:45 AM
- - wstutt   Hi Rob, Have you read post #4078 by apathoid on t...   Jan 1 2010, 10:18 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 1 2010, 09:18 PM) Hi ...   Jan 1 2010, 10:30 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2010, 02...   Jan 2 2010, 07:46 PM
- - JFK   Here : CODEhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/for...   Jan 2 2010, 08:03 PM
- - rob balsamo   Hi Warren, He made the statement at ATS Forum und...   Jan 2 2010, 09:06 PM
- - wstutt   Hi Rob, I think Tom's point of uncertainty in...   Jan 4 2010, 02:19 AM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, Tom and his minions are now trying to cla...   Jan 4 2010, 02:36 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 9 2010, 06...   Jan 4 2010, 10:51 PM
- - dMole   Off-topic meta-"chatter?" split here: A...   Jan 4 2010, 08:16 PM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, Not sure what you did with your calculat...   Jan 4 2010, 11:08 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 03...   Jan 5 2010, 09:17 AM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, since the numbers are so close for True He...   Jan 5 2010, 09:34 AM
- - rob balsamo   Here Warren, This might lift some of the confusio...   Jan 5 2010, 10:37 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 02...   Jan 6 2010, 05:00 AM
- - wstutt   Hi Rob, Where did you get the temperature and pre...   Jan 6 2010, 01:24 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 6 2010, 12:24 AM) Hi ...   Jan 6 2010, 01:33 AM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, You calculated the margin for error in Gr...   Jan 6 2010, 05:13 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 04:13 AM...   Jan 6 2010, 11:03 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 10:03 AM) What I...   Jan 6 2010, 02:29 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 11 2010, 09...   Jan 8 2010, 06:15 AM
- - JFK   Appears being the key word. I just tried cross re...   Jan 6 2010, 04:11 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:11 PM) The we...   Jan 6 2010, 04:21 PM
||- - JFK   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 03:21 PM...   Jan 6 2010, 04:44 PM
|- - wstutt   Hi JFK, QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 11 2010, 08:11 ...   Jan 8 2010, 07:37 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 8 2010, 06:37 AM) Hi ...   Jan 8 2010, 09:18 AM
|- - wstutt   Hi JFK, QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 13 2010, 01:18 ...   Jan 9 2010, 02:04 AM
- - JFK   Just adding.... In the D226A101G.PDF the tolarance...   Jan 6 2010, 04:37 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:37 PM) I did ...   Jan 6 2010, 05:05 PM
- - JFK   Yeah, I understand what it looks like and how it w...   Jan 6 2010, 05:27 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 04:27 PM) Maybe ...   Jan 6 2010, 05:36 PM
- - JFK   Yeah, well normal cruise for a 757 is ~ +2.5°, so ...   Jan 6 2010, 06:47 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 05:47 PM) Yeah, ...   Jan 6 2010, 07:16 PM
- - JFK   Well the limey's call it "normal cruise...   Jan 6 2010, 07:56 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 06:56 PM) Well t...   Jan 8 2010, 05:23 AM
- - tomk   LMAO, I figured you kids would find some way to...   Jan 7 2010, 11:47 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 7 2010, 10:47 AM) LMAO,...   Jan 7 2010, 01:44 PM
|- - alanj   QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 8 2010, 03:47 AM) I fig...   Jan 7 2010, 03:55 PM
- - rob balsamo   Warren, DCA weather values are not precise to the...   Jan 8 2010, 08:40 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 12:40 P...   Jan 9 2010, 02:00 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 01:00 AM) Can...   Jan 9 2010, 02:38 AM
||- - wstutt   Hi Rob, QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 14 2010, 06...   Jan 9 2010, 03:53 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 02:53 AM) How...   Jan 9 2010, 04:00 AM
|- - rob balsamo   With respect to +/-6 knots error allowed for TAS a...   Jan 9 2010, 04:53 AM
- - JFK   Sorry Rob, but this has to be said.... If that id...   Jan 8 2010, 10:23 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 09:23 AM) Sorry ...   Jan 8 2010, 10:41 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 02:41 P...   Jan 9 2010, 02:10 AM
- - JFK   Yeah, well Craig and I have also gone head to head...   Jan 8 2010, 11:09 AM
- - rob balsamo   Fair enough.....and i agree. This is why i havent ...   Jan 8 2010, 11:14 AM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 8 2010, 10:14 AM...   Jan 8 2010, 11:47 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 10:47 AM) ..and ...   Jan 8 2010, 11:54 AM
- - JFK   From where I sit he appears to be concentrating on...   Jan 8 2010, 12:06 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 11:06 AM) From w...   Jan 8 2010, 12:16 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 04:16 P...   Jan 9 2010, 02:35 AM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 07:35 AM) No ...   Jan 9 2010, 12:14 PM
- - JFK   As clear as the various DFL's. - respectfully...   Jan 8 2010, 12:57 PM
- - JFK   In the meantime the old fucked up drunkard come al...   Jan 9 2010, 12:08 AM
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