Another Question For Warren Stutt, concerning altitude |

Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
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Warren Stutt,
You must be aware that people are referencing you to suggest that your findings contradict the statements by P4T that the last reported altitude in the NTSB data shows a value too high to hit the light poles and the building. Are you willing to set the record straight here and at j.ref by publicly agreeing that your findings in the data concerning altitude CONFIRM the findings of P4T that it shows the plane too high to hit the light poles and the building? |
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Jan 6 2010, 04:11 PM
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Group: Guests Posts: 564 Joined: 2-June 08 Member No.: 3,485 |
Appears being the key word.
I just tried cross referencing with the "Corrected AoA" in the 757_3b_1.txt file, and found those values in most cases being almost exactly double. The weird thing is that in the D226A101-3G.pdf, that word and corresponding bits ( Word 210, Bits 3-12 ) are assigned to the surge tank sensors. Anyways I put this together from another 757 manual I found online for a Chineese Airline ( whilst in my quest for ARINC 429 specs ) : |
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Jan 8 2010, 07:37 AM
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Group: Troll Posts: 255 Joined: 27-December 07 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 2,603 |
Hi JFK,
Appears being the key word. I found that if I used the same conversion formula for CORRECTED AOA as is used for INDICATED AOA which produces angles in the range -90 to +90 (which in effect halves the corrected AOA values), then the CORRECTED AOA values are very close to the INDICATED AOA values as you said.I just tried cross referencing with the "Corrected AoA" in the 757_3b_1.txt file, and found those values in most cases being almost exactly double. The weird thing is that in the D226A101-3G.pdf, that word and corresponding bits ( Word 210, Bits 3-12 ) are assigned to the surge tank sensors. <snip> Because of this closeness, it is now my opinion that word 210 bits 3 to 12, contains the CORRECTED AOA parameter rather than the DENSITY L TANK, DENSITY R TANK, DENSITY C TANK and DENSITY S TANK parameters. I will change this in the next release. Good work JFK! The NTSB decoded that word as the DENSITY TANK parameters as well. Warren. |
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Jan 8 2010, 09:18 AM
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Group: Guests Posts: 564 Joined: 2-June 08 Member No.: 3,485 |
Hi JFK, I found that if I used the same conversion formula for CORRECTED AOA as is used for INDICATED AOA which produces angles in the range -90 to +90 (which in effect halves the corrected AOA values), then the CORRECTED AOA values are very close to the INDICATED AOA values as you said. Because of this closeness, it is now my opinion that word 210 bits 3 to 12, contains the CORRECTED AOA parameter rather than the DENSITY L TANK, DENSITY R TANK, DENSITY C TANK and DENSITY S TANK parameters. I will change this in the next release. Good work JFK! The NTSB decoded that word as the DENSITY TANK parameters as well. Warren. Perhaps it is time to begin a new DFL sheet as well ? Edit to add - Especially since the way they botched the numbering of the SuperFrames in word 256 in the 757-3b.txt file. |
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Craig Ranke CIT Another Question For Warren Stutt Dec 3 2009, 02:16 AM
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rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 09:32 AM) Her... Dec 6 2009, 12:09 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 6 2009, 03:32 PM) I c... Dec 6 2009, 12:36 PM
wstutt Hi OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 11 2009, ... Dec 9 2009, 11:57 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 10 2009, 04:57 AM) Hi... Dec 13 2009, 11:19 PM
wstutt Hi OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 19 2009, ... Dec 14 2009, 07:01 AM
rob balsamo Keep in mind folks, the descent rate from the top ... Dec 6 2009, 01:05 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 11 2009, 06... Dec 10 2009, 12:02 AM
tnemelckram QUOTE The official data from the FDR makes the des... Dec 6 2009, 01:37 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE In other words, a stupid question deserves a... Dec 6 2009, 08:00 PM
rob balsamo Thanks Warren, but I was basing it on an initial v... Dec 13 2009, 05:04 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 18 2009, 09... Dec 13 2009, 08:15 PM
JFK QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 13 2009, 07:15 PM) I... Dec 13 2009, 10:01 PM
onesliceshort Hi Warren,
Yes I saw that IF there were indeed 4 s... Dec 14 2009, 05:36 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
What do you think of the following claim:... Dec 20 2009, 09:19 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 20 2009, 08:19 AM) Hi... Dec 21 2009, 01:33 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 06... Dec 21 2009, 06:34 AM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
The limitations which are publicly ava... Dec 21 2009, 11:40 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 26 2009, 04... Dec 22 2009, 04:49 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Dec 22 2009, 03:49 PM) Hi... Dec 22 2009, 06:54 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 27 2009, 11... Dec 26 2009, 01:48 AM
tnemelckram Hi Warren and Rob!
I posted my reading of the... Dec 22 2009, 06:56 PM
rob balsamo Warren, we're going in circles.... Please read... Dec 26 2009, 02:40 AM
Jefferson QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 13 2009, 09:04 P... Dec 27 2009, 10:04 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 27 2009, 09:04 PM)... Dec 28 2009, 09:08 PM
Jefferson "Hi Jefferson,
The above calculations were d... Dec 28 2009, 11:44 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 10:44 PM)... Dec 29 2009, 12:12 AM
wstutt Hi Jefferson,
QUOTE (Jefferson @ Jan 3 2010,... Dec 31 2009, 09:11 PM
Jefferson I have a thought about altitude. It could be usefu... Dec 28 2009, 11:59 PM
Jefferson Thankyou rob balsamo. Sorry I think I am not being... Dec 29 2009, 12:33 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Jefferson @ Dec 28 2009, 11:33 PM)... Dec 29 2009, 12:48 AM
Jefferson "Yes. "
Thankyou rob balsamo, that was ... Dec 29 2009, 08:45 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
Have you read post #4078 by apathoid on t... Jan 1 2010, 10:18 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 1 2010, 09:18 PM) Hi ... Jan 1 2010, 10:30 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2010, 02... Jan 2 2010, 07:46 PM
JFK Here :
CODEhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/for... Jan 2 2010, 08:03 PM
rob balsamo Hi Warren,
He made the statement at ATS Forum und... Jan 2 2010, 09:06 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
I think Tom's point of uncertainty in... Jan 4 2010, 02:19 AM
rob balsamo Warren,
Tom and his minions are now trying to cla... Jan 4 2010, 02:36 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 9 2010, 06... Jan 4 2010, 10:51 PM
dMole Off-topic meta-"chatter?" split here:
A... Jan 4 2010, 08:16 PM
rob balsamo Warren,
Not sure what you did with your calculat... Jan 4 2010, 11:08 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 03... Jan 5 2010, 09:17 AM
rob balsamo Warren, since the numbers are so close for True He... Jan 5 2010, 09:34 AM
rob balsamo Here Warren,
This might lift some of the confusio... Jan 5 2010, 10:37 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2010, 02... Jan 6 2010, 05:00 AM
wstutt Hi Rob,
Where did you get the temperature and pre... Jan 6 2010, 01:24 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 6 2010, 12:24 AM) Hi ... Jan 6 2010, 01:33 AM
rob balsamo Warren,
You calculated the margin for error in Gr... Jan 6 2010, 05:13 AM
JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 04:13 AM... Jan 6 2010, 11:03 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 10:03 AM) What I... Jan 6 2010, 02:29 PM
wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 11 2010, 09... Jan 8 2010, 06:15 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:11 PM) The we... Jan 6 2010, 04:21 PM

JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 6 2010, 03:21 PM... Jan 6 2010, 04:44 PM
wstutt Hi JFK,
QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 13 2010, 01:18 ... Jan 9 2010, 02:04 AM
JFK Just adding.... In the D226A101G.PDF the tolarance... Jan 6 2010, 04:37 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 03:37 PM) I did ... Jan 6 2010, 05:05 PM
JFK Yeah, I understand what it looks like and how it w... Jan 6 2010, 05:27 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 04:27 PM) Maybe ... Jan 6 2010, 05:36 PM
JFK Yeah, well normal cruise for a 757 is ~ +2.5°, so ... Jan 6 2010, 06:47 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 05:47 PM) Yeah, ... Jan 6 2010, 07:16 PM
JFK Well the limey's call it "normal cruise... Jan 6 2010, 07:56 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 6 2010, 06:56 PM) Well t... Jan 8 2010, 05:23 AM
tomk LMAO,
I figured you kids would find some way to... Jan 7 2010, 11:47 AM
JFK QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 7 2010, 10:47 AM) LMAO,... Jan 7 2010, 01:44 PM
alanj QUOTE (tomk @ Jan 8 2010, 03:47 AM) I fig... Jan 7 2010, 03:55 PM
rob balsamo Warren,
DCA weather values are not precise to the... Jan 8 2010, 08:40 AM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 12:40 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:00 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 01:00 AM) Can... Jan 9 2010, 02:38 AM

wstutt Hi Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 14 2010, 06... Jan 9 2010, 03:53 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 02:53 AM) How... Jan 9 2010, 04:00 AM
rob balsamo With respect to +/-6 knots error allowed for TAS a... Jan 9 2010, 04:53 AM
JFK Sorry Rob, but this has to be said....
If that id... Jan 8 2010, 10:23 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 09:23 AM) Sorry ... Jan 8 2010, 10:41 AM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 02:41 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:10 AM
JFK Yeah, well Craig and I have also gone head to head... Jan 8 2010, 11:09 AM
rob balsamo Fair enough.....and i agree. This is why i havent ... Jan 8 2010, 11:14 AM
JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 8 2010, 10:14 AM... Jan 8 2010, 11:47 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 10:47 AM) ..and ... Jan 8 2010, 11:54 AM
JFK From where I sit he appears to be concentrating on... Jan 8 2010, 12:06 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Jan 8 2010, 11:06 AM) From w... Jan 8 2010, 12:16 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 13 2010, 04:16 P... Jan 9 2010, 02:35 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 9 2010, 07:35 AM) No ... Jan 9 2010, 12:14 PM
JFK As clear as the various DFL's.
- respectfully... Jan 8 2010, 12:57 PM
JFK In the meantime the old fucked up drunkard come al... Jan 9 2010, 12:08 AM
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