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Wayne Madsen's Latest Concerning 11/09/01

albertchampion
post Dec 17 2009, 10:05 PM
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i think it is a crock of disinformation, personally. but, you read it. what do you think?



<h2 id="main-title">December 17, 2009 -- EXCLUSIVE -- A CIA insiders's view of 9/11 and who may have been responsible</h2>
publication date: Dec 16, 2009
December 17, 2009 -- EXCLUSIVE -- A CIA insiders's view of 9/11 and who may have been responsible

WMR is publishing as an exclusive a draft report written by a longtime Central Intelligence Agency officer and top Middle East expert who once spent time in the Saudi home of Mohammed Bin Laden in Jeddah and met his son Osama Bin Laden during his rebellious anti-Saudi conservatism teen years. The former CIA official died in 2005. The report deals with the expert's unique insights into the perpetrators behind the 9/11 attacks. Because of the subject matter and the fact that Israel and its influence-peddling lobby in Washington often venomously attack those who unveil the secrets of Israeli espionage activities in the United States, WMR is electing to maintain the anonymity of the official who authored the report.

Ten chances to prevent the 9/11 disaster?

There were eleven! But the Israelis

Protected al-Qaeda's secret.

Israelis knew full details about 9/11 hijackings ahead of time -

But they did not warn us

Israel had detailed advance knowledge of the 9/11 hijackings. Israeli intelligence knew precisely when the attack would be launched - almost to the minute[1] -- and knew precisely which targets would be struck. But Israel left the U.S. completely in the dark. The Israelis knew - but we did not. The Israelis knew the targets and precisely when each hijacker would strike - what, when, and where.

How did they know? Israeli spies here in the US had identified and located at least nine of the hijackers by late spring of 2001. They knew where the hijackers-to-be lived. They monitored their conversations and movements. The Israelis were positioned to pinpoint the day of the attack, as soon as the hijackers themselves had finalized the choice of date.

The hijackings could have been nipped literally in the bud. But the Israelis covered for al-Qaeda. They watched, but kept mum.

The Israeli spies were uncertain as to how many other such hijackings were planned, but there was no doubt concerning the ones they had located. The Israelis' net in Florida was fine-meshed with respect to the four hijackings which did take place. Amongst the nine conspirators whom they had flagged, were included four of the pilots who actually flew on that fateful day.

The affair of the "dancing Israelis" in New York exposed already on 9/11 that Israeli intelligence knew exactly what to expect. Three young Israeli spies, working out of a warehouse in Weehawken, were set up to videotape the attack before it took place. They knew "what and when", and they also knew the best spot from which to film the World Trade Center - Liberty State Park. The park is directly across the Hudson River from the park and offers a clear unobstructed view of the WTC. That choice itself indicated careful advance planning for exploiting their advance knowledge of the hijackings[2]

The US's long-term ally abandoned us. Our "partner in the war against terrorism" defaulted. 3,000 people died unnecessarily. If Israel had shared with us the results of its surveillance operations, those lives could have been spared. The Israelis' profilings and ID's were sufficiently precise that the hijackers could have been caught at the boarding gates - but only if the Israelis had alerted us.

The Israelis knew -so why did they leave the US in the dark? Israel has been a long-term ally. It shares the US' concerns for the war against terrorism. Where was any hint of gratitude for hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies and aid. Or where was there any thanks for the two times that the US rescued Israel from launching nuclear wars?

The answer is crass and simple. Asked to comment on the attacks, Benjamin Netanyahu, Finance Minister and former Prime Minister, inadvertently blurted out the reason: "It is very good!" There followed an embarrassed pause. He added: "Well, its not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel"[3] Minister Netanyahu's blundering candor was characteristic and unintended, but cold-bloodedly precise. The Israelis' political calculus was impeccable. 9/11 was "good" for Israel's cause.

The Village Voice was equally blunt and clear: "Now support for Israel in America is officially absolute." The attacks dramatically inflamed anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiments in the US, long a cornerstone of Israeli policy. Israel won a free hand in the Occupied Territories and at least 9 billions of dollars more in aid. A once-in-a-lifetime political and propaganda bonanza would have been squandered if they had exposed al-Qaeda's plot.

The Israelis knew the hijackers' plans because they had tracked down most of them and watched them around the clock. The al-Qaeda conspirators had migrated towards southeastern Florida, starting in late 2000 and early 2001. Indeed, ten of the hijackers were closely clustered together around the towns of Delray Beach and Hollywood, north of Miami. Their locations are marked with crescents on the state map of Florida.

And the Israelis had tracked them down, like hunters following the spoor. The known safe houses of the Israeli agents cluster in the same towns - a most improbable coincidence. These are marked with Stars of David. The Israeli agents set up shop in Hollywood and its vicinity because that is where the hijackers had congregated. They ringed and bracketed the flats or motels used by the hijackers. Having found prime suspects, the Israelis settled in to watch and listen.

It was no coincidence that the hijackers themselves were concentrated in Florida. What magnet drew them there? It was not the beaches or the humid climate. The hijackers-in-training were drawn by the number and variety of flight schools. It was logical that they concentrate there because they were planning an aerial assault and wanted to hone their flying skills.

"There are more flight schools per capita in Florida than anywhere else in the country", commented Terry Fersome, president of an association of flight schools. Indeed there are more than fifty, and most are located along the southeastern coast of Florida between Palm Beach and Miami. And the area hosts several private, full-scale "Level Six" simulators -- the gold standard in trainers for the Boeing 757's and 767's -- which can be rented by the hour.

But the noose was even tighter. The Israelis did not merely pursue the hijackers to the same towns. They squatted around them in the same neighborhoods within those towns. The map of Hollywood itself highlights that intimacy. For example, the hijackers used an address at 3389 Sheridan St. The first of the Israeli safe houses was but a few blocks away, at 4220 Sheridan St.



The second location which the Israelis used was 701 South 21st Street. This bracketed most of the motels or apartments used by the hijackers, which facilitated monitoring room bugs which the Israeli specialists had planted. A third was on Pierce Street, further encircling the Arab suspects.



The hijackers had two locations somewhat farther away from their mail drop- an apartment on 1818 Jackson St., just a few blocks from the Israelis' location on 21st Street. And, secondly, they had rooms at the Bimini Motel at 1600 N. Ocean Drive, along the beach. They used additional addresses in Hollywood at 418 South Federal Highway, 1600 N. Ocean Drive, 1861 North Federal Highway, 1816 Harding Street, 1754 South Young Circle, and 2501 N. Ocean Blvd. The hijackers' pads are marked with crescents on the map. In the months before 9/11 they seemed to lead a semi-nomadic life, moving about frequently and changing flat-mates, but staying in the same area.

This clustering of hijackers and Israeli spies cannot be pure coincidence. They came together in the very same town - one of tens of thousands of towns in the US. And, within that town, they were crowded together within a radius of circa 2 miles. Eight of the hijackers had quartered themselves in Hollywood -almost one-third of the group, and the Israelis with foreknowledge had swarmed around them.

# in Hollywood Eight [4]

# within 10-mile radius of Hollywood Ten [5]

How did the Israeli team converge on the clutch of hijackers in Hollywood? And how did they manage to do it so early in the game? There are three possible explanations. First, there is the theory that the Israelis were actually involved in planning and running the show - a "false flag" operation. While there are precedents enough for such operations by the Mossad (and other intelligence services), including the notorious "Lavon affair" which the Israelis directed against the US, there is no evidence thus far which would support this tempting interpretation.

Second, the Mossad may have had a passive mole planted in one of the groups, who reported, but otherwise was not proactive. That would have enabled them to focus surveillance more quickly and more narrowly. Here, too, is a precedent at the expense of the US. It is claimed that the Israelis knew of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983, thanks to a passive mole, but remained silent and did not warn us.

The most probable explanation, however, is the combination of a lucky intercept with doggedly good detective work. Having spotted "Mr X" with a specific reference to a plan or plotters, they were then in a position to work backwards and forwards through "Mr. X's" circle of contacts. This involved sifting through endless hours of taped conversations in various languages or dialects - which requires the patience of Job -- but the Israelis have 50 years of experience in such surveillance work against Arabic-speaking targets.

The FBI's watch list, which was leaked, showed very few "intersections" or overlaps among the hijackers. For example, only two of the hijackers were reported to have sojourned in Hamburg, which was and is a hotbed of Islamic activity. [6] There, anti-Israeli and anti-American militants are concentrated in a handful of mosques and Islamic centers. These are under such close surveillance by all major intelligence services that the watchers may outnumber the watched.[7]

Penetrating this particular group posed an additional obstacle because of their backgrounds. Many of them were closely knit, making penetration by a mole especially precarious.[8] More than a half dozen all came from the Baha, a poor and isolated area on the escarpment of the Central Arabian plateau. It lies some 100 kms south of Ta'if., in a region which had tasted few if any of the benefits of Saudi oil wealth. The denizens all knew each other, or knew of each other, so early bonding was easy and important. Many belonged to the same clan (the Ghamad) or related sub-clans. Such groups are likely to consort only amongst themselves - much less gregarious than urban Saudis of their generation.

But the Israelis had one asset to exploit. The plotters' technical planning may have been brilliant, diabolically so, but their tradecraft was fatally primitive. First, they broke repeatedly the cardinal rule of any cell-based conspiracy. No one in one cell should know or recognize anyone in other cells. This slows - but does not eliminate - penetration by the adversaries' counter-intelligence units. Instead, this gang lived together, traveled together, and - as best one can tell - socialized together. Finding one meant finding most.

Second, they were chatterboxes. They talked too much. An extreme example is Marwan al-Shehhi's boast to a Hamburg librarian: "There will be thousands of dead. You will think of me.", specifically mentioning the WTC in a conversation in April/May 2000 . He continued: "In America something is going to happen. There will be many people killed."[9]

They had other stakeouts, although that in Hollywood was the best documented and the most concentrated, reflecting in part that they were still seeking other links. An address for Hani Hanjour (the pilot of AA 77) in Miramar, Florida was bracketed by two Israeli safe houses, one in Sunny Isles and the other in Hollywood. In Irving, Texas, where the agents were based, the Israelis had a house at 7535 North Beltline Road and one of the hijacking suspects was on the same street at 4045 North Beltline Road. Finally, they had two locations in Plantation[10] and another in the town of Tamarac, between Hollywood and the other cluster of hijackers in Delray Beach. Given the concentration of suspects in and around Delray, it is curious that no safe houses closer were noted in the DEA report.

The Israelis knew what was being planned - they knew because they had enough of the group under surveillance that they could follow their plans and preparations as they evolved. But they did not tell us. They protected al-Qaeda by remaining silent.

Notionally they did "warn" us. Late in August Lt. Gen Shaul Mofaz had sent a cryptic warning about a pending terrorist attack to George Tenet at the CIA, who commented that it was much too vague to be of any use. Carl Cameron, on the Fox News broadcast (which was quickly suppressed) noted that his sources described the Mossad's warning as:

"....nonspecific and general, and they believe hat it may have had something to do with the desire to protect what are sources and methods in the intelligence community"[11]

Hume added: "[it] wasn't lack of a warning, the problem was lack of useful details." It was, however, an ingenious gambit by the Mossad. They were able to claim credit for the tip, yet they omitted any of the details which might have helped the U.S. to abort the attack.

Thus while America slept the Israeli agents watched and listened and waited, but did not give a usable hint to us of what was going to happen in spite of foreknowledge.

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[1] The departure of UA 93, whose target was the White House, was delayed, which ultimately led to the failure of that mission.

[3] NYT - 9/2/01

[4] Al-Nami, al-Shehri, al-Soqami, Atta, al-Omari, al-Shehhi, al-Suqami, and Jarrah

[5] Wider circle brings in Hanjour.

[6] The Commission report notes that three - Atta, al-Shehhi, and Jarrah -- knew each other in Hamburg.

[7] It has been quipped that monitoring Arab and Muslim groups in the only growth sector in the German economy.

[8] It is possible, however, to "recruit" a reluctant mole by threatening his family.

[9] From Timeline, citing NYT 8/29/02, AFP 8/29/02, Guardian 8/30/02

[10] Plantation may be important in another context. It is also the home base for a disproportionate number of Israeli-controlled moving companies which are suspected of being set up for false flag operations. The cell in Irving housed a number of demolition specialists and may have served the dual purpose of a headquarters for the surveillance and the false flag teams.

[11] Fox # 2, 12 dec 01)


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post Dec 17 2009, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Dec 18 2009, 10:05 AM) *
i think it is a crock of disinformation...

"But the Israelis covered for al-Qaeda."


Not personally but publically, it is a crock.

And not worth reading.

Al-Qaida doesn't exist except as a CIA construct for the masses to believe in.
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Limited hangout crap all the way.

What about the controlled demolition WTC towers and WTC7? How'd Al-Qaeda do that? How about the fact no plane crashed in the infamous "gash" in Shanksville? Nor the Pentagon. No "Al-Qeada" needed there. Israel may have been watching but it wasn't Al-Qaeda. More likely it was Al-CIAda.
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the israelis knew...the cia knew... they were in it up to their collective eyeballs.

there is something about madsen that i can't put my finger on. i just hope he doesn't turn out to be a different type of hal turner.
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I thought this bloggers take on Madsen and his "Top Secret Report" - the WMR was funny.
Blog link: http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2007/01/way...e-for-real.html
The blogs info - "the charter" on the right is extremely funny.

I also think Madsen's one line Wiki bio is amusing:

Wayne Madsen (born April 25, 1954) is a controversial Washington, D.C.-based investigative journalist, author and columnist who has been described by critics as a conspiracy minded blogger.[1][2][3] He is the author of the blog Wayne Madsen Report

Madsen certainly has a huge amount of "space" on the internet - page after page - 99.999% favorable.
I'm always intrigued when "X NSA" decides to enlighten .....

The Blog (Posted by SnoopyTheGoon) :

02 January 2007
Wayne Madsen - is he for real?


A short Wiki entry on Wayne Madsen, after citing his various exciting occupations:


Madsen was formerly a Senior Fellow of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. He has some twenty years experience in computer security and data privacy. He was a communications security analyst with the National Security Agency in the 1980s, and an intelligence officer in the US Navy.

proceeds to his, probably most famous, quote:

Madsen is the author of America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II, who said in a Hannity and Colmes interview, "I've written, making comparisons between Bush and Hitler".

The man certainly does not mince his words, like in the recent opus* on Saddam's demise:

It was announced by the Iraqi puppet government of Nouri al-Maliki that Saddam is to be buried in a secret grave. The U.S. occupation forces are still looking for someone to take custody of Saddam's personal belongings.

Imre Nagy was buried in a secret grave. He was reburied with full honors in a public grave in 1989. His widow received Nagy's personal belongings a few days after his execution.

If you agree with validity of Saddam - Nagy comparison, the Bush - Hitler will go easy with you, probably. Anyway, this penchant for showy sentences attracted me to Mr. Madsen.


* insert pic of Madsen here *

The picture above shows some kind of an overweight chipmunk doing his best to contain and suppress a humongous flatus. And it comes from Madsen's own site (see About). However, there is a sharp mind behind this misleading exterior. The problem is that there are some wires loose in this mind, and the result is a meaningless jumble of information. Follows an example of an "in-depth" analysis:

WMR has previously reported on Scaramella's connections to Michael Penders, a former counsel for the Environmental Protection Agency's Criminal Enforcement Division. More interesting is Scaramella's connections to two one-time former officials of Lockheed-Martin who participated in Scaramella's ECPP conference at Gaeta, near Naples, in November 2002. The two former Lockheed-Martin officials were Prof. John Siambis of MIT, former Director Division Missiles & Space Lockheed & Martin, Member HTWG ECPP (president plasma s.g. [the conference attendees had a special interest in the plasma wind tunnel at the Italian Center for Aerospace Research - CIRA] ) and Prof. Lee Lundsford, retired Director Space Transportation Division Lockheed & Martin. Penders attended the Gaeta conclave along with Ali Hussen, listed as the "Ambassador of Somaliland." Somaliland, the former British Somaliland, has declared independence from Somalia but it has not received diplomatic recognition from any other country. Scaramella's Somali connections dovetail with those of "Malauna Shaikh Abdul Hadi" Massimo Palazzi, the so-called Secretary General of the Cultural Institute of the Islamic Community in Italy who is also linked to a number of neo-Fascist and ultra-Zionist organizations.

If you are a bit delirious after reading it, do not be surprised: it is actually about the reasons to poison the Russian ex-KGB officer Litvinenko. But it does not stop here. In another article:

The source of Litvinenko's "death bed" photo, which was shopped successfully to the world's media, was Bell Pottinger, a British public relations firm headed by Tim Bell, also known as Lord Bell of Belgravia. Bell is a former Saatchi & Saatchi public relations guru who became Margaret Thatcher's top spin doctor who is now closely linked to top public relations spinmeisters in Tony Blair's "New Labor" Party machine. Bell, who is the top PR handler for Berezovsky, has also counted among his clients the late Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, South Africa's National Party (the party of the apartheid regime) (Bell's pro-apartheid PR counterpart in Washington during the 1980s was none other than Jack Abramoff), Thatcher's African mercenary-imbued son Mark Thatcher, the government of Saudi Arabia, News Corporation's Rupert Murdoch, Berezovsky's patron Boris Yeltsin, Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei, "Friends of Alexander Litvinenko," and the "democracy" campaign in Iraq in association with Dubai-based Bates PanGulf and the media consultancy Balloch & Roe.

I hope you are able to hold onto the last slivers of sanity, because yet another blow follows, from yet another piece:

With Scaramella now under arrest in Italy and all investigative roads -- the forged Niger documents, the kidnapping and rendition by U.S. and Italian agents of an Egyptian Imam in Milan, dirty tricks against Prodi, the Pentagon's pre-war connections to Rome-based Iranian Mossad asset Manucher Ghorbanifar, and the U.S. assassination of SISMI deputy chief Nicola Calipari in Baghdad -- now leading to Rome, Italy may hold the key to much more than Scaramella's dubious business dealings. That key may unlock the door of the identities of the actual perpetrators of the 9/11 and other terrorist attacks in London, Madrid, Beslan, Istanbul, and Casablanca.

There is ample evidence in the three passages quoted above. It is sufficient to either arrest half of the planet population for various crimes against humanity, or, which would seem simpler, to confine Mr. Madsen in a padded room for the time sufficient to cure him of the impression that he is a standalone cross-reference computer with combined capacity of all existing hardware.

Neo-fascists, Somalians, professor from MIT, Iranian Mossad asset, neocons, Boris Yeltsin, Nicola Calipari, Lord Bell of Belgravia, ultra-Zionists (of course), my brain if frying, mom i need some cold cat liver please mom do not leave me alone... where is that pink button i have to blow up zambezi WHO STOLE MY YELLOWCAKE AAARGHHH///)()#!((1.....

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I agree with Quest--AQ might be really skilled, but they are not skilled and connected enough to rig the towers and WTC7 for demolition.

This emphasis on the hijackers is just another telling of the OCT. They may very well have existed, but I don't believe any hijacking at all took place that day.
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I get the feeling that this board has been fully usurped by agents.

Giving any credence whatsoever to the fictitious al-qaida as an independent entity is pure perp propaganda.

This whole thread plays into that propaganda lie. thumbdown.gif
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that is the strangest comment that may have ever been posted on this site.
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While I don't know or necessarily agree with all of this info, I found it interesting that these were published in September and October 2001. Re: PSYOPS and Propaganda. We are completely manipulated, electronically.

http://www.public-action.com/911/psyopnews...plot_part1.html

http://www.public-action.com/911/psyopnews/

... about Atta & Amanda

http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/true-l...manda-atta.html

Finally: Thursday, May 05, 2005 (emphasis -bold- mine)
9/11 - The True Pill
- link: http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/05/911-true-pill.html

I've NEVER seen the like of the current propaganda campaign -now running full steam, ahead of the C-SPAN 2 broadcast by Prof. David Ray Griffin (The New Pearl Harbor) -this Saturday, May 7th at 2:30 PM EST.

As Fred Burks raved:

In his 80-minute lecture to a standing room audience of 400 at the University of Wisconsin, Prof. Griffin, one of the most respected theologians in the US, discusses his extensive research into the 9/11 cover-up.

But it is in Capital Times that we get to see what is really going on:

Americans interpret the events of Sept. 11 in one of four ways, Griffin said:

A first group accepts the official interpretation that Sept. 11 was a surprise attack by Islamic terrorists. It is easy for these people "to think of America's so-called War on Terror as a just war," Griffin said.

A second group accepts the official line but thinks Sept. 11 has been used opportunistically by the Bush administration to extend the American empire. People who hold this view often believe that America's response to Sept. 11, which has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, is far worse than the attacks themselves, he said.

A third group believes the Bush administration knew the attacks were coming and let them happen. It shows the government as "deliberate and cold-blooded," advancing its imperial designs while hypocritically portraying itself as promoting a "culture of life," Griffin said.

A fourth group believes that the government orchestrated the attacks. While no poll shows how many Americans believe this, polls in Canada and Germany have found as many as 20 percent of those populations do, Griffin said.

Of course, Group 4 are the really threatening, actual 9/11 skeptics.

They are the ones who can think the sinfully unthinkable. Groups 1-3 believe any old rubbish(PeakOil, Bird Flu, GannonGate). Clearly, that fourth group are the big problem for the opinion massagers. The core of their 9/11 strategy has been to try ensure that groups 1 to 3 are as large as possible -and that group 4 is marginalized as much as possible.

They have constructed an artificial Bell Curve of internet-based 9/11 opinion distribution -with Group 4 at the "extreme" end of the curve. They will now proceed to argue the group 1 to 3 positions for years in the alternative (lol) sections of the mass media.

Thus replicating their internet tactic on the mass media audience.

They spent 2001 to 2004 getting people in place for this 2005-onwards phase. Along the way, a key aim was to contaminate Group 4 with enough "extreme" material to damage the REAL 9/11 skeptics. After all, if Group 4 are extremists, they must look like extremists.

C-Span is muesli for the left. Muesli is best spoonfed.
Not the red pill or the blue pill. Just the true pill.

'The 9/11 Minority Report'
Why the 9/11 Movement was created
by, and is fostered by the very people
who carried out the attacks...

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Nonsense. One it blames outsiders and still supports this mythological global Islamic terrorist network. Not that I would reject the Mossad connections but it convieniently omits the very huge domestic operation. In thinking about Wayne Madsen wasn't the "don't taze me bro kid carrying one of Madsen's books thus identifying himself as a troublemaker to the police. All while John Kerry watched, a Skull above any other I say. Disinfo.
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QUOTE (Lasthorseman @ Dec 20 2009, 12:10 AM) *
Nonsense. One it blames outsiders and still supports this mythological global Islamic terrorist network. Not that I would reject the Mossad connections but it convieniently omits the very huge domestic operation. In thinking about Wayne Madsen wasn't the "don't taze me bro kid carrying one of Madsen's books thus identifying himself as a troublemaker to the police. All while John Kerry watched, a Skull above any other I say. Disinfo.


It was not a Madsen book, rather "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast -
link to Mr. Palast's website and his "take" on the incident: http://www.gregpalast.com/student-tasered-...stion-to-kerry/

A CNN interview with Andrew Meyer - the "don't taze me bro" dude:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/21575939#21575939

At 4:10 Mr. Meyer confirms the book authored by Mr. Palast.

This CNN clip is a classic, blatant example of the Orwellian programming propaganda perpetrated by media.

Clip starts by showing Meyer being subdued by several police, while screaming "don't taze me bro" and crying out in pain. Next it shows Meyer with his hand on his waist (negative connotation) - then it quickly shows Kerry as a "figurehead". The liecaster then mockingly says "Now, 21 year old Andrew Meyer, who was stunned by police with a tazer at a Senator John Kerry forum at the University of Florida says he's sorry" (note liecasters voice when he says "says he's sorry"). Liecaster continues speaking: "In several apology letters Meyer writes "I stepped out of line at the forum. I violated the rules of the forum and was disruptive" (liecaster alludes to Meyers complete contrition). Liecaster continues ... "Prosecutors say so long as Meyer doesn't later say he wrote the apologies to get out of trouble the felony resisting arrest charge will be dropped". (you better watch out and recant or we will get you)

More film of the incident.

Liecaster says "Included in the 300 page investigation videos from every possible angle".
(our surveillance is everywhere, all encompassing - you better behave or we will pulverize you)

Again more film of the incident with Meyers crying out and being removed by several law enforcement personnel. (Meyers is unstable, law enforcement will get you)

Liecaster says "even Meyers own handicam". (to confirm that Meyers is a fool because he filmed / implicated himself)

I could go on and on, sickening.

As for Madsen, I don't believe a word he says - just another gatekeeper.

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Lasthorseman:
Nonsense. One it blames outsiders and still supports this mythological global Islamic terrorist network. Not that I would reject the Mossad connections but it conveniently omits the very huge domestic operation.


Succinct point. I found this blog By Michael David Morrissey about the "Semitic" angle.
fair use, for educational purposes: http://www.opednews.com/articles/9-11-Anti...090907-590.html

9/11, Antisemitism and Denial

It is often pointed out that antisemitism (or anti-Semitism), meaning "anti-Jewish," is a misnomer since the word Semitic, strictly speaking, refers to a number of peoples, including Jews and Arabs, and a number languages, including Hebrew and Arabic. In the case of 9/11 conspiracy theories, however, the term is properly inclusive, since both Arabs, or Muslims, and "Zionists," or Jews, have been fingered as the culprits. The US government conspiracy theory, of course, is that 19 Arabs did it, and anyone who has looked into the subject will know that speculation about "Zionist" authorship of the attacks (and much else) is rampant.

More than enough has been published on the first conspiracy theory (by David Ray Griffin and others) to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that it is not only wrong but an outright lie. The second one has to be handled differently because, in my opinion, it is the manifestation of a mental illness that is historically conspicuous and still socially widespread. I am not being facetious, any more than I am when I describe racism and nationalism in the same way, and it is no surprise that these three illnesses, or syndromes of the same illness, are almost invariably found together. (Anticommunism used to be part of the same complex, but it has receded in recent years.)

One does not have to be a psychiatrist to analyze this disease, or its root cause, which is denial. In order to deny an uncomfortable truth, a scapegoat is found to carry the burden of guilt, a role which Jews have been forced to play often enough. In the case of 9/11, the uncomfortable truth to be avoided at all costs is that our own government (the American, US, government) is responsible, and if the 19 Arabs (or Saddam Hussein) won't do as scapegoats, Jews (or "Zionists") are convenient alternatives for many.

One example will suffice to support this point. On his radio show on Sept. 1, 2009, Kevin Barrett asked Christopher Bollyn the following question (my transcript):

"Well, your investigation has taken you on a path that's a little bit off the beaten one of the mainstream of the 9/11 truth movement, which has pointed towards evidence implicating high-level American figures, including, well, I guess Dick Cheney is everybody's favorite suspect, but along with Cheney I suppose Bush, other members of the Administration, and presumably the CIA , but you're arguing that actually there's primarily a kind of a foreign apparatus behind this attack, presumably the Mossad and perhaps an associated prime network out of Israel, and the reason that a lot of 9/11 truth leaders like DRG don't talk about this or emphasize this, I think the first reason is that they don't think the evidence is as strong. You know we have evidence that the US govt covered up the demolition of the Towers, we have evidence that the US military stood down or disabled its air defenses and we have evidence that Bush, in Florida, his Secret Service people at least, knew he was not a target that day, so there's the US Secret Service implicated, and we have all sorts of evidence against Cheney, so that seems like pretty strong evidence, and the question is, is there equally strong evidence, or stronger evidence, implicating Israel, the Mossad, and/or Zionists?"

Bollyn replied:
"Ok, very good question. Kevin, it's actually, the evidence to support my thesis is actually many times stronger than any evidence showing that this is any sort of homemade American plot. First of all, you know, as an American, I find it absolutely beyond belief, I cannot believe, that any group of Americans would do something like this to their own people, to their own country, and for what reason, to make some stupid, disastrous war in the Middle East? It makes no sense. The argument cui bono, or, you know, for what reason -- it strongly points to Israel."

We can skip the rest of this "argument" because whatever "evidence" Bollyn may have concerning Israeli foreknowledge (there does appear to be some, just as there is evidence of foreknowledge of Americans, Pakistanis, Germans, French, etc.), or even possible complicity, it is vitiated by his a priori exclusion of "Americans" as the perpetrators. This, as he says astonishingly clearly here (I would have expected him to be more clever), he simply "cannot believe." There you have it. This is the end of the story as far as this "truth-seeker" is concerned, just as it is, one must add, for many other Americans who "cannot believe" that their own government would do such a terrible thing to them.

I am not going to bother reviewing the many examples disproving this naive point of non-view (google "false-flag terrorism"). The point is that Bollyn, one of the most best-known and "respected" (that is, among his ilk) "anti-Zionists," reveals very clearly here that the basis for it is denial -- the "inability," which is to say the refusal, to believe that his own government is responsible for 9/11, despite the mountain of evidence that has accrued to justify this conclusion. No, Bollyn says, I "cannot believe" that. It is easier for him to believe that "Shimon Peres and his gang of nuclear criminals are the real architects behind the false-flag terror of 9-11," as he writes in his comment on the interview.

"Barrett asked me," he continues, "how such a small group can dominate and control such a large nation as the United States. 'They run the whole show,' is how I would answer this question in one sentence. They control the media that informs Americans, the law enforcement agencies, the courts, the money, and the political process. This control is maintained by their exclusive secret society, B'nai B'rith and their allegiance to their collective."

At this point, the degree of irrationality is such that virtually anything and anybody can be identified as the "small group" in charge, and indeed, many candidates have been proposed (e.g., Illuminati, Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grovers, Skull and Bonesers, P2, the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve, Freemasons, Martians, reptiles, etc.). Anything goes because the most logical conclusion, on the basis of the evidence, has been eliminated from the beginning.

Here too is the perfect illustration of how "anti-Zionism" (not to say anti-Semitism) fits hand in glove with nationalism. It is a a short step, in fact no step at all, from "I cannot believe Americans could do it" to "America First." (Go to William Fox's amfirstbooks.com and you will soon discover how racism fits into the same mentality.)

Finally, but not least importantly, all of this plays so blatantly into the hands of the primary suspect, the US government, that complicity, either alternatively or in addition to mental illness, must be suspected. If Americans are indeed the perps, what better agents for their defense could there possibly be than people who "cannot believe" that Americans could be guilty? With enemies like Bollyn, the CIA needs no friends.

The anti-Zionists are only one faction of the "evil elements did it" crowd. There is a broad spectrum of people who, less candidly perhaps than Bollyn, admit the complicity of Americans but in the end still find the "small group" of controllers if not outside the US government, somewhere secretly ensconced within it, infesting it like a virus, or as Peter Dale Scott (see The Road to 9/11) probably most convincingly puts it, parallel to it. I have referred to this as "Deep State Doublethink" because it is illogical, and Orwellian, to assume the co-existence of a Deep (bad) State and a Public (good) State vying with each other for power, as Scott suggests. Both of these contradictory ideas cannot be true. If there is a Deep State, it is the state, and there is no Public State; you can't have both.

With due respect for Scott's scholarship, which cannot fail to impress, it is unnecessary (albeit an intriguing academic exercise) to speculate about precisely who the bad guys are. We have a (nominal) public state, and we know who is supposed to be in charge. We know equally well, having been forced to this conclusion by the great preponderance of evidence (much of which Scott himself meticulously presents), that this is not the real chain of command, since commanders-in-chief do not order their own assassination (or their personal jets to buzz NYC as a "publicity stunt"), and it is hard to imagine GWB talking the Air Force into standing down for the attacks on 9/11. The evidence is clear; it is the conclusion that is lame. This too is denial.

I don't know how to fix the situation, but I don't think denial helps, whether in the most obnoxious form of scapegoating Jews or in the least noxious form of maintaining the fiction of a functioning democracy. Our society is moribund. It is on a fast track to an overt police state, most likely preceded by more 9/11's, more wars, more financial crises, more disease epidemics, and more holocausts of other kinds, unless we can wake up and stop the slide.
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