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Wtc Core Design, How were they built

elreb
post Feb 28 2010, 05:00 PM
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"WTC core design"

You could sure have fun reading all these pages.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/table.html

But start at Sub level 5


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SanderO
post Mar 11 2010, 04:31 PM
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So they found iron micro spheres in 4 dust samples. That means high heat events and explosive disbursement.

Did all 4 samples have the same ratio of iron micro spheres to the total mass of the sample?

If so do we assume all dust was uniform and can compute the amount of iron that was disbursed... ir was inside the structures when the were destroyed?

If so, how would the dust be so uniform?

If it wasn't uniform how can we conclude how much iron was in the structures or explosives in the case of the red gray chips?

It appears that in all three towers the high energy high heat events were localized ... somewhat. That is... most of the structures were destroyed by gravitational collapse... after parts of the supporting structures were removed. That would seem to indicate that the dust would have different characteristics depending on what it was created from...

What does the dust tell us?

Why didn't the paper burn?

Any thoughts?
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post Mar 16 2010, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (SanderO @ Mar 9 2010, 07:31 PM) *
So they found iron micro spheres in 4 dust samples. That means high heat events and explosive disbursement.

Did all 4 samples have the same ratio of iron micro spheres to the total mass of the sample?
Why didn't the paper burn?

Any thoughts?


I was intrigued to learn that the samples had the highest concentrations of metals ever found on the planet. I was particularly interested in the high amounts of iron and chromium. The reason for my interest was my knowledge of the concrete rectangular core structure and the rebar which was very special and strong having high amounts of chromium. High tensile steel.

This photo shows the only full length box columns of the towers. The north side inner framed wall of the exterior steel structure that was fastened to the concrete core walls. The sloping/curved top edge of the concrete can be seen behind the interior box columns, silhouetting the columns.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearspirewall.jpg) �

Then this image of WTC 2 at a very different phase of particulate emission. I suspect that the very dark particulate clouds over the south wall, the narrow end of the WTC 2 core are the steel from cutting charges detonating at 300 ms intervals, which equals free fall in 40 foot pieces.

(IMG:http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg)

Conforming to that hypothesis, are faint vertical striations in the dark particulate as if the particulate were being ejected at high speed from separate tubular ducts. The south interior box columns, outside the concrete core with their wide axis perpindicular to the cores long axis.

Perhaps filing cabinets were shredded by shrapnel comprised of hard stone aggregate and in the process some large bundles of paper made it mostly intact to the window exits.

BTW I have a copy of an extensive dust analysis that was around some years ago if anyone is interested. Here is a list of authors/sources of it.

1Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences Institute of New Jersey, UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School and Rutgers University, New Brunswick, New Jersey, USA;
2Department of Environmental and Community Medicine, UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, New Brunswick, New Jersey, USA;
3MVA, Norcross, Georgia;
4Department of Environmental Sciences, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, New Jersey, USA;
5National Exposure Research Laboratory, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, USA;
6Nelson Institute of Environmental Medicine, NYU School of Medicine, New York, New York, USA;
7Department of Environmental Sciences, Virginia Institute of Marine Science, College of William and Mary, Gloucester, Virginia, USA

* Introduction
* Methods
* Results
* Discussion
* Conclusions
Abstract


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- elreb   Wtc Core Design   Feb 28 2010, 05:00 PM
- - Christophera   The environment of evidence determining core desig...   Feb 28 2010, 11:03 PM
- - SanderO   That is not true. The film made of the constructio...   Mar 1 2010, 12:35 AM
|- - Christophera   QUOTE (SanderO @ Feb 27 2010, 02:35 AM) T...   Mar 1 2010, 01:10 AM
|- - rosewhite   [quote name='SanderO' You are wrong abou...   Nov 21 2012, 03:17 PM
- - SanderO   What do you mean it misrepresents the core? The c...   Mar 1 2010, 01:17 AM
|- - Christophera   QUOTE (SanderO @ Feb 27 2010, 04:17 AM) W...   Mar 1 2010, 04:31 AM
- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (Christophera @ Mar 1 2010, 03:31 A...   Mar 1 2010, 07:48 AM
|- - Christophera   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 27 2010, 09...   Mar 1 2010, 03:03 PM
- - SanderO   Case closed. Thank you!   Mar 1 2010, 09:39 AM
- - BADBURD   The lobby photo is hard to deny. I was also wonder...   Mar 1 2010, 10:52 AM
|- - Christophera   QUOTE (BADBURD @ Feb 27 2010, 12:52 PM) T...   Mar 1 2010, 02:55 PM
- - elreb   My first thought after going thru the blueprints i...   Mar 1 2010, 12:58 PM
|- - Christophera   QUOTE (elreb @ Feb 27 2010, 02:58 PM) My ...   Mar 1 2010, 03:06 PM
|- - Obwon   Regarding helicopter photos referred to as picture...   Apr 19 2011, 08:20 PM
- - elreb   Can ony one ID this photo?   Mar 1 2010, 04:23 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 1 2010, 03:23 PM) Can ...   Mar 1 2010, 04:50 PM
|- - Christophera   It looks from the south onto a remnant of the WTC ...   Mar 1 2010, 07:42 PM
- - elreb   So, I guess the upper right hand corner of the pho...   Mar 1 2010, 06:15 PM
|- - Christophera   QUOTE (elreb @ Feb 27 2010, 09:15 PM) So,...   Mar 1 2010, 07:54 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (Christophera @ Mar 1 2010, 06:54 P...   Mar 1 2010, 09:10 PM
- - elreb   What is a OCT joke? Something like this? A plumbi...   Mar 1 2010, 09:38 PM
- - albertchampion   perhaps i misunderstood wtc 7. wasn't it actua...   Mar 1 2010, 09:49 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 1 2010, 08:49...   Mar 1 2010, 10:56 PM
- - elreb   "WTC core design" …should include all “W...   Mar 1 2010, 10:54 PM
- - amazed!   Good joke, Elreb. I am totally unqualified to ...   Mar 2 2010, 11:20 AM
- - BADBURD   This is a interesting picture. Is that hallway abo...   Mar 2 2010, 02:01 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (BADBURD @ Mar 2 2010, 01:01 PM) Th...   Mar 2 2010, 10:47 PM
|- - BADBURD   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Mar 2 2010, 08:4...   Mar 3 2010, 10:28 AM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (BADBURD @ Mar 1 2010, 01:28 PM) Fr...   Mar 3 2010, 10:40 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (kawika @ Mar 3 2010, 09:40 AM) Tha...   Mar 3 2010, 03:35 PM
- - kawika   My next thought was to look for 1993 bombing pictu...   Mar 2 2010, 03:22 PM
|- - BADBURD   QUOTE (kawika @ Mar 2 2010, 01:22 PM) My ...   Mar 2 2010, 03:55 PM
- - elreb   My bad…you folks are correct. It was the Vista/Ma...   Mar 2 2010, 06:02 PM
- - Paul   Here is a copy of the original NY times article, w...   Mar 2 2010, 07:17 PM
- - elreb   Personally, we have no reason to believe that ther...   Mar 2 2010, 10:01 PM
- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE “…Nine diesel generators onto the tower...   Mar 2 2010, 10:44 PM
- - elreb   Visit Ref = KAWIKA: I must weigh in on the WTC...   Mar 5 2010, 10:38 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 6 2010, 01:08 PM) Visi...   Mar 6 2010, 12:07 PM
- - elreb   Paul or is it Mate? I take it that you are respo...   Mar 7 2010, 10:45 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 8 2010, 12:15 PM) Paul...   Mar 9 2010, 03:49 AM
- - elreb   Ok…I feel better now. Be it WTC-1 or WTC-2 the co...   Mar 9 2010, 10:57 PM
- - SanderO   So they found iron micro spheres in 4 dust samples...   Mar 11 2010, 04:31 PM
|- - Christophera   QUOTE (SanderO @ Mar 9 2010, 07:31 PM) So...   Mar 16 2010, 02:46 PM
- - elreb   “Beautiful works of art are made to last” Thus sa...   Mar 11 2010, 11:06 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (elreb @ Mar 11 2010, 10:06 PM) ...   Mar 11 2010, 11:36 PM
- - elreb   DoYouEverWonder, Do you realize that you have mad...   Mar 16 2010, 08:10 PM
- - woodbourne   Niels Harrit was quoted as saying that "likel...   Mar 18 2010, 01:51 PM
- - woodbourne   The core columns were not reinforced with concrete...   Mar 18 2010, 01:55 PM
- - elreb   The tallest concrete core building I have worked o...   Mar 19 2010, 08:41 PM
- - SanderO   The cores of the twin towers were not made of conc...   Apr 19 2011, 08:32 PM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (SanderO @ Apr 19 2011, 07:32 PM) T...   Apr 19 2011, 08:50 PM
- - SanderO   No it doesn't... the only possibility for even...   Apr 19 2011, 09:24 PM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (SanderO @ Apr 19 2011, 08:24 PM) N...   Apr 20 2011, 07:26 AM
|- - Obwon   Ah, here I found it, so in a sense I was miss re...   Apr 20 2011, 08:51 AM
- - BADBURD   Obwon I'm with you on the NPT but the core iss...   Apr 25 2011, 11:32 AM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (BADBURD @ Apr 25 2011, 10:32 AM) O...   Apr 26 2011, 09:37 AM
- - elreb   Rosewhite = Welcome, Please repeat your statement...   Nov 21 2012, 03:35 PM


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