Life After Death! Options

[lunk]

Boy…what a long read

Lunk, you should write a book. (really)

i was thinking of writing some sort of scientific paper,
combining the more congruent thoughts in some of my posts here,
but i'm not sure where to begin,
or where it would lead.

Sure, i'd love to, write a book,
not sure on what, though,
so many topics and subjects...

Probably, would have to be non-fiction,
but perhaps it could be tailored around a fiction,
as everyone enjoys a good story, at least.

Any specific suggestions?

[Tamborine man]

Hi Tam,

1) You of all people preach to “NOT” believe mainstream education.

2) There is “Zero” published scientific proof as to the age of the Pyramids.

3) The Sothic cycle or Canicular period of 1460 years is totally “Out to Lunch”.

I could completely accept your geometry of the Great Pyramid and any relation it may have to the Stars.

But only a mariner, as in a Pilot or Navigator would take an in depth concern into the Stars and the Planets.

Before 1500 BC the native “Berbers” and the “Bantu” in Africa/Libya could barely build grass huts, let alone anything more complex.

The Intelligence to build complex structures came from the Sea. Master Pilots of open water sailing originated in the “North Sea”.

Pilots go back to and before Minoan Crete and ancient Greece, when local fishermen, were employed by incoming captains to safely bring into port their vessels and products.

The Giza Plateau was an island during the flood season and most of the stones were carried by barges.

Local natives were lucky if they could build a “Huckleberry Finn” raft.

Nothing has changed. They still ride donkeys to work.

Change comes from the outside.

4) And to think, I thought you were English, home of the oldest prehistoric monument, oldest bridge and oldest boat!


Hau'oli Makahiki Hou,

Hi elreb, is that hawaiian or maori?

1) I still do!

2) That is absolutely correct.

3) I know virtually nothing about the other topics you mention,
so cannot contribute with anything worth-while unfortunately!

4) Actually my ancestors was the good old Vikings - the builders of
the most beautiful ships ever to grace the rivers and the oceans,
as well as the makers of jewelry - more than ever admired worldwide
for the unique artistery and craftmanship they were capable of in
those days.

Was born and bred in wonderful Copenhagen - in the land of the
"fairytales"! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

More Egypt and Pyramid stuff later.

Cheers

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jun 22 2010, 02:43 AM

[elreb]

Tam,

It is Hawaiian. June 21st is the longest day of the Sun therefore a “New Year” day.

You are the perfect candidate to understand the “Trundholm Sun Chariot” found in Zealand, what about 50 miles from Copenhagen?

Here you have a horse, chariot, wheel and astonishing art work dating to around 1700 BC.

But history does not indicate that horses were on Zealand at that time, therefore if true, these people got around a lot. Everything points to the Denmark region being the source of intelligence.

Herodotus had stated that Africa/Liibya had two native races; the white Berbers and the Black Bantu. (Yes, there were white Africans)

He went on to say that there were also two non native races; the Greeks and the Phoenicians. (Both Sea people)

I’m betting that the Phoenicians were your first generation Vikings.

(IMG:http://www.scholiast.org/history/denmark/solvogn.jpg)

[Tamborine man]

Yes, i viewed the Sun Chariot a long time ago now. Quite impressive.


But i think we should go back to the beginning of "civilization", which
started a much much longer time ago.

Here's a description of the first Empire that perished in the remote past:


".......
The empires destroyed in the remote past by mighty natural catastrophes varied greatly in size and culture.

The most ancient of these, in the Pacific Ocean, extended over the largest area. In the remote past it was geographically attached to the northern part of South America but later separated by volcanic eruptions and sinking of the ocean floor. The numerous island groups of Polynesia still show evidence of this land’s existence and, in part, of its location. This realm perished around 30,000 B.C. It was separated into larger and smaller islands, also brought about through volcanic eruptions and sinking of the ocean floor. The devastation continued for about eight centuries. The land was completely destroyed, all plant and animal life vanished and only the highest-lying areas remained. Later, because of shifts in the ocean floor, some of the submerged parts reappeared as islands.

This empire’s inhabitants were the ancestors of the Malayan race. However, the Malays of today are no longer of pure descent but have been greatly intermingled through association with other peoples and stand at a much lower spiritual level than that of their prehistoric forebears.

In ancient times, during the many earliest millennia after the Youngest had begun their educational work among mankind, the peoples of the Pacific empire were predominantly sun and fire worshippers. Though the empire stretched over vast areas, it was but thinly peopled. These lived in tribes or families of various sizes under the leadership of a chief. They all stood at about the same cultural level.

The eldest of the Youngest experienced his first two incarnations in this Pacific empire. In the first, he became chief, or leader, of the empire’s largest and most important tribe, which still stood then at a rather low cultural level. His mission among the people, therefore, had no lasting effects.

In his second incarnation, about two thousand years before the destruction of the empire, his rank and mission can best be described as that of high priest. By his authoritative yet gentle manner, he succeeded in calling to life among his people the belief in a Deity of Love. However, by that time the Eldest had already tried for millennia, and by every possible means, to undermine among the human beings the accomplishments of the Youngest. And as the spiritual influence of the Eldest became ever greater, polytheism prevailed and the “new” God, the gentle God of Love to whom the sun was dedicated as a symbol, became more stern and frightening in the minds of the people. He was elevated to highest god, and under the constant influence of the Eldest was made into a terrifying monster of cruelty. The symbol of this highest god was the all-consuming, all-destructive fire; and to satisfy the ever-rising demands for atrocities that the priests in the name of this “divine” monster imposed upon the people, the first human sacrifices took place, and over the years they became more frequent and gruesome. A much favored punishment for religious transgressors was to hurl them into a deep extinct crater. If the victims were not crushed to death by the fall they died from starvation, for anyone caught offering help was liable to suffer the same punishment.

The Titihua people (or Mlawayans) lived mostly by hunting, fishing and barter. Agriculture was known only to a few tribes and was not organized. The first primitive boat originated here, fashioned from dried animal hides. The bow and the stern were held together by plant fibres. The boat’s middle was distended by pointed sticks, it was steered by a forked branch and it drifted with the current along the rivers; oars were unknown.

During the destruction of the land, large numbers of the population fled westward. The flight took place in boats of better construction and better equipped than the earliest boat, and bore some resemblance to the boats of the Eskimo people. The refugees and their descendants arrived by way of the intervening islands at the eastern and southern shores of Asia.

Other inhabitants fled eastward and reached—also by way of the intervening islands—the later South, Central and North Americas where they became the forefathers of the indigenous peoples of America, the red men or so-called Indians. Some of the many types of Indian evolved from intermingling of the Titihua people and a primitive, animal-like people—the true aborigines—whom they encountered upon arrival in America. The inhabitants of Tierra del Fuego and the Eskimos are the most direct descendants of the aborigines of America. None of the Youngest had been incarnated among these beings and consequently the level of their development was extremely low, but they still ranked somewhat above the very first human beings in intelligence. This slight spiritual progress was due to the divine element every human embryo has been given following God’s endowment of mankind with spiritual life.
......."


A description of the second Empire follows next.

Cheers

[elreb]

Brother T-Man,

You can tell any story you desire. It’s a free planet.

Not exactly sure what you define as "Civilization".

Not exactly sure what you define as “Intelligence”.

In my story, the North Sea and the “Danes” (Dans) brought sailing, construction, a written language and intellect to the Mediterranean area sometime after 13,000 years ago.

13,000 years ago California was the North Pole and South Africa was the South Pole. The super novae of the “Pup” caused all that to change. The Earth moved, the Ice melted, the world flooded…then over time, everything went back to a stable environment.

But change caused movement. What was land one day was underwater and what was underwater was dry land. Take a close look at Florida.

On top of that, the planet was expanding, therefore land was not raising or lowering…just stretching.

I’m not even a Viking (per-se), but definitely Austrian/Bavarian and the ability to construct tools came from these people.

Indians and Eskimos knew nothing of Metallurgy. Native American people went from America to China…not the other way around.

You of all people preach to “NOT” believe mainstream education.

In a general sense, Danes are northern German.

Tam pull up your boot straps and defend you culture.

Love Ya-bro but get on the right boat,

Elreb

[Tamborine man]

Well elreb,

it seems this might just boil down to a little test about what makes more sense
to the people who are following this thread. Yours or mine!

Here's the description of the second Empire that vanished in the remote past,
followed with a map showing the exact location of the Island before its demise:


".......
The second empire that perished was a large island in the Atlantic Ocean, the so-called Atlantis. In the remote past this island was connected with the southern part of North America, but through volcanic activity it became separated from the mainland.

The island was shaped somewhat like a diagonally elongated, inverted “S” (the upper curve at the right and the lower at the left). Its northernmost point extended to about latitude 40 degrees North, longitude 34 degrees West. The island extended south to about latitude 25.50 degrees North, and west to longitude 47 degrees West, latitude 27.50 degrees North, and eastward to about longitude 28 degrees West. An imaginary line from the town of Plymouth in England to the center of the island of Trinidad would cut through the length of the island and touch its easternmost and southernmost points. Thus, the larger half of the sunken island would lie west of this line. The position given is only approximate, since major or minor upheaval and subsidence in the ocean floor constantly changes the island’s coastline. Investigations that might be undertaken would show it within the area indicated.

The area of the island was five-sixths that of the Iberian peninsula. The Azores, located north north-east and east of the island, were uninhabited at that time, but they had been connected with it much further in the past.

Some minor island groups were to be found between the Azores and the Iberian peninsula; there were also some small islands south-west and south-east of the Atlantic island, but all have disappeared by now.

This island empire went under about 12,000 B.C. by sinking of the ocean floor in conjunction with violent volcanic eruptions.

Earthquakes and volcanic activity ravaged the entire island for about ten months until the final terrible catastrophe completely destroyed and obliterated this rich and cultured land within a few hours. The final eruption created a deluge, the effect of which reached far and wide. The memory of this flood lingers still in the ancient legends of many peoples.

Polytheism predominated here also, but at that time without human sacrifice. However, animal sacrifice was customary throughout the island. The inhabitants were sun and fire worshippers. Culturally, they had reached to a rather advanced stage; the priests had no small knowledge of astronomy—some were astrologers or magi—and knew the planets from the fixed stars and how to calculate eclipses of the sun and the moon with fair accuracy; however, they believed these phenomena were caused by the interference of some evil spirit.

The art of printing made its first primitive appearance on this island, the priests having managed, by a form of hectography, to produce multiple copies of written accounts. A carefully distilled extract of crushed animal and fish bones was used, poured into flat earthenware forms. Closely woven fabrics of plant fibers were used, since neither papyrus nor parchment was known at the time. Impressions were made with a mixture of mainly burnt bone mixed with some adhesive substance. Pictographic text was mostly used, though ideographs were used in some places.

Agriculture, hunting, fishing and some breeding of domestic animals was known. A number of merchants traded with the surrounding islands and the nearest coasts of the main lands. Handmade utensils of clay were widely in use. Basins, bowls and vases were often engraved with ornamental animals and foliage and the grooves inlaid with brilliant colors. Gold, copper and some silver were known and utilized in the fashioning of jewelry and the better utensils and for inlays on carved wooden idols. Many of the idols were hewn in stone or cast in various metallic alloys. Architecture was particularly highly developed. Lyrical poetry was coming into being, especially as religious hymns intoned by the priests to the accompaniment of the beating of cymbal-like copper plates at the sacrificial rites. Death rites were practiced over the entire island.

The island was divided into three realms under a common supreme ruler. In one of the realms succession to rule descended by both the male and the female lines. The supreme ruler also served as high priest .

On this island the eldest of the Youngest was incarnated for the third time, as prince and high priest.

He was much beloved by the people because of his gentle and humane rule. He established a number of religious and ethical laws, but his attempts to abolish polytheism succeeded not. His incarnation on this island left few traces upon the culture of the people, since he died the same year the island disappeared into the sea. But his memory was kept alive through many generations by the descendants who had fled the destruction. He was regarded as a divine emissary.

Some of the islanders who survived the catastrophe fled across the intervening islands to the coast of North Africa and, slowly, through many generations, migrated as nomads eastward to the valley of the Nile, where they settled. Legendary accounts can be found in ancient Egyptian chronicles of a God of Light who for a time assumed human form. These accounts refer to the incarnation of the eldest of the Youngest on the vanished island.

A few of the islanders fled to the Iberian peninsula and were assimilated by the people living there; others reached Central America where they encountered descendants of the Titihuan people (or Mlawayans). After long and bloody conflict they succeeded in seizing and settling territories extending from the peninsula now known as the Yucatan, over the Isthmus of Panama to the north-western coast of South America. From those first settlements they spread northward to large areas of Mexico and southward and south-westward along the coast to the lands now known as Peru and the upper part of Chile.

Their original culture came under the strong influence of the Titihuans, especially with regard to idolatry and human sacrifice. The people from the island kingdom gradually merged with the Titihuans, their culture degenerated and their descendants, the Nahuacans, Aztecs, Incas, Toltecs and a number of other tribes whose names are only remembered in ancient Indian lore, never reached the high cultural level of the Island people.
......."

Here you'll find the true location of 'Atlantis' - as it was given by the transcendental world:


(IMG:http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8136/dsc01018j.jpg)


A description of the third Empire follows.

Cheers

PS!
Found a photo of a model of an atlantisian 'temple' which i will post later!

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jun 23 2010, 03:27 AM

[Tamborine man]

On the link below you'll find an incarnation account from Atlantis.

On the last page the last part of the account is covered by drawings
of the Temple, so i've tried to translate the missing passage as best
i could.

http://www.toward-the-light.net/Atzes%20Account.html


Continued from last page:

"....... The moment the golden ray of the sun-wheel feel upon the eternally-
flaming fire, fell upon Airun's bowed head, the High Lord of the Sun departed
from Airun's body, and the Ruler of all the Earthly Kingdom returned to his high,
glorious heaven.
"At that moment, Airun rose from the golden cushions on the temple floor. Slowly
he walked out of the temple hall, slowly he proceeded down the temple stairway
on to the outermost brink of the cliff.
Here he kneeled down stretching his arms and hands toward the golden, flaming
Sun-wheel. In the same moment, a mighty hand came down from the heavenly
vault. The hand lifted up Airun from the surface of the cliff, carried him across the
ocean's undulating waters, carried him toward the ascending radiating Sun-wheel -

whereupon I bowed my head deeply in front of the beautiful sight. When I raised
my head again, Airun had disappeared. That body, which for a short moment
became the abode to the glory of the radiant Sun-god, had gone, had disappeared.
The high Lord of the heaven carried it away from all earthly squalor, away from all
earthly sin and desire."

Atze fell silent. Then all kneeled down on the stone floor of the temple, crossing
hands and arms over the chest, bowing deeply toward the glowing low-flaming
fire on the alter. Clear from all lips sounded the words: "Mighty is the Lord of
heaven, mighty is the Lord of the earth! Low in dust we bow before your glory,
low in dust we bow before your power, before your wisdom ......."

Slowly the concealing curtain is again lowered.
Images, shapes and figures again becomes pale, colourless, bloodless.
Images, shapes, figures again glides back into the boundless dept of the distant
past.
The murmurs of memory has ended.

Atze has spoken."


Cheers

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jun 23 2010, 10:54 AM

[lunk]

I wonder if the sun wheel is the Tetragrammaton?

A geometric construct consisting of the iso-metric vector matrix.
That has the power to move heavy rock, and has thought to have been used in building the sphinx, and pyramids and the raising of obelisks around the world.

[Tamborine man]

I wonder if the sun wheel is the Tetragrammaton?

A geometric construct consisting of the iso-metric vector matrix.
That has the power to move heavy rock, and has thought to have been used in building the sphinx, and pyramids and the raising of obelisks around the world.

"The Tetragrammaton"??

I thought that was the name of God, as written, IHVH!

The word that is so venerated amongst the Jewish people
and is so holy and sacred to be spoken, that the pious Jew
had to say the name 'Adonai' in its stead!

Just found the following in the "Canon":

"The numerical value of IHVH is 26; but the number of the letters
gave it the value of the number 4. According to the ancient
computation, 4 was equivalent to 10 because 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10,
and 10 was equivalent to 1, because 1 + 0 = 1.
Regarded as the number 4 it typified the elements and cardinal
points of the universe, and consequently the Cross or Omphalos
at the centre of the world; it also denotes the Logos, and the bride
or tenth step of the Cabala - she who was the great mother, the
earth, and the city of the New Jerusalem, called Adonai by the
Hebrews.
Finally, the number 26 connects this aspect of the Deity with that
mysterious symbol, the Vesica Piscis, for the proportion of this
figure is 26 to 15.
....
This name was considered to be the same as the Tetractys of the
Pythagoreans, which they regarded as the foundation of all things.
In fact, by its various aspects, the IHVH of the Jews epithomized
the whole mystery of the old theology, and represents the body and
soul of creation.
It may be viewed as the symbol of God, seen in the sun, the earth,
the whole universe, or as the powers of creation, symbolized by the
three persons of the cabalistic triad.
...."

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Cheers

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jun 23 2010, 06:15 PM

[Tamborine man]

Here's the description of the third Empire:




".......
The smallest of the three vanished empires lay in the eastern part of Central Africa, just below the Abyssinian mountains (south south-west and south south-east of the mountains).

Here, the religious culture stood at a somewhat higher level and was quite simple and beautiful. The highest god, Ra, god of the sun and god of creation was also the deity of peace and love. Under him ranged a number of gods and goddesses, among whom Shunut, the god of fire, ranked highest as protector and guardian of the land. Human sacrifice all but ceased in the last centuries before the country perished. The people were extremely warlike; their ruler had subjugated many of the neighboring tribes and he held sway even as far as the vicinity of the lakes that feed the Nile. The last ruler of the empire was called Kharru—the dark prince, or more literally he who is dark and tall, he who towers over all others. The realm was called Khuum, meaning valley, depression or lowland. The largest city was called ‘Lukna-Tee-Ra, meaning the property of the god Ra, the city consecrated to Ra. The inhabitants were culturally less advanced than the Islanders, but hunting and freshwater fishing were known, as was to some extent agriculture and mining. Material for the great palaces of stone was quarried from the mountains and decorated with bright ornaments of lava in many different colors.

Despite the warlike tendencies of the people in relation to their cultural level, they had achieved a relatively deep and sincere belief in a gentle and just deity and their form of religious worship was superior to that of other cultured lands. The eldest of the Youngest was therefore not incarnated there, since the people would have been incapable of accepting and comprehending more than they had already received from the many Youngest who had been or still were incarnated among them.

The priests had some knowledge of astronomy, knew the orbiting of the moon around the Earth, but did not quite know how to calculate the eclipses of the sun and the moon. The priests also served as magi and no important undertaking was attempted without sanction of the gods. The dead were laid to rest in tombs hewn in the cliffs; rulers, priests, warlords, and members of the more prominent families were honored by special death rites.

The land was destroyed by a volcanic eruption about 10,000 B.C., and was buried completely under lava and huge boulders. At a number of places the ground opened in broad, gaping fissures.

Large numbers of inhabitants survived the catastrophe and fled northward along the Nile, and there in its valley—the later Egypt—they came upon a young, highly civilized kingdom created by the people whose forefathers had survived the destruction of the island empire (“Atlantis”).

The survivors intermingled with the inhabitants of the Nile valley, but although the people of Khuum were in the minority they succeeded in retaining some of their culture and imprinting upon the people of the Nile some elements of their form of worship, which gradually merged into the cult prevailing there that was based upon the memories and traditions from the peoples of the vanished Atlantic island.

Other fugitives migrated southward, lived as nomads, wandered from place to place, intermingled with much inferior tribes and finally became extinct.
......."



Some drawings from this ancient Empire together with an
explanation will follow!

Cheers

[lunk]

Nassim Haramein thinks that the tetragrammaton is actually, a physical device,
that can possibly be used to control gravity, around heavy things.
"A black-hole in a box", sort of thing.

[elreb]

I was looking at the “Star of David” and it looks like the male triangle with the point looking up, imposed on top of the female triangle with the point looking down.

I think the Pyramids tell us several stories.

It is constructed...like history...with one layer built upon another.

No layers are missing…everything is in front of you, behind you, above you or below you.

What is interesting is that Phoenicians did not arrive in Africa/Libya until after 850 BC (Carthage under Pygmalion of Tyre (820-774 BC) and thus there at the time of Helen of Troy and two kings before the Pyramids were built. (Pheros, Rhampsinitos then Cheops)

It would appear that Phoenicians are the ones who had the talents to engineer the Pyramids.


After Pheros, they said, there succeeded to the throne a man of Memphis, whose name in the tongue of the Hellenes was Proteus; for whom there is now a sacred enclosure at Memphis, very fair and well ordered, lying on that side of the temple of Hephaestus (Ptah) which faces the North Wind. Round about this enclosure dwell Phoenicians of Tyre, and this whole region is called the Camp of the Tyrians.

Within the enclosure of Proteus there is a temple called the temple of the "foreign Aphrodite," which temple

I conjecture to be one of Helen the daughter of Tyndareus, not only because I have heard the tale how Helen dwelt with Proteus, but also especially because it is called by the name of the "foreign Aphrodite," for the other temples of Aphrodite which there are have none of them the addition of the word "foreign" to the name.

After Proteus, they told me, Rhampsinitos received in succession the kingdom

Down to the time when Rhampsinitos was king, they told me there was in Egypt nothing but orderly rule, and Egypt prospered greatly; but after him Cheops became king over them and brought them to every kind of evil: for he shut up all the temples, and having first kept them from sacrificing there, he then bade all the Egyptians work for him….

This pyramid was made after the manner of steps, which some call "rows" and others "bases": and when they had first made it thus, they raised the remaining stones with machines made of short pieces of timber, raising them first from the ground to the first stage of the steps, and when the stone got up to this it was placed upon another machine standing on the first stage, and so from this it was drawn to the second upon another machine; for as many as were the courses of the steps, so many machines there were also, or perhaps they transferred one and the same machine, made so as easily to be carried, to each stage successively, in order that they might take up the stones; for let it be told in both ways, according as it is reported.

[Tamborine man]

I was looking at the “Star of David” and it looks like the male triangle with the point looking up, imposed on top of the female triangle with the point looking down.

Hi elreb,

if this is a sexual thing, then i've heard that it could as well

easily become the other way around! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif)

Cheers

[elreb]

Tam,

You are absolutely correct and it could also be a symbol of unity or equality.

If you look at the hieroglyphic for the sun = “Ra”, it is a circle with a point in the center.

If it were sexual it would look like both the top view of a penis or a nipple.

Perhaps, objects in space are “he/she’s” or” it’s”?

In life after death, there should be no need for sexual differences.

[Tamborine man]

Tam,

In life after death, there should be no need for sexual differences.

Absobloodylutely correct, elreb - and there's not!

The reproductive organs of both the male and the female

lies completely dormant while the human spirits are disincarnated.

Cheers

[Tamborine man]

Here's some drawings from the realms of Khuum,
with an explanation on the bottom of their meaning.

Also following is an incarnation account from the same Empire.

A continuation of this account 2000years later will follow with the
same people involved!


".......

(IMG:http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8527/img2445i.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3291/img2444s.th.jpg)


(IMG:http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3804/img2443y.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4237/img2446i.th.jpg)


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FROM AFRICA’S MIGHTY PREHISTORIC REALM.

Spoken by the spirit Pharaoh.



Pharaoh speaks.

Pharaoh will speak of the days, when Pharaoh and Fatis met for the
first time.

Two thousand years before that time, which the beautiful account
of Fatis lifted forth unto your wondering eyes, lifted forth from the
depth of oblivion, two thousand years before Pharaoh and Fatis met in
the fertile valley of the Nile, - Pharaoh and Fatis met for the first time in
Africas mighty realm.

The mighty realm of Africa is erased from the bosom of the Earth.
Pharaoh’s name was Kharru.
The proud ranges of the mountains, the lofty peaks of Hotep, shielded
Kharrus land from the barren plains of the sand-sea.
The sand-sea threatened Kharrus realm.
Kharru was ruler.
Kharrus beautiful city Lukna lay in Hoteps green valley.

Hoteps lofty, rugged frame towered over Kharrus beautiful abode.
Hoteps crater was opened.
Hoteps glowing torch rose and sank day and night.
Hoteps glowing fire-spirit roared inside Hotep.
Hoteps glowing torch almost darkened the golden rays of Rha, darkened
the pale light of Noh.

Kharrus beautiful city Lukna is no more.
Kharru loved Lukna.
Succeeding Princes of Lukna built Luknas proud abodes.
The Princes of Lukna built Luknas abodes - mighty, proud - of many
stone masses.
Succeeding rulers of Lukna used the many-radiant colours of the heavenly
arch.
Rulers of Lukna strew the colours of the heavenly arch over Luknas
Stone masses.
Black walls, white columns, green vaults.
Crimson walls, black columns, white arches.
Lukna, Lukna, Kharrus beloved city!
Kharru reminisce!
Kharrus beautiful abode, fashioned from black stone masses, was
adorned by eight blood-red, arch-bearing columns.
Golden veins were found in the red stone, found in the black masses
of stone.
Golden broad petals crowned the head of the columns.
The arche’s green vault covered Kharrus abode.
The multi-radiant starsun of Rha guarded Kharrus abode.
Hundred white marble steps led from Kharrus abode to Luknas lowest
valley.
Luknas warriors, Luknas people gathered in the valley, when Kharru spoke.

Kharru was evil.
Kharru was cruel.
Kharru was bloodthirsty.
Kharru loved the amorous women of Lukna.

Kharrus commander Amenutha was loved by Luknas people.
Kharru feared Amenutha.
Kharru hated Amenutha.
Kharru beheld Amenuthas tall, beautiful daughter Mutha.
Kharru bid.
Amenutha refused.
Anger overtook Kharru .

Kharrus loyal, tried and tested warriors gathered.
Kharru raised his hand.
Kharru pointed at Amenutha.
Kharrus warriors killed Amenutha.
Kharrus warriors led Amenuthas tall, beautiful daughter to Kharru.

In the green valley of Lukna, Kharru shared Amenuthas many treasures
amongst the loyal warriors of Kharru.
Kharru charged the warriors to bring forth Mutha.
Proud, veiled, Mutha strode forth toward Kharru.
Kharru raised his hand.
Kharru bid Mutha to lower the veil.
Slowly Mutha lifted the covering folds of the veil.
Kharru beheld the noble sight of mutha, the noble body of Mutha.
Kharru trembled.
Muthas proud sight, glowing like Hoteps torch, rested upon Kharru.
Kharru yielded.
Muthas proud sight burned Kharrus heart.
Kharru bowed.
Muthas curved mouth smiled with scorn.

Anger overtook Kharru .
Kharru raised his hand.
Kharru ordered: When Hoteps glowing torch radiates the brightest
against the dark sky of Noh, then Mutha will receive Kharru!
Mutha leave!
Mutha awaits Kharru, wait in Kharrus abode!

Mutha let the veil drop.
Proud, Mutha strode up the marble steps.
Proud, Mutha strode into the abode of Kharru.

Kharru was alone.
The warriors of Lukna, the people of Lukna hurried to their beautiful
abodes, hurried to their women awaiting them.
Kharru was alone.

The yearning women of Lukna never managed to call forth Kharrus flower
of love.
Muthas proud sight, Muthas scornful smile, Kharru did not notice.
Kharru felt the bloods voice.

Kharrus eye rested upon Hoteps torch.
The dark veil of Noh descended over Lukna, descended over Kharrus abode.
Hoteps rumble sounded in Luknas stillness.
Then Hoteps torch radiated the brightest against the dark sky of Noh.

Kharru placed his foot on the marble step.
Then Kharru staggered.
The valley of lukna trembled.
The valley of lukna opened up.
The abodes of Lukna trembled.
The abodes of Lukna collapsed.
The people of Lukna effaced.
The rumbling voice of Hotep sounded over Lukna.
The bygone spirits of Lukna whizzed in the darkness of Luknas.
The bygone spirits of Lukna menaced Kharru.


Kharrus tried and tested warriors gathered in Luknas lowest valley.
Kharrus many women rushed down the marble steps, rushed to Kharru.
Kharrus eye followed the women.
Mutha was missing.

Kharrus warriors, Kharrus women cried with horror.
Kharrus warriors, Kharrus women beheld Hoteps glowing torch.
Hoteps glowing streams of fire gushed over the craters rim.
Two blood-red waves, two blood-red embracing arms, Hotep sent down
the steep slopes of the mountain.
Two bloody-red arms embraced Kharrus abode.
Hoteps glowing streams united in Luknas lowest valley.

Kharrus warriors, Kharrus women fled.
Kharru despaired.
Mutha! Mutha!

Then Mutha calmly strode forth from Kharrus abode.
Mutha raised her arms toward Rha’s multi-radiant starsun.
Mutha strode calmly down the marble steps.
Hoteps glowing masses of fire met with Mutha.
Kharru saw Mutha light up like Hoteps glowing torch.
The glowing fire of Hotep swallowed Mutha.
Then Kharru collapsed.

Hoteps rumbling fire-spirit, Luknas bygone spirits punished the sins
of Kharru.
Lukna, Lukna!
Kharrus beautiful city!
Hoteps roaring fire-spirit, Hoteps mighty stone masses crushed you.
Lukna, Lukna!
Hoteps roaring fire-spirit erased you from the bosom of the earth.
Kharru remembers!
___ ___ ___

Two thousand years passed!
Then Kharru and Amenutha met - as Pharaoh and Fatis - in the fertile valley
of the Nile.
When the Greek Helena Mirjam beheld the radiant eye of Horus for the first
time, the proud spirit of Mutha took dwelling in the beautiful body of Helena
Mirjam.
Helena Mirjam was brought to Pharaoh.


Pharaoh and Fatis journeyed under the strict law of karma.
Pharaoh and Fatis were brothers.
Pharaoh and Fatis journeyed under the atoning law of karma.
Karma bid Pharaoh to love Fatis.
Pharaoh hated Fatis.
Karma bid Pharaoh with affection to love Helena Mirjam.
Pharaoh never won Helena Mirjams loving heart.
Helena Mirjam loved Fatis.
Pharaoh killed Helena Mirjam.
Pharaoh sinned against the atoning law of karma.
Pharaohs guilt was great.

Thousand of years have passed.
Pharaoh sought to atone for his guilt.
Pharaoh guided fallen human souls in under the atoning law of karma.
Pharaoh beheld much grief.
Pharaoh beheld much sin.
Pharaohs joy was small.

Then came Fatis’ day of atonement.
Your God mercifully erased Pharaohs guilt.
Your merciful God kindly allows Pharaoh again to descend to Earth.
None can measure the depth of Pharaohs joy.
Pharaoh needs to forget.
Pharaohs life-path lies bright and happy.
Pharaohs joy no one can measure.
Pharaoh give thanks to all!
Pharaoh give greetings to all!
Pharaoh has spoken!

After a moments pause there was added:

Fair woman from a Nordic country!
Pharaoh is glad.
Pharaoh borrowed your beautiful thoughts, your beautiful words.
Pharaoh is happy.
Pharaoh feel the joy to have spoken.
Pharaoh thanks Bettina for her word!
Pharaoh send greetings!

20th. December 1910.
Seance in private circle.
Produced through clairaudience.
The drawings produced through January 1911.


A short account was given about the connection between a part of
the Lukna-peoples and the Egyptians Idol-images, which is translated
here:

“…….
Rha, - the egyptians ‘Re’, was the Lukna-peoples uppermost diety,
Rha’s many-radiant starsun, symbol for the shining radiating sun itself.
The triangles entered in the flames expresses Rha’s allseeing eye.

Horrub, - the egyptians later ‘Horus’, the personified Sun. Horrub carry
the disc of the sun on his head, carry the disc of the sun in his hand,
both thought of as sailing in a boat, the sun in the sky, the earth on
the ocean. Horrub was the source of Life and who protected the many
life-forms on earth. Horrub borrows the hawk’s swift and mighty wing
so to quick as lightening move from place to place.

Noh, - the egyptians ‘Nut’, was the Lukna-peoples deity of the sky –
Mistress over the the moon and the night – Noh always carry the moon
on her head in eternal battle with the snake – the demon of Darkness.
The snake tries to destroy the moon. The snake cannot swallow the
piece it has taken from Noh’s moon. Noh forces it to little by little give
back which it has robbed. Noh was espoused with Hotep’s fire-spirit,
Shunut. Noh takes use of the fan she holds in her hand to blow away
Shunuts fire-flames.

Shunut was the special protector of the people of Lukna. He, who had
his abode in Hoteps Mountain – the peace-mountain, protected the land
against the mighty sand-desert which was laying behind the mountain
Ranges. In some places where the mountain ranges did not adequately
protect, the waves of the sand-sea broke in over the land and threatened
to annihilate it.
When the terrible volcanic eruption, Farao mentions in his account, had
erased Kharrus realm from the face of the earth, a large number of the
people fled northward to the Nile valley.

Shunut, who once was Lukna’s best protector and guardian, sank down
to become the prince of all evil demons. The fugitives cursed him and as
punishment chained him to the Hotep mountain, which in their memory
came to stand as the symbol for all horrors.
Shunut – The egyptians ‘Sut’.

The mild Noh was no longer served with having such a false and terrible
spouse; so they then espoused her to Rha.
The Lukna-peoples deity cult thus became the basis for the later egyptians
legends and myths, which though, must all be led back to Africa’s mighty,
Destroyed and prehistoric realm.

In Faraos account it is mentioned that “hundred white marble steps led from
Kharrus abode til Luknas lowest valley”. As an explanation shall it here be said
that marble did not exist in Kharrus realm. The people dug out many different
kinds of stone-masses in the mountains, amongst those a very beautiful, white-
yellowish half-clear stone with weak reddish veins. As we did not know how we
best could convey to the medium the appearance of the steps without harm to
Faraos beautiful account, I suggested Farao to say ‘Marble’, which closest,
figuratively speaking, gave that wished for.
The abodes of Lukna were also adorned with many kinds of decorations, made
of different-coloured lava.
…….”


With the translation above, i've tried to be as faithful as possible to match the
original danish words, but as i'm but a poor amateur without much poetic ability,
this translation can without doubt be improved quite considerably!

At least you can all get the gist of it, albeit without the artistic touch!

Cheers

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jun 24 2010, 10:59 PM

[elreb]

Ok,

Sometimes it takes me awhile to catch up.

What do you and Joseph Robert Jochmans have in common?

[lunk]

Originally, from my understanding, the Nile river used to flow everywhere through the Sahara desert, some people came into the area and contained the Nile river with banks.
Forcing the indigenous, population to move to Egypt, along the Nile, the only water and food source, and they became a slave population, for the ruling class.

...and that's how we got banks.
(like the ones that deal with "fluidity", and "flow",
and other, such, wishy-washy terms)

[elreb]

Lunk,

You are my hero

This post has been edited by elreb: Jun 25 2010, 10:12 PM

[Tamborine man]

Originally, from my understanding, the Nile river used to flow everywhere through the Sahara desert, some people came into the area and contained the Nile river with banks.
Forcing the indigenous, population to move to Egypt, along the Nile, the only water and food source, and they became a slave population, for the ruling class.

...and that's how we got banks.
(like the ones that deal with "fluidity", and "flow",
and other, such, wishy-washy terms)

Hi Lunk,

wonder if you got the 'Nubiens' in mind?

a propos the Nile:

(IMG:http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5823/dsc01020kr.jpg)

Made a mistake with the drawings from Lukna above,
which do not at all do them justice,
so will re-post them again one by one!

Cheers