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The US Government's Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm - embedded links in the original.


Declassified August 1958: "Mere fact that the U. S. has developed atomic munitions suitable for use in demolition work." Declassified January 1967, "The fact that we are interested in and are continuing studies on a weapon for minimizing the emerging flux of neutrons and internal induced activity." Declassified March 1976, "The fact of weapon laboratory interest in Minimum Residual Radiation (MRR) devices. The fact of successful development of MRR devices."


The factual evidence indicates that our government is using and has used 3rd or possibly 4th generation hydrogen bombs domestically and internationally. The evidence for international usage is not quite as strong as the domestic usage, but when domestic usage is considered, the international usage seems inescapable. The process of exclusion based on the known facts leaves only one viable option for the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings - a relatively pure hydrogen bomb.


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Just some of the facts are: widespread cancer in the responders, molten steel, melted cars, steel beams hurled hundreds of feet, aerosolized metals, vaporized steel witnessed and video, aerosolized and pulverized concrete, elevated tritium levels, vanishing (vaporized) victims, only sliver fragments of victims on roof tops, EMP - Electro Magnetic Pulse effects on communications, hundreds of eyewitness testimony of ancillary explosions by heroic rescuers and victims, massive dispersal of debris, demolition expert states hydrogen bomb needed for this type of demolition, audio of a massive explosion prior to collapse, video of ancillary explosions, audio of ancillary explosions, significant reduction in debris pile, ancillary thermate found in wreckage, shockwave of a mini yield nuclear blast knocked people off their feet, vaporization of 200,000 gallons of water, removal of wreckage without investigation, only remnants of fire in one tower minutes after the plane collision, unprecedented history of 3 skyscrapers collapsing secondary to fire, early miscalculation stating WTC building 7 'pulled', towers fall at demolition or free fall speed, foreknowledge of WTC 7 immediate collapse, slow-motion video evidence of plane appendage with smoke and explosion immediately prior to impact of both planes, unprecedented NORAD non response to variant flights, FEMA drill scheduled for same day, military 'exercise' of exactly what was taking place to prevent NORAD response, most of NORAD protection planes sent far away in another 'exercise' to prevent response, prevention of examination of wreckage by those assigned to investigate, seismic evidence of a mini yield nuclear explosion, Cheney takes over NORAD response command, Cheney prevents NORAD response, WTC towers designed for 757 collision and fire, 911 used falsely for previously planned war, government fabrication of 'evidence' correlation for starting war, hundreds of people found themselves trapped by locked doors and missing escape routes above and below the impact zone, and not all inclusively, but finally, Bush brands anyone noting any of these facts a terrorist.

The spectrum and percentages of cancer are massive. There are at least 4 classifications of blood-cell cancers: leukemia, lymphoma, Hodgkin's and myeloma. There are many more classifications of soft tissue cancers. There is brain cancer. There is breast cancer. For most of these there are subclassifications of many different types of specific cancer in each, so far not publicly disclosed. There are huge percentages of respiratory distress and loss of function. Multiple reports of 'irregular cycles' (miscarriages?). Most likely there will be several more types of cancer to follow. In particular, responders should be checked for thyroid cancer and function. There has been no noting of birth defects which also needs to be done. There is one thing and only one thing that can cause all these cancers and problems - RADIATION.

In response to this myriad of disease, a statement of environmental mercury has been claimed. That claim is not verified in testing of air and particle debris samples by private citizens and organizations. It is possible the mercury quotes are from the federal source of science, the United States Geological Survey's analysis of the WTC dust debris. The USGS's leached analysis did show mercury at the 3rd lowest concentration of metals at the mean value (mv) of 0.011 parts per Billion (ppB). The most abundant element concentration in the leaching tests was Strontium at 1,000 ppB (1 ppM) - 100,000 times more than the mercury value. It appears that the leaching of the sample was only partial and inadequate as the reader will see from the spectrometry values.

Why would only mercury be quoted when there were so many other more dangerous elements at higher concentrations than mercury? While the regular elements like Copper - mv 136 ppM, Silver - mv 1.66 ppM, and Vanadium - mv 31 ppM, some of the other significant elements were: Barium - mv 533 ppM, Strontium - mv 727 ppM, Cerium - mv 91 ppM, Yttrium - mv 57 ppM, Lanthanum - mv 46 ppM, Molybdenum - mv 11 ppM, Thorium - mv 9 ppM, Uranium - mv 3 ppM, Beryllium - mv 3 ppM, and Cesium - mv 0.6 ppM - partial listing. For readers that are not familiar with most of these elements, here is a link to their relevance.

There is also a claim of environmental benzene that 'permeated' the area in jet fuel as the cause of all of these problems. Once again, we have the quoting of the miraculous jet fuel that burns up in a massive fireball in the first few minutes, then like Christ's feeding the multitudes, still causes a massive fire inside that reaches the temperatures of a Hades that weakens massive fire proofed steel beams and trusses, then resurrects itself on the permeated ground to cause cancer in one hour of limited exposure.

In less than 1 hour, the first WTC building had collapsed and covered Manhattan, in at least 1/3 of a Million Tons of particulate debris. Unless the jet fuel makes a final appearance and is again resurrected by NIST in it's 3rd miracle, benzene is buried under 1/3 of a million tons of particulate debris after 56 minutes of exposure. Benzene is also a component of gasoline. The assertion that cancer was the result of 56 minutes of exposure to minimal amounts of benzene is ludicrous. If that was true, everyone in the US would be suffering from cancers. As the 3rd WTC building falls, Manhattan is covered in two Billion pounds of pulverized and aerosolized building.

Two billion pounds seemed like an extremely large amount of particulate matter from buildings whose total weight has been quoted at around 3 billion pounds. Debris removal has been quoted at 1.2 billion pounds. Based on these rough numbers 2/3rds of the building was indeed turned to dust or vaporized.

"Live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs." "One could cut away all the first-story columns on one side of the building, and part way from the corners of the perpendicular sides, and the building could still withstand design loads and a 100-mph wind force from any direction." Engineering News-Record, April 2, 1964


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Take a look at a collapsed 10 story building in Pakistan. Note the height and size of the collapsed building's remnants compared to the other 10 story buildings. The debris pile is about 30 feet, approximately 1/3 of the height of the erect building. This ratio is consistent with a collapsed building's rubble height. Note the almost complete lack of fine particles. The 47 story WTC 7's building debris should have contained at least five times (approximately 15 stories) the amount of the Pakistan debris as WTC 7 was also built with significantly stronger materials. Yet, WTC 7 remains are casually noted in the government propaganda article as a 2 story debris pile. Look at the Pakistan debris 'collapsed' picture again, then imagine that debris with 4 more piles on top of it and finally try to imagine the awesome power it would take to break it into 53 micron or smaller dust particles.
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The only estimates of the two 100 story WTC building debris piles are 'several stories'. In the very few area photographs of the debris piles published, the amount of debris in the range of several stories is minimal at best. There is also quoting of debris 6 stories high, however, if the reader looks at the rare pictures, the only debris of that height are portions of outer beam skeleton towering significantly higher than the general debris. Not one official measurement of the debris piles is noted. The building residue height is deceiving on 2 levels. First, all of the buildings had craters of a depth of 'several stories'. Secondly, since the craters were in tiered sub-level flooring, the area of the bottoms of the craters would be significantly smaller than the area covered at ground level.

In a failed demolition, a 20 story concrete building, Zip Feed Mill in South Dakota, of significantly weaker construction than the WTC buildings, takes a 4 story dive while the top 16 floors remain intact.


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Of the cumulative facts previously noted that deal specifically with a major explosion and it's effect, the only single possibility for all is a thermonuclear bomb placed by the US government. Even when taken individually, the only possibility for some of the facts is a thermonuclear bomb. The next logical step is "Do bombs with the needed characteristics exist?"

The government's answer to that question is a super-top-secret response that will not be given. Both political parties sequestered Operation Northwoods and more for 40 years, so they are certainly not going to answer the question truthfully. The following evidence clearly shows a mini yield semi-pure hydrogen bomb existed in 1958 and that it has had 40 years of refinement. The graphic in the upper right corner depicts the only published diagram of an atomic bomb in which public general knowledge of atomic weaponry is known. This is not the bomb that would be required for the WTC demolition. The bomb is a 2nd generation atomic bomb of the 'hydrogen bomb' category. The H-bomb pictured is not a pure hydrogen bomb which is actually very closely related to the already developed 'neutron bomb'. In reality, this 2nd generation H-bomb is nothing more than a fission bomb used for a trigger with hydrogen fusion used for extra power. This bomb produces the results of which the general public is aware - massive power, radiation and millenniums of radioactive devastation. It is at least 30 to 40 year old, late 2nd generation technology that has been phased out for lower yield 3rd generation atomic weapons which have a longer half life, easier maintenance and an inserted energy source.


Note the use of DU in the weaponry. DU is used as the casing and as the container for the fusion reaction which becomes part of the fissionable material. This is important in the current international 3rd generation H-bomb usage and the hybrid fusion bomb. At first it was believed that the DU casing and the DU fusion container would most likely not be part of the late 3rd generation or 4th generation weaponry used in the WTC demolitions as it is too dirty (long term radioactive residue) for the pure hydrogen bomb needed. However, subsequent information of dust analysis, hybrid fusion, old known facts of pure fusion bombs, early low yield semi-pure warheads, neutron bombs, and knowledge that debris would be removed as classified information makes either scenario viable.

According to brave activist, Howard Morland, in his article 'The Holocaust Bomb', second generation atomic bombs got their start in 1950 and came to fruition in 1956 with Eisenhower's announcement of a 95% clean bomb. In 1958 the Mk-41C was tested for a 9.3 Megaton yield, 4.8% of the energy was from fission with 95.2% from fusion. Less radioactive (more fusion and less fission energy) or semi-clean H-bombs were known then and were used for testing purposes only. The more powerful, mostly fission bombs were deployed for usage in a cognitive effort to produce maximum destruction on 'enemies' for generations and no forethought of the worldwide consequences. Among various other types of hydrogen bomb warheads, the W54 nuke was developed in 1961. The W54 was a micro-nuke that weighed 51 pounds and could be fired from a slightly modified ordinary bazooka. Different versions of the W54 ranged from .01 kt to 1 kt yield. Between the mid 1950's and the mid 70's both types (large yield dirty and small yield clean), of 2nd generation H-bombs were refined.

Focused nuclear explosions were envisioned in 1959 as a possible concept for propulsion of the spacecraft Orion. The mere directing of the yield was obviously known prior to 1959. Samuel Cohen has stated that a low yield neutron bomb may be tailored to direct yield and proposed the concept more than 35 years ago. An underground detonation causes shaping of the direction of yield as well.

Around 1960, the relatively pure H-bomb was modified for selective effects creating the first 3rd generation H-bomb - the Neutron bomb, Enhanced Radiation Warhead, or a mostly fusion bomb. The neutron bomb's energy was mostly based on fusion using Deuterium/Tritium with only a small fission component to ignite the fusion reaction. The neutron bombs are designed to release at least 80% of its yield as neutrons at the expense of blast and heat as compared to previous fission-fusion warheads. It was not until around 15 years ago that the existence of the neutron bomb was noted. It was during this period that a trial regarding Chinese espionage forced the revelation of the neutron bomb. Shortly thereafter, Reagan deployed the W70 version with a yield range of 0.8 kt to 1.6 kt. At least 2 years after the neutron bomb had been developed and tested, declassified May 1963, "The mere fact that the U. S. is "interested in pursuing" a program to determine the characteristics of an "enhanced radiation" weapon (neutron bomb)." The standard policy seems to be to develop the weapon, inform congress for development of the weapon and then to inform the public after they have been informed there is a need for the weapon.

Very little has been released about the specific selective refinements of 2nd and 3rd generation weapons in the last 40 years since their development. The fact refinement was taking place is proven by the Orion spacecraft and the neutron bomb. EMP effects have been another area of concern and refinement. While these effects were noted in 1950's testing, there was elevated interest in 1962 with the high altitude (HEMP) detonation producing a massive EMP effect. In November 1972, the following sentence was declassified: "The fact of existence of weapons with tailored outputs, e.g., enhanced x-ray, neutron or gamma-ray output, that we are hardening our weapons to enhanced weapon outputs and that high-Z materials are used in hardening nuclear weapons against high-energy x-rays." Note - the date is the declassification date, not the development date.

How small can a nuclear reaction be? Through hydrodynamic experiments for triggering fusion, extremely lows yield nuclear explosions have been generated on the magnitude of "several Pounds of TNT." As noted above, in 1961 .01 kt was unveiled in 1961. In 1956, the Tamalpais with a yield of 0.072 kt was declassified.
Prior to the demolition of the WTC buildings, the largest imploded building, Hudson's Department Store was 2.2 million square feet with 33 levels and required 2,728 lbs of explosive. The WTC buildings were significantly stronger than the Hudson's building, but it is doubtful more than a 0.01 kt bomb would be needed for the 47 center columns designed to hold many times the weight of the buildings.

This program produced (partial list) the following information for a regular 0.01 kt yields, air ignition: Fireball max light radius = 25.4 meters, Max time light pulse width = 0.011 seconds, Max fireball airburst radius = 10.6 meters, Time of max temperature = 0.0032 seconds, Area of rad. exposure = 0.12 sq. miles; Blastwave Effects: Overpressure = 5 lb/sq. inch (160 mph) radius = 0.09 km, 1 lb/sq. inch radius = 0.26 km; Underground ignition: Crater diameter = 56 feet with a Richter magnitude of 3.52. Thermal radiation damage range is significantly reduced by clouds, smoke or other obscuring materials. Surface detonations are known to decrease thermal radiation by half. A neutron bomb produces much less blast and thermal energy than a fission bomb of the same yield by expending its energy by the increase in the production of neutrons. Even the older neutron bombs produce very little long term fallout, but made considerable induced radiation in ground detonations. The half life of induced radiation is very short and is measured in days rather than years.

Summing up known information, an underground explosion of a pure (most likely) or semi-pure, Minimum Residual Residue direction focused 0.01 kt yield hydrogen bomb with selected enhanced radiation dispersal - most likely neutron since that radiation would be absorbed by the ground and building, and would decrease the blast and temperature effects.



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In 1993, Joe Vialls exposes some facts about single explosions that were very similar to the 2001 WTC bombing. The article, "Micro Nukes in London," notes the sudden usage of massive explosions in business districts by the IRA with a brief mention of the 1993 bombing of the WTC. In the supposed first mega-bombing by the 'IRA', an eyewitness stated, "The ground shook under our feet. There was a brilliant white flash and a tall vertical column of smoke." Significant information about the Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM - the general class of the W54 warhead). While the government was working on the usage of a conventional bomb to the corporate media, there was accidental filming of investigators of the bombing in full radiation protective gear. Description of the crater created by the second explosion reveals a hole 60 feet wide and 40 feet deep. Quotes of physicists' Galen Winsor, John McPhee and Theodore Taylor are prophetic for the usage of micro nukes. Taylor specifically notes the future usage of an extremely small micro nuke being used in the WTC in the year 1973.



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Another crater 22 feet wide and 5 feet deep is noted in the article "Bali Micro Nuke - Lack of Radiation Confuses Experts." Within 48 hours the Bali government found traces of C4 explosive. Next came the revised explanation of explosives on top of gas containers. After that failed to explain noted facts, the next theory was explosives with napalm. The final explanation from London quoted a reliable source that an IRA style bomb mixture was used. Still, there were significant problems with the story as the IRA had detonated 1,000 pounds of the mixture and there was no crater produced. The US bomb, BLU-82 - used for clearing helicopter landing zones in the jungles of Vietnam - contains 6.3 tons of high grade military explosive with an aluminum additive for increased heat, but does not create a crater. The 1/4 inch steel encased explosive is parachuted to its target and detonated 1 to 2 feet above ground. Approximately 40 people close enough to be vaporized simply vanished without a trace. Insights on Israel's .01 kt Dimona nuke are also related in this article. According to the information presented, the bomb uses highly enriched Plutonium 239, 99.78% pure, and only emits alpha radiation which is invisible to most Geiger counters.

Another Vialls' article dealing with the supposed vehicle bombing of the Australian embassy in Jakarta, "Zionists Nuke the Australian Embassy in Indonesia," reveals significantly more information on the nuclear attributes of the explosion. A surveillance camera caught the underground nuke explosion and is included in the article. There are pictures of the resultant mushroom cloud compared to a typical nuclear cloud. The crater left by the explosion was 18 feet in diameter and almost 10 feet deep. Pictures and information of the American Special Forces detonation of two trucks loaded with 1,000 pounds of Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil (ANFO) compound are shown. Multiple links to Vialls' special coverage of ‘terrorist's' bombings throughout the world are included at the end of his article.

Any terrorist truck bomb with less load capacity than 6.3 tons of explosive that creates a crater is a thermonuclear explosion until proven otherwise.

Based on the above information it is quite clear that our government has murdered citizens, friends and families. Our government used their tyranny to further destroy our God given rights affirmed by the Constitution and to extend their fascist powers worldwide in war. Once you have seen the facts, you can no longer say you are innocent of being an accomplice unless you act by trying to end the tyranny, murder and destruction by this government.


Either act to end it or know that you are an accomplice of traitors, tyranny, murder, maiming, and torture. The following three paragraphs will show you how and where to react to the extent of your degree of involvement. There are other ways to resist. Find one that is effective if you don't like any of my options. If you do nothing, you will never escape the disdain and dishonor of your inaction. Expect no sympathy when your name is called to be the next sacrificial lamb of this government's tyranny. The time is NOW for Action!

For almost a century, both democrats and republican regimes have eroded the rights of The People and strengthened the authority and powers of government with the assistance of the corporate press. The public can no longer vote for the lesser of 2 evil parties. Third parties have failed to form a viable coalition toward a legitimate national candidate. Those looking for return of Constitutional rights must unify and choose the best candidate for return of those rights regardless of political party affiliation. Currently voting is nothing more than a farce and will continue to be so until there is no longer a secret vote, or until the Brennan recommendations for electronic voting are enforced. Preferably, both voting reforms should be initiated to stop this charade of voting for a candidate.
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Update: The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm - many embedded links in original.

The Mysterious Craters:


A thorough examination the debris of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings reveals further evidence of massive power and heat - a thermonuclear blast. WTC 6 was 8 stories high. The total height of its central debris of the crater was about 30 to 50 feet below sea level and about 120 feet wide. Eight stories of building collapses and leaves a hole at least 30 feet deep.


Light Detection and Ranging - LIDAR displays from NOAA - Dark Green = 0 to -30 feet.

Another LIDAR map shows the central portion depth of WTC 6 in the range of -35 to -55 feet. Besides the crater in WTC 6, note the two craters that surround WTC 1 (perimeters are 30 feet deep and 250 to 300 feet wide) and WTC 2 (perimeters are 30 feet deep and more than 300 feet wide - some overlapping of the explosions). WTC 1 - 110 stories tall - debris pile 6 stories with a 30 feet crater surrounding it. WTC 2 - 110 stories tall - debris pile 6 stories high with a 30 feet crater surrounding it. WTC 3 (Marriott) - 22 stories tall - debris pile 3 stories. WTC 4 - 9 stories tall - debris pile 3 stories (the only building that is even close to its correct debris height). WTC 6 - 8 stories tall - debris pile MINUS 3 stories. WTC 7 - 47 stories tall - debris pile 7 stories. The New York times has a crude interactive map placing the crater depth at -30 feet. According to the official story, beams from WTC 1 collapsed the building. However, the collapse did not make a debris pile. It made a debris hole. (BTW, no supposed unspecified vague ‘scalar’ weapon can make these massive craters beneath intact debris.)



For those not as familiar with the WTC site as the author, a reference map is included.



The Persistent Hot spots:


Thermal images from September 16, 2001 show hot spots in the WTC 6 crater which persisted until at least September 18, 2001 as referenced by the composite illustration (below).





Somehow, this WTC 6 hotspot did not show up on some sites despite being taken on September 16, 2001

More than one month later, October 18, 2001, there are still hot spots at WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7. Is WTC 6 cool or merely being reported as such again?



More than 5 months later, February 12, 2002, WTC 1 is still hot.




Additional photos of WTC 6 and 7, click here.

The Pyroclastic Cloud from WTC 6?




Within two seconds after the dust cloud from the WTC 1 collapse envelopes the area around WTC 6, a dust cloud suddenly and violently shoots up hundreds of feet into the air. (There is a much better video of this event that shows the area clearly and gives a much better view of the dust cloud upheaval. The video is part of 3 videos shown simultaneously on 3 small tv screens (from 3 different broadcasters) that are no bigger than 1/20 of the available screen size. I lost the link (computer crash and have spent close to 30 hours trying to find it) while looking for a decent sized screen shot of the particular video. If anyone has the link for this site, please send it to me so the article may be updated with the best information available.)

The 16 Inches Thick Steel Cores that Melt into Limp Noodles and Partially Vaporize:

After the outer structure of WTC 2 falls, a portion of the central core remains standing for almost 25 seconds then it appears to melt and vaporize. Two videos of the above scene can be found in "The Strange Collapse of the Spire." The second video with a clearer view of the spire’s demise can also be seen. The cores at the base of the WTCs are 16" thick steel rectangles - each side is 4" thick. (BTW, there is no conventional explosive or thermate combination that can produce this effect. Nor can any nanothermate, superthermate, super-duper thermate and explosives combination produce this effect. However, this reporter is anxiously awaiting the "scientific" introduction of invisible, invisibly acting, super-duper, double top secret, stealth-micro-nanothermate as the cause of what clearly is a thermonuclear post Flash effect.)

Further evidence of tremendous heat can be seen in this 8 ton 6" thick I beam that is bent like a horseshoe without warping, kinking or splitting. A more comprehensive view of the I beam with an informative audio track can be seen here. (Again, there is no way for thermate to create this horseshoe, unless it is "miraculous" thermate. Nor, is there any unspecified vague "scalar" weapon that can do this even if the beam was isolated and not covered by some degree of 110 floors of concrete and steel.) Clearly, this is residual steel that has been exposed to massive and intense heat that is entirely consistent with a thermonuclear explosion and virtually nothing else can produce this single effect, let alone this and ALL the other irregularities.




The Elevated Tritium Levels:


The "well below levels of concern to human exposure" and "7 times less than the EPA limit" of Tritium in the environment are in actuality 27 to 35 times higher than should have been found in one sample, and 21 to 28 times higher than should have been found in the other sample. In spite of this fact it was deemed that no other testing was needed. In spite of the fact that no amount of radiation is considered "safe", it is merely "acceptable". This shows proof that even in the same general area there were varying degrees of dilution of the 10 ml samples prior their being collected and tested. Note that there is no notation about the size of the pools the samples were taken from.

The first few sentences of this analysis report start out actually dealing with testing samples. The report gives a value of 0.164 nCi/Liter with a standard deviation of +/- 0.074 nCi/Liter for sewer water (at least about 25% higher than should have been found). WTC building 6 samples were determined to have 3.53 +/- 0.17 nCi/Liter and 2.83 +/- 0.15 nCi/Liter. Then the report goes into pages of information have nothing to do with the study - the WTC, terrorist attacks, a "box model" that seemed to have absolutely nothing to do with determining the degree of dilution present in various areas, or any area, for 30 million gallons - or more appropriately since the study uses liters as measurement - 120 million liters of water. Sixteen million liters of water were dispersed throughout the site by rain and firemen had to dilute the amount of tritium present by varying degrees of 16 million liters of water. To find out the original concentration multiply the amount found per liter by any number from one to 16 million. Of course this completely ignores the other 104 million liters that may or may not have been dispersed as thoroughly as the 16 million liters previously noted.

The standard range for environmental Tritium is 0.1 to 0.2 nCi/Liter. Testing in areas other than the WTC revealed levels (less than) < 0.13 nCi/Liter. Ignoring the levels found in WTC 6 which were 30 times what should have been found, the sewer water contained 0.164 minus the standard environment range of 0.13 there is at least 0.034 more activity than should have been found after having been diluted 120 million times. This does not count the other areas of contamination levels inside the WTC that were 20 times that amount of Tritium activity and were diluted by varying amounts of 16 million liters of water.

The value of Tritium activity of sewerage water was reported three times - each time with a different standard deviation - 0.074, 0.74 and 74. The values for Tritium activity of samples in WTC 6 were reported twice with a different standard deviation - 0.17, 0.15 and later as - 17, 15. Without further investigation as to the correct standard deviation value, the data is useless. Perhaps, if the "scientists" had spent a little more time on reporting/evaluating what they were supposed to be doing rather than hedging, leading and biasing the information, they might have been able to report relevant and correct information. Insignificant things like the volume of the pools from which the samples were taken, actually taking more samples from the site than away from the site, or using the "box model" for evaluating the amount of dilution of samples from different areas. All of the facts presented regarding Tritium were taken from this government report.

The Discarded Ambulances and Fire Trucks: Too Dusty? Or Too Radioactive?



Click here for more photos of fire and emergency vehicles discarded.

More Cancers:


By the end of 2006, there had been 400 diagnosed cancers in the WTC responders. Of these 400 cancer cases there are 75 blood cell cancers. At least one Stuyvesant high school (located very close to the WTC) student has also developed a blood cancer. A short list of the varied cancers includes thyroid (30), tongue and throat (25), testicular (16), brain (10), breast, prostate, and other soft tissue tumors in other areas of the body.

Original Article: The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC

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The 'Traces Of Tritium' WTC 9-11 Lie Is Obstruction Of Justice By Accessories To Murder
http://www.rense.com/general85/911.htm

1. "Obstruction of Justice" - http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/obstruction-of-justice/ - "hiding evidence" is part of the classic textbook definition of Obstruction of Justice. To "conceal" or lie about evidence of a crime makes one an accessory after the fact to that crime. http://www.sagepub.com/lippmanstudy/state/oh/Ch06_Ohio.pdf

2. Trace definition as it applies to quantity: Occurring in extremely small amounts or in quantities less than a standard limit (In the case of tritium, this standard level would be 20 TUs - the high of quoted standard background levels.). http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trace

3. The stated values of tritium from the DOE report "Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center". "A water sample from the WTC sewer, collected on 9/13/01, contained 0.164±0.074 (2ó) nCi/L (164 pCi/L +/- 74 pCi/L - takes 1,000 trillionths to = 1 billionth) of HTO. A split water sample, collected on 9/21/01 from the basement of WTC Building 6, contained 3.53±0.17 and 2.83±0.15 nCi/L ( 3,530.0 pCi/L +/- 170 pCi/L and 2,830 pCi/L +/- 150 pCi/L), respectively. https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/241096.pdf Pico to Nano converter - http://www.unitconversion.org/prefixes/pic...conversion.html Nano to Pico converter - http://www.unit-conversion.info/metric.html

4. 1 TU = 3.231 pCi/L (trillionths per liter) or 0.003231 nCi/L (billionths per liter) - http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q2282.html - (My original TU calculations came out to 3.19 pCi/L, but I will gladly accept these referenced minimally higher values. http://www.clayandiron.com/news.jhtml?meth...mp;news.id=1022 )

5. In 2001 normal background levels of Tritium are supposedly around 20 TUs (prior to nuclear testing in the 60's, normal background tritium water levels were 5 to 10 TUs - http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q2282.html ). However, groundwater studies show a significanlty less water concentration: Groundwater age estimation using tritium only provides semi-quantitative, "ball park" values: · <0.8 TU indicates submodern water (prior to 1950s) · 0.8 to 4 TU indicates a mix of submodern and modern water · 5 to 15 TU indicates modern water (< 5 to 10 years) · 15 to 30 TU indicates some bomb tritium http://www.grac.org/agedatinggroundwater.pdf But, instead of "5 to 15 TU" (which would make the increase in background levels even higher), I will use 20 TUs as the 2001 environmental level to give all possible credibility to the lie of "Traces".

6. Let's calculate the proven referenced facts. Tritium level confirmed in the DOE report of traces of tritium = 3,530 pCi/L (+/- 170 pCi/L, but we will use the mean of 3,530 pCi/L). 3,530 pCi/L (the referenced lab value) divided by the backgroud level of 20TUs (20 X 3.231 p (1 TU = 3.21 pCi/L) = 64.62 pCi/L as the high normal background/standard level. 3,530 divided by 64.62 pCi/L = 54.63 TIMES THE NORMAL BACKGROUND LEVEL. 3,530 pCi/L divided by 3.231 pCi/L (1 TU) = 1,092.54 TUs

7. This is my 'fave' because lies tend to eat their young. Muon physicist Steven Jones calls 1,000 TUs "The graphs below show that hydrogen-bomb testing boosted tritium levels in rain by several orders of magnitude. (Ref.: http://www.science.uottawa.ca/~eih/ch7/7tritium.htm ) - http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters...he-Hypoth\ esis-that-Mini-Nukes-were-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf Yet, calls the EXACT SAME LEVELS quoted in nCi/L as "Traces" and "These results are well below the levels of concern to human exposure". http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters...he-Hypoth\ esis-that-Mini-Nukes-were-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf Interesting isn't it.

8. Thomas M. Semkowa, Ronald S. Hafnerc, Pravin P. Parekha, Gordon J. Wozniakd, Douglas K. Hainesa, Liaquat Husaina, Robert L. Rabune. Philip G. Williams and Steven Jones have all called over 1,000 TUs of Tritium, "Traces". Even at the height of nuclear bomb testing 98% - after thousands of Megatons of nuclear testing - of the rainwater tests were 2,000 TUs or less. <https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/241096.pdf>https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/241096.pdf

9. Over one year ago, Steven Jones, Alex Jones, Fetzer, Wood, most of the "BYU crew", most of the so called "911 Truth" groups/sites and indeed the public at large have been notified by me of the falseness of the "Traces" lie, but instead of promoting the truth and addressing it, have simply run from it and seem to be doing all in their power to suppress it. <http://www.rense.com/general80/prov.htm>http://www.rense.com/general80/prov.htm

10. It is also important to note that the tritium present was diluted by at least some portion of 1 million liters of water accounting for BILLIONS of TUs.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/136

Thermate, C4, Micro Nukes Prove 911 Was an Inside/Outside Job.
http://www.rense.com/general80/dprah.htm

The above are my opinion based on the proven referenced facts.

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Recently Declassified Video of Testing of the First Micro Nuke - The Davey Crockett - 0.018 kiloton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

This .018 kiloton micro nuke video shows that a .018 kiloton micro nuke could easily have been basically contained with the WTCs.

The data presented is an above ground detonation. Its crude design would have been unfocused and would have been no where near as clean as a 3rd (neutron) or fourth generation nuke. Based on this referenced proven data, the size of an underground, focused, Minimum Residual Radiation - http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm - micro nuke explosion could have been 2 or 3 times as powerful and still been basically contained by the WTC buildings, possibly as large a 1 kiloton, but believe that would be about the maximum that could be used and still be effectively hidden.

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Understanding The Scam of Thermite on 911' by Dick Eastman, Dr. Steven Jones

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/481

A simple rebuttal to the lunacy of http://www.rense.com/general86/therm.htm

This BS 'Bogus Science' has been addressed previously by me with a tremendous amount of factual evidence so I will not spend much time on this scam BS other than to post the previous referenced facts.

I will address one statement that is so rediculous as to be laughable in its ignorance and stupidity if it weren't for the fact it being used to hide/scam the real facts of the destruction which by definition are those obstructing justice and accessories to murder: http://www.rense.com/general85/911.htm

"This was scientific proof that beneath the rubble of the twin towers were extreme hot spots in which iron boiled for more than 15 weeks. ...it became clear that an aluminothermic reaction like Thermite was creating these hot spots."

Similar burn-rates around 350 m/s are measured for these "super-thermites" http://www.mrs.org/s_mrs/sec_subscribe.asp...p;action=detail A proven quote from my article dealing with the "The BS 'Bogus Science' of 'Explosive SuperThermite' Versus the Facts of a 'Deflagration Material'. http://www.rense.com/general77/geddno.htm

There are approximately 2,628,000 seconds in a month. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...04102842AAuCDvw 2,628,000 seconds X 3.75 months = 9,855,000 seconds. 350 meters X 9,855,000 seconds = 3,449,250,000 meters (approximately 3.45 Billion meters or 2,14 Million miles) of thermite length would be needed to burn for 15 weeks.

Wow, that's kinda long but maybe the super duper double top secret thermate was also super thin and they were able to hide 2.14 million miles of super thin thermate, so how much would it have to weigh?

It takes about 1 gm of enhanced thermate to bring 1 gm of steel to melting point - a one to one ratio. So how much would it take to bring 5 acres of land 15 feet deep to the 1600 degrees?

"at the US NIST, the average density of dirt is 120 lbs per cubic foot." http://ts.nist.gov/ts/htdocs/230/235/weigh...toryof105-8.pdf

There are 27 cubic feet in a yard. http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/....04/carol3.html So 120 lbs/cubic ft X 27 cubic ft = 3240 lbs/cubic yard

One acre is equal to 4840 square yards and your pond is 15 feet or 5 yards deep therefore the number of cubic yards is 4840x15 or 72600 cubic yards.<http://www.blurtit.com/q6688887.html>http://www.blurtit.com/q6688887.html We have no official numbers on the depth of the 1600 degree temperature of the 5 to 7 acres of land, but unofficial estimates seem to indicate about 15 feet, so lets use that.

3240 lbs/cubic yd X 72600/per acre = 235,224,000 lbs/acre. At a minimum 5 acres of land was brought to seering temperatures so 235,224,000 X 5 = 1,176,120,000 lbs. So based on these basic approximate calculations the 'super thin invisible super top secret super thermate' would have to have been 2.14 Million miles long and would to have weighed approximately 1.176 Billion pounds.

The 911 Traces of Tritium Lie is Obstruction of Justice by Accessories to Murder. http://www.rense.com/general85/911.htm

Other Referenced Factual Articles of Evidence

TCN&911WIJ - Thermate, C4-like explosive, a Nuclear device & 911 Was an Inside/Outside Job!

1. Three Massive WTC Craters - See us gov LIDAR proof: http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm

2. Five Acres of WTC Land Brought to Seering Temperatures in a Few Hours by an 'Anaerobic, Chlorine Fueled "Fire" - Impossible by Basic Laws of Physics. See us gov Thermal Images proof: http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm

3. Tritium Levels 55 Times (normal) Background Levels assessed a numerical value of 'traces' and 'of no human concern'. See us gov (DOE report) proof:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/141

4. An Impossible "Fire" (Combustion Process). See Laws of Physics for Fire/Combustion Process and Dr. Cahill's data on 'anaerobic incineration'. http://rense.com/general77/newlaws.htm

5. 3 Billion pounds of building instantly turned into 2 Billion pounds of micronized dust. http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm

6. 16 inch steel Spires that withstood 1/2 a Billion pounds of building falling on them and suddenly turn into limp noodles and partially vaporize. http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm

7. Hiroshima effect cancers in responders and locals. http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm

All of the above are facts are proven with referenced links of reputable data sources - many are from the government itself and more... Ed Ward, MD - 911 Related Articles - TCN&911WIJ - Chronological:

Bombs in the WTC Buildings Proves Nothing to Racist-Fascist Bigots http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/08/21/ward.htm
Micro-Nukes at the WTC http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm
Update: Micro-Nukes at the WTC http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm
Update: Proves Micro Nukes in the WTC ttp://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/04/16/ward.htm
Verifying the Source of WTC Tritium Levels that Are 55 Times "Background Levels" http://www.rense.com/general76/wtc.htm
Prof. Jones Denies, Ignores, Misrepresents Proven Tritium Levels 55 Times Background Levels http://www.rense.com/general77/levels.htm
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'Tritium?' http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/484

National Geoscamics has caused me to re-evaluate my position on 'thermite'. I no longer believe it was used to cut steel.

Take a look at this... http://home.att.net/~south.tower/911Demolition1.htm And the fact flexible contact linear thermite didn't exist then or now. However, flexible contact linear cutting charges have been around since at least 1995. Plus, thermite is hard to light, a timing nightmare.

1 wiring with cutting charges with explosiveback up, or

2 wirings one for explosives and one for thermite? and it's added problems? I don't think so.

But, thermite makes a great cover for a nuke. The amount of 'thermite residue' was fairly large (nothing more than rust and aluminum), and we all saw thermite burning after the crash/fire - according to NG jet fuel is hard to light - but thermite grenades would ignite residual jet fuel after the initial missile blast and would fit the thermite I saw on video.

Thermite is cover for the massive amount of nuclear heat from the micro IMO.

The only thermite I saw was one of the dinky thermite grenade quality.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/484

There is alot more, but that basically gets you up to speed.
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Short lived radioactive iodine was also found in the harbor. They first state it is not WTC related (I'm sure it is) then attribute it to urban run off.
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"We also found, unexpectedly, short-lived radioactive iodine, produced for medical treatments and diagnostic procedures, in New York Harbor sediments," says Sarah Oktay of UMB, lead author of the EOS paper. "This is most likely related to urban waste-water discharges and appears to be unrelated to the collapse of the trade center buildings."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/...30121081022.htm
In the same article they show elevated levels of strontium. The Berkely study of the tritum calls their study "Title:
Elevated tritium levels at the World Trade Center", not traces, ELEVATED.
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QUOTE (Ricochet @ Apr 21 2010, 10:46 AM) *
Short lived radioactive iodine was also found in the harbor. They first state it is not WTC related (I'm sure it is) then attribute it to urban run off.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/...30121081022.htm
In the same article they show elevated levels of strontium. The Berkely study of the tritum calls their study "Title:
Elevated tritium levels at the World Trade Center", not traces, ELEVATED.


strontium/iodine/ytriumand a host of other radioactive elements/iso can be semi explained with residue from normal destruction (monitors)/paint. Tritium has absolutely no explanation, since any tritium exposed to fire hot enough to melt glass, releases all tritium to the atmosphere UNLESS water is being poured over it during the fire. But, yes there are many 'questionable' excuses for the others. Tritium nails them.

Thanks for interesting link to berkley study. Iodine was probably covert ops spin for a dead end, most likely scenario is from a hospital dumping illegally or similar. Could have done without the science daily and their think tank covert op BS.

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if you are the Ed Ward who has written about tritium ( i have cited your work in numerous places), my hat is off to you sir!

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Heart calcification found in WTC first responders and workers.
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The study of WTC workers showed that men with ED were 53 percent more likely to have high-risk coronary artery calcification. The hazard ratio for ED was similar to other well-known cardiovascular risk factors such as smoking and hypertension. Coronary artery calcification is a known precursor to heart disease and can eventually lead to heart attack.

"Our study is the largest to date to establish the link between ED and coronary artery calcification in middle-aged men," said Dr. McLaughlin. "These data from WTC workers provide further evidence that erectile dysfunction is an indicator of cardiovascular disease."


Radiation is a known cause of this medical condition as evidenced by documented cases at Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Three Mile Island.
http://www.mdconsult.com/das/article/body/...05/1.html?issn=
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Results About 9600 participants died of stroke and 8400 died of heart disease between 1950 and 2003. For stroke, the estimated excess relative risk per gray was 9% (95% confidence interval 1% to 17%, P=0.02) on the basis of a linear dose-response model, but an indication of possible upward curvature suggested relatively little risk at low doses. For heart disease, the estimated excess relative risk per gray was 14% (6% to 23%, P<0.001); a linear model provided the best fit, suggesting excess risk even at lower doses. However, the dose-response effect over the restricted dose range of 0 to 0.5 Gy was not significant. Prospective data on smoking, alcohol intake, education, occupation, obesity, and diabetes had almost no impact on the radiation risk estimates for either stroke or heart disease, and misdiagnosis of cancers as circulatory diseases could not account for the associations seen.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/340/jan14_1/b5349
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Jones and Judy Wood were inserted to the truth movement to lead people down the wrong paths, away from looking at the probable use of nuclear weapons. I never fell for the thermite angle no the spooky beams. The architects of 9/11 used good old tried and true nuclear weapons.
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QUOTE (Ricochet @ Apr 21 2010, 11:53 AM) *
Jones and Judy Wood were inserted to the truth movement to lead people down the wrong paths, away from looking at the probable use of nuclear weapons. I never fell for the thermite angle no the spooky beams. The architects of 9/11 used good old tried and true nuclear weapons.


Unfortunately, virtually ever reform group I've found has been nothing but covert op, it's not just 911... Yes, micro nukes along with cutting charges and conventional explosives to provide cover for the nukes which made sure the job was not botched like the first time, eliminated all the convential explosive evidence, and left a virtual barren field of dust and steel. LOL, jones got me at first until I found the facts and knew what happened. Once you know the truth, it's easy to find the covert ops.
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I'm a little confused by all this data. Just a couple of questions..

1) from the photos taken of the debris piles immediately after the collapse, we can see a rubble pile that is some 6 or 7 stories high, which seems to correspond to the footprint of the towers. There are columns still attached in an upright position, presumably core columns by the look of it. I am a little lost as to the evidence of craters. Are there photos of craters? I saw the Light Detection and Ranging - LIDAR displays from your website pages but its not all clear to me, when and what i am looking at.

2) when i look at the towers exploding top-down, its progressive, and symmetric. How would a nuke(s) be used to achieve that downward progression of destruction?

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QUOTE (Ricochet @ Apr 21 2010, 11:34 AM) *
Heart calcification found in WTC first responders and workers.


Radiation is a known cause of this medical condition as evidenced by documented cases at Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Three Mile Island.
http://www.mdconsult.com/das/article/body/...05/1.html?issn=
http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/61/1/342


http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/340/jan14_1/b5349
Nuked.


Thanks for the additional referenced factual information.

Only known cause of testicular cancer is radiation.

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if you are the Ed Ward who has written about tritium ( i have cited your work in numerous places), my hat is off to you sir!

welcome aboard.


If it's written under 'Ed Ward MD', it's me. Thank you for your efforts to expose the truth. I've written about alot more than 911, a google of 'Ed Ward MD' will expose many more facts about the death and destruction of this government from family rights to 911. Investigating a murderous government for more than a decade.
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QUOTE (JimMac @ Apr 21 2010, 12:15 PM) *
I'm a little confused by all this data. Just a couple of questions..

1) from the photos taken of the debris piles immediately after the collapse, we can see a rubble pile that is some 6 or 7 stories high, which seems to correspond to the footprint of the towers. There are columns still attached in an upright position, presumably core columns by the look of it. I am a little lost as to the evidence of craters. Are there photos of craters? I saw the Light Detection and Ranging - LIDAR displays from your website pages but its not all clear to me, when and what i am looking at.

2) when i look at the towers exploding top-down, its progressive, and symmetric. How would a nuke(s) be used to achieve that downward progression of destruction?


If it doesn't have a reference, it's just Bogus Science = BS. I'm not interested in responding to BS. If it's written/covered in my articles try actually reading the information you are commenting ab out. I'm not interested in rewriting my articles for anyone to lazy/ignorant/feigned/whatever..., try reading the articles. Got a referenced fact that disproves any of my referenced information, I'm in, otherwise... not interested
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QUOTE (EdWardMD @ Apr 21 2010, 01:45 PM) *
If it doesn't have a reference, it's just Bogus Science = BS. I'm not interested in responding to BS. If it's written/covered in my articles try actually reading the information you are commenting ab out. I'm not interested in rewriting my articles for anyone to lazy/ignorant/feigned/whatever..., try reading the articles. Got a referenced fact that disproves any of my referenced information, I'm in, otherwise... not interested


I'll consider that a non-answer...
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well, there are obviously lots of un-answered questions. i do find it interesting that there were seismic spikes just prior to the collapses of wtc1 and 2 . haven't seen one for wtc7 though. i saw a chart somewhere sometime about the relationship between nuke yield and seismic effect.

imho, the persistent hot spot is the smoking gun for a nuke. the tritium level is the icing on the cake.

the sad thing is that i can only speculate about how advanced the nukes have gotten. the davy crockett was late 50's technology for crying out loud. they probably had isomer triggers back in 2001, maybe even a matter-antimatter device. i mean what the hell, if money is no object...
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QUOTE (EdWardMD @ Apr 25 2010, 11:45 AM) *
If it doesn't have a reference, it's just Bogus Science = BS. I'm not interested in responding to BS. If it's written/covered in my articles try actually reading the information you are commenting ab out. I'm not interested in rewriting my articles for anyone to lazy/ignorant/feigned/whatever..., try reading the articles. Got a referenced fact that disproves any of my referenced information, I'm in, otherwise... not interested



What the ...??? JM asked a couple of completely reasonable questions in a polite way - and EdWardMD, a newbie, responds with this?

Let me just clue you in, we don't appreciate nor tolerate this sort of attitude here. I just moved your anti-Zionist thread from the NorthTower forum to the religion forum. Now, I know Zionism isn't really a religion - maybe it's a pseudo-religion, but we don't have a pseudo-religion forum (and your post had several religious allusions within), so I stuck it in the religion forum. One place I know it doesn't belong is the NorthTower forum. Anyone who thought for half-a-second before posting could figure at least that out. But I have no problem with that, nor the content of your posts really - it's your demeanor. Here's how most people introduce themselves around here - they post in the Welcome forum and introduce themselves. They ease into this place. We get to know them, they get to know us. People that come here and start firing off posts about nukes in the WTC and the gods of Zionism should go to hell and talking down to people we respect and whose company we enjoy accusing them of being lazy/ignorant/whatever because they asked you a simple question without taking the time to read your articles, don't generally last long. In fact, I am inclined to just ban you right off the bat and save you, me and us some time. I mean, WTF is this: "Got a referenced fact that disproves any of my referenced information, I'm in, otherwise... not interested" ??? Talk about depricating, holier than thou crap from a newbie ... I just can't figure out where you get off. Why don't you just post your links, proclaim you know everything and your articles are the last word, and tell us all to f#ck-off? That is essentially how you come off.

Anyway, change your attitude 180 degrees and the people around here might let you stay. Continue acting like a royal @sshole, and I'll bet you they won't.

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QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Apr 21 2010, 06:09 PM) *
well, there are obviously lots of un-answered questions. i do find it interesting that there were seismic spikes just prior to the collapses of wtc1 and 2 . haven't seen one for wtc7 though. i saw a chart somewhere sometime about the relationship between nuke yield and seismic effect.

imho, the persistent hot spot is the smoking gun for a nuke. the tritium level is the icing on the cake.

the sad thing is that i can only speculate about how advanced the nukes have gotten. the davy crockett was late 50's technology for crying out loud. they probably had isomer triggers back in 2001, maybe even a matter-antimatter device. i mean what the hell, if money is no object...


I'm not a scientist, and beyond the physics i studied in University, i know beans about radiation isotopes, that said, i guess the radiation presence is one thing, and the way the buildings came down is yet another. I am only wondering at this point how the visual record (what we see) as the canopy of destruction descends, how that relates to use of nuke devices. Do you have a concept of that? If so, please share it. I'd be grateful!
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