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Who Is Ethically Responsible?, Are NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or AIAA responsible, or engineers?

dadeets
post Apr 21 2010, 08:58 PM
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I posted a topic under United 175 section, but probably should have posted it more broadly. Here is what I posted:

I submitted a comment to the AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) Aerospace America Forum. It is a monitored forum, so they had to be OK with the submittal.

Posted 19 April 2010
A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

http://www.aerospaceamerica.org/Pages/DiscussionForum.aspx

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IslandPilot
post Jun 24 2010, 02:22 PM
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Who is ETHICALLY RESPONSIBLE?

I'm from the "Old School", and still believe "Aviation Safety is Everybody's Business".

If that's true, maybe I have an ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY to wake up and TAKE ACTION, just like Dwain has done.

A long time ago, I must've been "weak minded" while working for a Part 135 Freight Hauler. My FAA Maintence Guy "Impressed" upon me, my "RESPONSIBILITIES" toward "Anything related to AVIATION SAFETY".

As long as I hold any FAA Certificate, (Pilot, Mechanic, ATC, AME, Airport operaor, etc), he told me
if I became AWARE of any ISSUE or PROBLEM that MIGHT be RELATED to AVIATION SAFETY,
That I have the DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY to REPORT, and/or to TAKE ACTION to resolve the SAFETY issue.
If it was a SAFETY ISSUE to be REPORTED to someone else; that I still had the RESPONSIBILITY to ENSURE that proper ACTION had been taken to resolve the ISSUE.

If I failed to take proper ACTION to address and resolve the Safety Issue, or didnt ENSURE it was resloved, I would be HELD ACCOUNTABLE, and could lose my license, and/or go to jail!

And it didn't matter what the "FIELD" or "AREA" of AVIATION SAFETY was... If I'm a Pilot who encounters an AIRPORT problem.... or if I'm a Mechanic who encounters an OPS problem... In the Air or on the GROUND... It is my DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY to ADDRESS EVERY Avaition Safety Related Issue I become aware of.

I do not subscribe to the idea of: "NOTHING HAPPENS, TILL SOMETHING HAPPENS!" that I've heard coming out of the "System" lately The idea of "burying one's head" or "looking the other way" or "not looking at all" until "something happens" is not how we ACHIEVED the WORLD'S SAFEST Air Transportation System prior to 9/11.

I came here from the Archetects and Engineers for 9/11 truth site. Over there, Mr. Richard Gage, a professional ARCHETITECT, gives a well reasoned and documented presentation, FOCUSED ENTIRELY WITHIN HIS AREA of EXPERTISE. He explains WHY, the aircraft that allegedly struck the two WTC Towers, and the building fires allegedly resulting from burning aircraft fuel, were not the most likely cause of the complete destruction of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7.

In conclusion, Mr. GAGE tells us that it is not IMPOSSIBLE for those aircraft and the burning fuel to destroy those buildings... Only that the LIKELIHOOD, or the PROBABILITY of, the aircraft/fire scenero in the destruction of the buildings is: "FAR LESS THAN ONE PERCENT (1%).

Those findings give us the TRUTH necessary to require a NEW INVESTIGATION to replace the FAULTY, DECEPTIVE NIST BUILDING PERFORMANCE REPORT.

Since it is LIKELY that INDIVIDUALS KNOWLINGLY provided FALSE INFORMATION; or FALSIFIED the information included in the report, they would be guilty of a FELONY CRIMINAL ACT; and should be agressively persued and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the LAW.

Our "issue" now doesn't have anything to do with that "C....Y" word. It doesn't matter if the buldings were destroyed by computer generated images, or 747 Aircraft, by Muslims or Israles or anyone else.... the issue is the FALSIFIED DOCUMENT we have been provided with, and the resultant Governmental Policy decisions which perpetuate the unlawful killing of innocent people, extending throughout the world; far beyond the original GROUND ZERO SITE in NYC.

All of us, PILOTS, ARCHETICTS, ENGINEERS, FIREMEN, etc etc. have the RESPONSIBILITY to put an END to this PERPUTAL, CONTINUALLY EXPANDING CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

I'm not an Archetict, or a FIREMAN. My area of EXPERTISE is AVIATION, so I came to this site... and we really have a lot of CRAP over here. Much of it is good information. But I fear some of the best information, especially on the "Utube" links I tried to access is FADING AWAY....

It is not unlikely for any perpetrator, credible terrorist, or others who are enemies of our FREEDOM to fly in our own FRIENDLY SKIES... may be working to sabatoge this effort...right here...

I'm here to help sort out good and bad Aviation related information within my ability and limitations to do so...

Ill focus some effort toward NTSB reports and documents, and look for "erronious" material in need of correction. I'm used to doing this kind of thing EVERY DAY.

As an Airplane Pilot and Mechanic, I must fill in required FORMS and DOCUMENTS as accurately as possible. If I cannot make any "changes" to information on an FAA REQUIRED form to obscure or falsify information already present, nor can I knowlingly probide FALSE information. It is a FEDERAL FELONY CRIME to do so.

And all FOUR of those AIRCRAFT allegedly involved in the EVENTS of 911 Generated extensive FAA REGUIRED paper trails of documents everywhere they went.... and if we're lucky. we might find some engine parts or landing gear parts or maybe a few electronic parts that are still flying.. or in scrap piles nowhere near NYC or CHINA.

I'm here, and I'm rollin up my sleeves, ready to go to work.

Island Pilot.



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- dadeets   Who Is Ethically Responsible?   Apr 21 2010, 08:58 PM
- - Bruce Sinclair   Great questions, Dwain! Please post any answe...   Apr 27 2010, 06:33 PM
- - albertchampion   from my perspective, it is worse than that. there...   Apr 27 2010, 06:49 PM
- - SanderO   As noted on another thread in these forums the evi...   Apr 27 2010, 08:22 PM
- - rob balsamo   Good work Dwain... Thanks.   Apr 27 2010, 08:39 PM
- - GroundPounder   bravo dwain !   Apr 28 2010, 06:25 AM
- - Sanders   People, most people for the most part (99.99% - in...   Apr 28 2010, 10:17 AM
- - dadeets   QUOTE (Bruce Sinclair @ Apr 27 2010, 07:3...   Apr 28 2010, 11:02 AM
- - dadeets   QUOTE (dadeets @ Apr 28 2010, 12:02 PM) ...   Apr 29 2010, 01:10 PM
- - rob balsamo   And for those wondering who Dwain "dadeets...   Apr 29 2010, 02:55 PM
- - SanderO   I've always said you are entitled to your own ...   Apr 29 2010, 03:34 PM
|- - JimMac   QUOTE (SanderO @ Apr 29 2010, 04:34 PM) I...   Apr 29 2010, 06:03 PM
- - SanderO   We don't have a democracy, we have a hypocracy...   Apr 29 2010, 06:42 PM
- - tnemelckram   QUOTE We don't have a democracy, we have a hyp...   Apr 29 2010, 07:13 PM
- - albertchampion   personally, i think that conspiracy is a very good...   Apr 29 2010, 07:13 PM
- - dadeets   QUOTE (dadeets @ Apr 21 2010, 08:58 PM) P...   May 4 2010, 04:21 PM
- - IslandPilot   Who is ETHICALLY RESPONSIBLE? I'm from the ...   Jun 24 2010, 02:22 PM
- - rob balsamo   Welcome to the forum. Please read the white bold ...   Jun 24 2010, 04:23 PM
- - amazed!   The practice of ethics in this country is at a ver...   Jun 26 2010, 12:06 PM


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