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NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"


06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.

Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:


A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?


The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.

Dwain Deets credentials and experience are as follows:

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career


It is established based on corroborated expert statements, raw data, and precedent, that the extremely excessive speed reported for the 9/11 aircraft is truly the "Elephant In The Room" and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

For summary of speed analysis, please see article 9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed.

To view the scene from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" analyzing the reported speeds in more detail, please click here.

For full detailed analysis covering the events which took place in New York City on September 11, 2001, interviews with experts, including analysis of "Hijacker" pilot skill, Black Box recovery and more... please view the latest presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has also analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack and the events in Shanksville, PA. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

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- rob balsamo   Nasa Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The " Elephant In The Room "   Jun 22 2010, 10:15 AM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   Excellent! Thanks Rob and Dwain! Is ther...   Jun 22 2010, 04:46 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Jun 22 2010, 05...   Jun 22 2010, 04:53 PM
- - datars   Cool! Rob   Jun 22 2010, 05:27 PM
- - ChrisPDX   Thanks for keeping us updated. It is always a plea...   Jun 22 2010, 10:02 PM
- - tinynate   Rob it's about time for you to come on with ch...   Jun 22 2010, 11:00 PM
- - John Bursill   Hello all, I agree with what Dwain has said. Not...   Jun 22 2010, 11:15 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (John Bursill @ Jun 23 2010, 12:15 ...   Jun 23 2010, 01:41 AM
- - John Bursill   Hello Rob, I agree with Deets's argument in i...   Jun 23 2010, 03:13 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (John Bursill @ Jun 23 2010, 04:13 ...   Jun 23 2010, 03:43 AM
||- - Obwon   Hi Rob: The naysayers continue to argue ...   Jun 23 2010, 09:06 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (John Bursill @ Jun 23 2010, 04:13 ...   Jun 26 2010, 04:36 AM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 26 2010, 10:36 A...   Jun 26 2010, 05:31 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Dennis Cimino @ Jun 26 2010, 06:31...   Jun 26 2010, 05:55 AM
- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   I remember the question of speed was the very ques...   Jun 23 2010, 05:38 AM
- - JohnS   Where does the figure of 360 knots max operating s...   Jun 23 2010, 08:46 AM
- - rob balsamo   http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance...%20Re...   Jun 23 2010, 08:56 AM
- - rob balsamo   Please all, if you havent viewed the presentation,...   Jun 23 2010, 09:14 AM
- - RickMason   This is great! Things seemed to be slowing dow...   Jun 23 2010, 11:08 AM
- - amazed!   I'm glad that Mr. Deet has gone on the record....   Jun 23 2010, 03:08 PM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   Rob, I haven't touched on this much. But I ha...   Jun 23 2010, 06:28 PM
- - SlackerSlayer   So the 757 and 767 frames can not take those force...   Jun 23 2010, 07:30 PM
|- - tekirdag   I think you are really grasping a straws here. ...   Jun 23 2010, 08:46 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (tekirdag @ Jun 23 2010, 09:46 PM) ...   Jun 23 2010, 10:05 PM
||- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (tekirdag @ Jun 24 2010, 02:46 AM) ...   Jun 24 2010, 07:37 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (SlackerSlayer @ Jun 23 2010, 06:30...   Jun 23 2010, 11:25 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (John Bursill)What I think Deets is getting ...   Jun 24 2010, 11:12 AM
- - amazed!   It is true that airspeed limitations CAN be exceed...   Jun 24 2010, 03:20 PM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (amazed! @ Jun 24 2010, 04:20 P...   Jun 25 2010, 08:52 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (Obwon @ Jun 25 2010, 02:52 PM) Tha...   Jun 25 2010, 09:30 AM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jun 25 2010, 10:30...   Jun 26 2010, 11:08 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Obwon @ Jun 26 2010, 12:08 PM) Tha...   Jun 26 2010, 11:16 AM
||- - Obwon   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 26 2010, 12:16 P...   Jun 27 2010, 08:54 AM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (Obwon @ Jun 26 2010, 05:08 PM) Tha...   Jun 29 2010, 02:33 AM
- - lex   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 22 2010, 10:15 A...   Jun 24 2010, 03:34 PM
- - lex   all i know is that jumbo jets do not vapourize on ...   Jun 24 2010, 03:36 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (lex @ Jun 24 2010, 04:36 PM) all i...   Jun 24 2010, 04:20 PM
- - elreb   Rob, Do you have a thread for blithering idiots? ...   Jun 24 2010, 04:08 PM
- - JohnS   Thanks for the link, Rob. I have seen the present...   Jun 24 2010, 06:16 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (JohnS @ Jun 24 2010, 07:16 PM) Tha...   Jun 24 2010, 07:38 PM
- - SanderO   I don't know why no one has done a pixel trace...   Jun 24 2010, 08:12 PM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (SanderO @ Jun 25 2010, 02:12 AM) I...   Jun 24 2010, 08:33 PM
- - Maha Mantra   As mentioned, it should be fairly easy to time the...   Jun 25 2010, 03:43 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (Maha Mantra @ Jun 25 2010, 04:43 P...   Jun 26 2010, 07:06 AM
|- - SanderO   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jun 26 2010, 08...   Jun 27 2010, 09:29 AM
- - amazed!   Maha The USAF took delivery of about 25 Boeings b...   Jun 26 2010, 12:03 PM
- - rob balsamo   Email sent to me from Ted Muga in reply to this wh...   Jun 26 2010, 07:22 PM
- - Dennis Cimino   First, I have read the blog at 911blogger.com, and...   Jun 27 2010, 12:25 AM
- - aerohead   Can someone please give Bursill a helmet. If a p...   Jun 27 2010, 03:30 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE When guys like Bursill come in here, or over...   Jun 27 2010, 08:16 AM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jun 27 2010, 09:16...   Jun 27 2010, 09:34 AM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jun 27 2010, 02:16...   Jun 27 2010, 08:57 PM
- - rob balsamo   NPT conversation split and merged here... http://...   Jun 27 2010, 09:53 AM
- - SanderO   I have trouble with the term "dis-information...   Jun 27 2010, 09:59 AM
- - aerohead   What is true and what is not........ Yes the trut...   Jun 27 2010, 01:51 PM
- - onesliceshort   SanderO, I know what you mean by throwing the accu...   Jun 27 2010, 03:24 PM
- - SanderO   Establishing what is an indisputable fact is the i...   Jun 27 2010, 08:49 PM
- - SanderO   911 Blogger is controlled by people with an agenda...   Jun 27 2010, 09:49 PM
- - rob balsamo   Hi All, I am glad to see this article is sparking...   Jun 27 2010, 11:32 PM
- - rob balsamo   Continued WTC Collapse discussion split and moved ...   Jun 28 2010, 06:25 AM
- - Obwon   Now, as Rob suggests, back to the topic at hand:...   Jun 28 2010, 06:49 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Obwon @ Jun 28 2010, 07:49 AM) Now...   Jun 28 2010, 08:11 AM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 28 2010, 09:11 A...   Jun 29 2010, 06:29 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 26 2010, 12:11 P...   Jun 30 2010, 02:49 PM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jun 30 2010, 08:49 P...   Jun 30 2010, 08:49 PM
- - aerohead   There is no doubt in my mind what this was. Nothwo...   Jun 28 2010, 03:34 PM
- - elreb   Personally, I do not see any plane “Swaps”. We kn...   Jun 28 2010, 05:01 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (elreb @ Jun 28 2010, 06:01 PM) I w...   Jun 28 2010, 08:54 PM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 29 2010, 02:54 A...   Jun 29 2010, 01:36 AM
|- - aerohead   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 28 2010, 09:54 P...   Jun 29 2010, 02:04 AM
- - SanderO   If the planes were not the claimed ones and they w...   Jun 28 2010, 05:53 PM
- - elreb   I want to stay as close on subject as possible and...   Jun 28 2010, 06:32 PM
- - elreb   Rob, things just happen… Anne Tatlock found out a...   Jun 28 2010, 09:35 PM
- - Dennis Cimino   Re 'the flight crew deciding to carry out the ...   Jun 29 2010, 04:38 AM
- - elreb   One minor fact that I found interesting is that th...   Jun 29 2010, 02:28 PM
- - Dennis Cimino   You guys really astound me with your stuff, and it...   Jun 30 2010, 03:27 AM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (Dennis Cimino @ Jun 30 2010, 04:27...   Jun 30 2010, 06:51 AM
- - Dennis Cimino   Actually, Obwon, you do hit some things on the hea...   Jun 30 2010, 12:25 PM
- - paranoia   QUOTE 'The Catcher's Mit' portion of t...   Jun 30 2010, 01:04 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jun 30 2010, 02:04 PM) ...   Jun 30 2010, 01:07 PM
- - aerohead   Heres the thing. Even if the standard plane coul...   Jun 30 2010, 02:56 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (aerohead @ Jun 30 2010, 03:56 PM) ...   Jun 30 2010, 03:08 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 28 2010, 07:08 P...   Jul 1 2010, 07:13 AM
- - rob balsamo   Here is a short interview I did today with Dwain D...   Jun 30 2010, 04:56 PM
- - elreb   In western history, I rarely let Wikipedia get awa...   Jun 30 2010, 07:48 PM
- - rob balsamo   Seems wikipedia doesnt like to source govt provide...   Jun 30 2010, 07:52 PM
- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   Looks like some of the structures can withstand qu...   Jun 30 2010, 08:04 PM
- - elreb   The NTSB data should be good enough to submit as a...   Jun 30 2010, 08:08 PM
- - amazed!   Some great conversation here! I agree with...   Jun 30 2010, 08:40 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (amazed! @ Jun 28 2010, 11:40 P...   Jul 1 2010, 05:23 AM
- - amazed!   Thanks for the links, Omega. Systems Planning Cor...   Jul 1 2010, 02:41 PM
- - Obwon   Ah, Northwoods = PNAC no surprise. Like the prose...   Jul 1 2010, 03:46 PM
- - panthercat   Alas, I wasn't the one who got to break our fl...   Jul 1 2010, 05:13 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (panthercat @ Jun 29 2010, 09:13 PM...   Jul 2 2010, 04:57 AM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (panthercat @ Jul 1 2010, 06:13 PM)...   Jul 2 2010, 07:27 AM
- - elreb   This was one of my old points that even if the pla...   Jul 1 2010, 05:53 PM
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