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[rob balsamo]

NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"


06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.

Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:

A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.

Dwain Deets credentials and experience are as follows:

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career

It is established based on corroborated expert statements, raw data, and precedent, that the extremely excessive speed reported for the 9/11 aircraft is truly the "Elephant In The Room" and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

For summary of speed analysis, please see article 9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed.

To view the scene from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" analyzing the reported speeds in more detail, please click here.

For full detailed analysis covering the events which took place in New York City on September 11, 2001, interviews with experts, including analysis of "Hijacker" pilot skill, Black Box recovery and more... please view the latest presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has also analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack and the events in Shanksville, PA. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list.

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[onesliceshort]

When guys like Bursill come in here, or over at 911blogger, and, not unlike Hordon, 'just hatchet job' us and claim we don't know what we're talking about, it's now time to say to those individuals; "okay, xerox your flight logs, and send them to us for examination" at the very least. If you don't have any, don't be in here maligning and attacking us. We neither deserve that crap, nor will we put up with it, when you clearly, obviously, do NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE with regard to airplane flight regimes and hence, their aerodynamic limitations.

It's that simple. If you don't have the credentials, don't swing a broad axe at people who forgot more about airplanes and systems on them than you will ever in your wildest dreams ever, ever learn or know!

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Posts like this put more fuel in my tank.

Cheers!

[Dennis Cimino]

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Posts like this put more fuel in my tank.

Cheers!

I think that the earmarks of an 'agenda' are pretty obvious to most of us. First, anyone coming in here and personally attacking a member, for whatever reason, not their information but going after 'them' in person, isn't just some nimrod who's badly informed. The information that is out there about the tactics used by COINtelpro persons of the F.B.I. when they defamed and discredited people they had issues with, pretty much go down the line of laying it on thick and heavy in the personal character assassination gig. They have no valid stuff to really offer the forum in support of their positions, so they come in and character assassinate. In 911blogger, same difference. Not too very long ago I tried to be the 'peacemaker' or 'go between' when it broke out here and it nearly got me tossed off the listing, for sure, not because I was trying to engender the divisive behavior, but because I stepped to the fore and tried to STOP IT in it's tracks. For any of us to get into pissing contests over stuff in public forums where people who are not aviators, read it, it does a major job on our credibility no matter who comes out on top of the argument. This in and of itself doesn't mean; "oh yeah, acquiesce when a turd has been floated as reality" but it does say, "look boys, we don't have to be doing WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE, which is divisive behavior, ad hoc attacks on each other for sport, or gratuitously character assassinating each other. We are better than that.

Not too many years ago, I underwent a lot of unjust attacks because I was amongst the first to say the flight 77 FDR data load was 'bogus' because it was lacking '2' identity data fields in the core dump that always are there on a certificated fleet airplane..the discrete airplane identity number (not the N-number, by the way) and the fleet ID number. When I saw those were blanked out, then I pretty much knew from personal experience that this is not reality in that file. Anyway, I began to digress too much there, but the hour and ten minute audio interview of mine garnered a lot of right wing assholes coming at me and calling me a 'liar' then. I told Rob that any day he wanted to go to BUPERS and pull my service record and look at it, we would do that, and then the asshole attacking me would have to then suffer the consequences in a court of law for essentially slandering and libeling me in this forum. I am not a public figure, and therefore, publishing hit pieces about me in here with nothing to substantiate them would in fact lead to a legal battle where the other ass whould be on the financial hook for damages. Well, that kind of put that crap to bed, because it's one thing to infer that a person is
full of crap about an airplane parameter, but to say things about their character in here that you cannot substantiate, is another matter. That has legal ramifications and I am not too bashful to find the I.P. of that poster and have them served with a subpoena to appear in court for that crap.

So, the point being, is that personal attacks, demands that members be 'removed' as was the case where this guy demanded John Lear be removed from the P4T list for his UFO studies, calling a person a liar and otherwise defaming them, all come from COINTELPRO scum, not just ignorant tools who have no clue what they're up to in here.

That's the way they operate. That is their modus operandi. The government uses it as something you all know as 'divide and conquer' when they intentionally politicize a debate in LEFT vs RIGHT terms and then let the fur fly. People at each others throats seldom ever stop to wonder who benefits (qui bono) for their being that way. If they did, they'd rethink their tack in here.

The purpose of this forum is to get to the truth about the false flag attacks on Sept. 11th. We're not here to pull out our dicks and compare sizes. This is about serious stuff that to be quite frank about it, means members of the U.S. government, with Mossad help, committed TREASON and MASS MURDER that day, and so far have kind of gotten away with it. Well, we don't have to be at each other's throats to get to the bottom of that TREASON.

so, attacking Hordon or this Bursill guy is not my forte. If they can back up their assertion we are stupid, moronic, and ignorant fools with no idea what's going on, let them bring it on. But they better do it with more facts, and less bullshit, because some folks can really see the difference between shit and shinola.

non-pilots with zero flight experience touting they know everything, really chap my goddamned hide. But what bothers me the most is when on 911blogger, they get away with it unchallenged. We need to make sure that never, ever happens. We can never let that crap stand. Ever.