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[rob balsamo]

NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"


06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.

Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:

A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.

Dwain Deets credentials and experience are as follows:

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career

It is established based on corroborated expert statements, raw data, and precedent, that the extremely excessive speed reported for the 9/11 aircraft is truly the "Elephant In The Room" and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

For summary of speed analysis, please see article 9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed.

To view the scene from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" analyzing the reported speeds in more detail, please click here.

For full detailed analysis covering the events which took place in New York City on September 11, 2001, interviews with experts, including analysis of "Hijacker" pilot skill, Black Box recovery and more... please view the latest presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has also analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack and the events in Shanksville, PA. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

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[Dennis Cimino]

You guys really astound me with your stuff, and it's been a good experience for me in the forum recently because so many of you are not moron's, idiots, govt. shills, or COINTELPRO fuck sticks (pardon the japanese there).

If an Airbus can have structural failure at significantly lower speeds than 440 or 510 knots IAS, at nearly ground level, break up in flight, and end up with it's vertical stabilizer being fished out of sheepshead bay for a little bit of rudder compensation at a speed well below MANEUVERING SPEED for that machine, then just imagine what kind of issues a B-767 might have, boogeying along at 510 knots IAS, and then the plane suddenly banks sharply, and then there's some yaw going on in the recovery, so the rudder is jumped on a bit to correct, and 'voila' instant aluminum confetti land on the streets of NYC, and a building doesn't get hit, (like WTC-7 wasn't hit) and then half an hour after the failed attempt, the building implodes in on itself and falls into it's own footprint at freefall speeds. I can just hear the whining from the Right Wing SHILL echo chamber now;"oh, you don't understand, mind waves from Osama were being projected at the buildings, and as everyone knows MUSLIMZ all are super human beings with looks that can inflict pain and suffering and bring down tall buildings..you have to believe my story..

Well, I think that WTC-7 was an intended target of a plane that didn't make it into NYC airspace, is what I think. They had it rigged in advance, it was supposed to be OBVIOUSLY HIT BY A PLANE that NEVER SHOWS UP, but it then implodes on itself several hours later and nobody sees the obvious
'screw up' in that all these years later. Obwon has a good thought process going on about the; "what if none of the planes made it, and then the buildings fell in on themselves???"

We know that we weren't that far off on a scenario like that when WTC-7 was not struck by airplane wreckage, and yet it still imploded into itself at freefall speeds.

One more broken airplane that didn't quite cut the mustard, and either WTC-1 or WTC-2 'not hit' by anything, and still collapses, and THEN WHAT??

well, if ONE of the three targeted buildings they needed to destroy is NOT HIT and still implodes and NOBODY CARES, then I will go so far as to say that then, you and I know they would have concocted a story about Osama's super invisible guys sneaking into the buildings and whilst invisible for a long long long time, managed to put the charges in the buildings and detonate them with MIND CONTROL afterwards.

You know where I am going with this. One building was clearly 'not hit at all' but was intended to be, and that plane never made it into NYC airspace for whatever reason. Because it was a 'no show' for the pyrotechnics gig, the building still came down, much later in the game, because someone screwed up on the timer sequencing of the buildings. They almost could have gotten away with WTC-7 going down with the other '2' buildings, had that happened, but that's not what took place. WTC-7 imploded and came down at 5:20 p.m. in the afternoon. Nothing hit it. Nothing.

anyway, what I am getting to here is with '2' planes who didn't have hijackers on board, that means you had to count them out altogether, because without a hijacker in the cockpit, it's another Milo Minderbinder dream, isn't it?

I would have loved to have seen the looks on faces in Tel Aviv at Mossad HQ, had no planes shown up in NYC, and the three buildings then came down without being hit.

MIND CONTROL waves from Afghanistan's caves at Tora Bora?? American's are so gullible and essentially ignorant of concepts of reality and what makes sense and what does not, I'm not so sure that this crap would have been sold by MSM as the proof that Osama had planted explosives in the buildings in advance of the day and then detonated them somehow...all with Marvin Bush's SECURACOM boys in there during the rigging.

All evidence is that the F.B.I. never expected guys like Gerard Holmgren to research the 'victims' on the planes and find that a lot of them were 'fictional' and 'identity rip offs' of people dead long before the dirty day came around on the calendar. And, the F.B.I. never ever dreamt in a million years that people would find out that cellular phone conversations of the duration and efficacy could NEVER TAKE PLACE from the altitudes these planes were at just before they moseyed on down at impossible speeds and hit the buildings. They also never counted on someone actually digitally comparing the one phone call from the 'victim' to a later call to his 'mommy' and in that, the timing is so identical that it couldn't have come from a human being.

There are so very many critical, nasty, gaping wounds in the Government's story about that day, that truly, only a complete, utter MORON could buy their fiction, lock, stock, and box cutter superhuman airman b.s.

In reality, like Obwon said, the NYC streets would have had all sorts of structural failure pieces scattered on them, and the buildings more than likely would still have been standing UNTIL the demolition charges began to take them down, as we know is what really took them down (looking at all the nice ANGULAR CUTS in the support columns, evident in lots and lots of photos of the building wreckage).

and then, there's the Pentagon. The case of airplane vaporizes, virtually no meaningful wreckage in front of the building, and no engine entry points in the building facade, and clearly a case of a missile strike and possible Global Hawk impact. Take a good hard look at Peggy Elgas' 'wreckage found' picture, and tell me that came off a B-757 then!!!! You know that's a Global Hawk vertical stabilizer part, and so do I know it. There is no corresponding fiberglass piece on a B-757!!!

Barbara Honegger says the clock's stopped at 9:32 a.m. and seismic data shows that charges started to go off there, as well, six full minutes before any alleged FLT-77 arrival and impact occurred, too! So do people in the building. Ahem!!!!

[Obwon]

You guys really astound me with your stuff, and it's been a good experience for me in the forum
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Found this: http://www.911closeup.com/

It sums up some of my thinking on the matter of real planes vs no planes quite well, even though it misses a few of my points which tends to illuminate matters just a wee bit more.

Oh yes, and about the floors that were "struck", they were precisely the floors that were leased by banks, that had new construction work done on them in the year prior to 9-11. In the south tower the bank installed a data back up center. The entire floor was filled with server cabinets, which were kept locked. Techies who know say that managing the keys would be a logistical nightmare, considering how they have to work on projects in such areas. Which makes that entire cover story strange at the least. While in the north tower, where the plane "struck" that floor was raised three feet and covered entirely with batteries, to be a back up power supply.
These batteries were never tested, never switched on.

Funny how Jets, which could not be relied on to precisely hit the towers, could be relied on to precisely strike the floors where preparations had been made, large scale enough to have concealed explosives, eh?

In any event, there's the cost of actually using real aircraft or even missiles. Even with missiles there are risks, associated with launch sites, obtaining the missiles etc., But hey! If you're going to lie about their even being planes in the first place, why bother with missiles? Your media effort is going to be able to "paper over" any real eye witnesses, so you don't really need any planes or missiles, just put the explosives on the floors of the buildings, configured to create the proper illusions [after all the damage is going to be persistently visible by all, both on the ground and via video], that's going to hold public attention and cause any pesky eye witnesses to stifle themselves. After all, these eyewitnesses aren't going to be a cohesive group.
They are going to be scattered here and there and virtually alone in a sea of millions of teevee believers, much like they were themselves. So as not to appear to be raving lunatics, insisting the media is telling one big gigantic lie, to people who will refuse to listen, best they stifle themselves which ever way they can.

In any event, the "costs" matter, as well as other artifacts, reveal that the perps do not have either unlimited funds or unlimited power at there disposal. But they do have pervasive media control and they are very near the peak of the American power structure, even if they can't pull the levers with impunity. The power to punish detractors appears to have been enough.