History and the "Elite", Sanders, elreb, Quest Options

[elreb]

Only because the god of craftsmen was…Ptah, Tubal-Cain, Vulcan, or Vulcanus…

I would guess early smelting was Volcanic in origin. Much like Kambalda-type Ni-Cu-PGE deposits that are distinctive because the nickel sulfide can be shown to be associated with the floor of a komatiite lava flow.

I’m also guessing that early man was using “Chalcopyrie”; a copper iron sulfide mineral that is often massive, rarely crystalline and less brittle. The color is brassy to gold yellow and often referred to as yellow copper.

Dah... the Chalcolithic was the copper Age...stupid me...

A nickel-iron meteorite could easily pound this stuff...


(IMG:http://skywalker.cochise.edu/wellerr/mineral/chalcopyrite/6chalcopyrite98.jpg)

This post has been edited by elreb: Jan 18 2011, 05:35 PM

[elreb]

I’m somewhere stuck between the Veneti and the Vinca

We know that the Veneti were Phoenician and related to Poseidon & Ptah

At some point Poseidon lands in Africa and marries Libya

They have two kids:

Belus father of Aegyptus & Danaus & Cepheus and Agenor ruler of Sidon [Cydonia, Crete} & Tyre

Belus appears to be equal to Bel and Ba’al

Ptah was the patron of craftsmen and artisans

Now by comparison we have the three brothers descended from Cain:

Tuba’al-Cain patron of cold forging native copper & meteoric iron;

Juba’al patron of the lyre & Pan’s pipe;

Jaba’al patron of tents and livestock

And this all takes me back to Cainopolis [Qena] in Egypt

[elreb]

In conclusion, nothing of the arts and sciences began in Africa by the native peoples.

Whatever came out of Africa…it was not modern man…

Personally, I do not believe “Intelligence” came from this planet.

In the words of the most respected John Lear…

There was no big bang.

There will be no 'contraction'.

There was no beginning and there will be no end.

The universe contains billions and billions and billions of galaxies.

There are a billion times a billion earths similar to ours. Some are more advanced, some are less advanced.

The speed of thought is infinite.

The speed of gravity is instantaneous throughout the universe.

There is one black hole for every galaxy.

A black holes purpose is to recycle stars after they die.

There is no such thing as 'Dark Matter'.

We are not an experiment.

[BarryWilliamsmb]

"We are not an experiment."

Kinda makes my double blind experience redundant...

[elreb]

Kinda makes my double blind experience redundant...

As I had stated somewhere…good humor and a pleasant attitude…make for a healthy environment. [Thank you Barry]

Even if “One” were to have “Screwball” ideas…at least they have ideas…as opposed to the naysayers who only disagree with you/us…just to stir up a hornet nest.


(IMG:http://www.campusexplorer.com/media/376x262/Georgia-Institute-of-Technology-Main-Campus-A7D61086.png) GO BRET...

This post has been edited by elreb: Jan 22 2011, 07:08 PM

[elreb]

One of the problems with “Amarna” art is that it does not distinguish between male and female.

Normally, only males would wear the Payot side lock. Akhenaton cheated…

Meritaten/Merytaten was ‘Mary” the mother of Jesus II. Her father was Jesus I…and her husband was her father aka Jesus I…therefore Jesus II was the son of god as well as the son of Zeus.

(IMG:http://www.perankhgroup.com/from_a27.jpg) This appears to be Mary and Jesus II...

[Meedio]

Races in Africa/Libya: Why Red land & Black land


Third picture: Aamu/AAMW: People who came from the sunrise (East) thought to be from Anatolia = Greeks… Eastern Greeks, Ionia & Caria are located on the western side of modern day Turkey.

This I can prove, since "aamu" in finnish means morning! But location does not match. Maybe Hyperboreans, who were Asers from Finland and had settled in Delos, like Arge, Opis, Laodice and Hyperokhe.

[elreb]

This I can prove, since "aamu" in finnish means morning! But location does not match. Maybe Hyperboreans, who were Asers from Finland and had settled in Delos, like Arge, Opis, Laodice and Hyperokhe.

All Europeans came from Europe but you must allow for travel time.

One immigration…came by Sea…from the “Sunset” by Galley like the Gauls or Veneti.

A second immigration traveled down the Danube…like the Vinca…to the Black Sea and onto Anatolia…now the “Sunrise”.

In reality, it was all north of Africa but curved in like “Bulls Horns” from ‘All-Land-Ice…

By Roman times…things will reverse and go the other way…

(IMG:http://www.rovasirasforrai.hu/Forditasok/Comparison-between-sign-systems/Pict-18_Gimbutas-terkep.jpg)

[Sanders]

By Roman times…things will reverse and go the other way…[/b]

Ahah!

... Yes, I think so too ...

Pre-Greco-Roman-times are not my specialty, but if you imagine climate being a driving factor one can imagine various peoples going back and forth along the many east-European rivers between the Baltic and the Black Sea - not just once but maybe several times.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

[elreb]

Pre-Greco-Roman-times are not my specialty, but if you imagine climate being a driving factor one can imagine various peoples going back and forth along the many east-European rivers between the Baltic and the Black Sea - not just once but maybe several times.

I’m with you all the way Sanders…

[elreb]

We should think of climate in lose terms…

Nature was indeed a great factor…earthquakes, volcanoes, and tsunami …

Ocean, Sea and River levels going both up and down…

Hot…cold…wet …dry…

Change because of change…

[Sanders]

And to add to that, elreb, we all think of our lifetimes, or the 20th century even, as an eternity ... yet we imagine eras of antiquity as small blocks of time. The official period between the Trojan War and the birth of Christ, or between Alexander the Great and Attila the Hun, was many long centuries, double or triple the entire history of the United States. Start talking about Egypt, and you can double and triple those time frames again.

We get into "geological" time, where, as you point out, earthly catastrophes begin to play a role.

I wish I could add something more intelligent than that, but I'm sort of drunk at the moment. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Carry on!

[Sanders]

Only because the god of craftsmen was…Ptah, Tubal-Cain, Vulcan, or Vulcanus…

(My bolding.)

Hmmm. I just learned that one of the "mysteries" of the Greco/Trojan theatre, one of the less known mystery cults aside those of Cybele and Dionysis, was the cult of Hephaestus centered on Lemnos and Samothrace. I could jump all over the term Samothrace, and I have, somewhere in my "dragon" thread. Uncle Sam, Semele, Sames and Samothrace are all related terms.

And Hephaestus is, in Latin, ... Vulcan.

[elreb]

Hmmm. I just learned that one of the "mysteries" of the Greco/Trojan theatre, one of the less known mystery cults aside those of Cybele and Dionysis, was the cult of Hephaestus centered on Lemnos and Samothrace. I could jump all over the term Samothrace, and I have, somewhere in my "dragon" thread. Uncle Sam, Semele, Sames and Samothrace are all related terms. And Hephaestus is, in Latin, ... Vulcan.

Ha...the threads are so mixed...you are required to bounce between them...

Vulcan and Cain are so related...they need their own chapter...

[Sanders]

Vulcan and Cain are so related...they need their own chapter...[/b]

Wow. I spent the afternoon reading about the Eleusinian mysteries ... to learn that they lasted 2 thousand years and no one knows what went on behind the walls of their temples.

Of course I also boned up on Vulcan, but as we all know the easily available knowledge isn't usually the important or relevant knowledge.

I'm all ears whenever you feel the urge to post about the Vulcan-Cain connection. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[elreb]

I'm all ears whenever you feel the urge to post about the Vulcan-Cain connection. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

My break down on “tribe types’ are farmer, livestocker and ranger

Farmers are 100% attached to the land and work the soil
Livestockers are 50% attached to the land and move their herds or flocks from pasture to pasture
Rangers are not attached to the land and are basically hunters

Farmers develop into village life and are thus builders which require tools and craftsmen. Farmers would have a natural dislike for livestocker encroachment on their land and crops.

Cain was a builder, therefore a craftsman. To build, you must strike or hit as with a hammer or chop as with an ax or adze. Cain struck his brother to death…and not with his bare hands

Therefore, Cain would be the logical forefather to Vul-can or Vul-canus.

Original metalworking would have been cold forging of natural ore.

Smelting and the use of fire was the next level in advancement.

[elreb]

What a bunch of scum buckets…The mummies of King Tutankhamun’s great-grandparents might have had their heads ripped off as a result of the recent turmoil in Egypt, according to reports beginning to circulate on the Internet.Dramatic Al Jazeera footage suggests that the two mummies vandalized at the Egyptian museum might be those of Yuya and Tjuya, which recent DNA tests identified as King Tut's great-grandparents.Indeed, the gilded, open-work cartonnage case shown on Al Jazeera belongs to Tjuya, according to Margaret Maitland, a D.Phil. candidate in Egyptology at the University of Oxford.“The case was placed directly on Tjuya’s body, so it is doubtful that it could have been removed without damaging her mummy. This suggests that the two mummies mentioned by Dr. Zahi Hawass as being beheaded and severely damaged may be those of Yuya and Tjuya. They are important historical figures, as well as two of the best preserved mummies from ancient Egypt, so it would indeed be tragic if this is true,” Maitland writes in her blog.The Al Jazeera footage also shows that wooden statues from the tomb of King Tutankhamun have been smashed.Much destruction appears to have been dealt a wooden boat that Maitland identified as coming from the tomb of Meseti at Asyut.“It’s one of the largest model boats in existence and it dates to approximately 2000 B.C., so over it’s 4,000 years old. Very sad,” said Maitland.http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/tut-...gypt-riots.html

[Sanders]

On the news I heard ... 'no historically significant mummies were damaged'.

If indeed the head of Yuya ( / Head of the Horse ... Vizier ... Joseph?) was ripped off, I'd think that would be historically significant.

While I root for the Egyptians going out on a limb to throw off their US-funded totalitarian yoke, that's sad.

[elreb]

On the news I heard ... 'no historically significant mummies were damaged'.

The looters damaged—but didn't manage to steal—dozens of artifacts, including a statue of King Tut standing atop a panther and two royal mummies, whose heads fell off during the raid.

…, Maitland determined that a wooden boat smashed by the looters in the Egyptian Museum is over 4,000 years old. She also identified two King Tut statues that had been damaged.

(IMG:http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/fotos/image6016_b.jpg)

[elreb]

The sad and hysterical part is that no one realizes that Tut was a “son of god”; anointed with crocodile fat; and the iconic Jesus II son of Jesus I…who saved and freed…not only the Jews but everyone else who was in captivity.

(IMG:http://rlv.zcache.com/jesus_tshirt-d2354737846519480942r7ix_325.jpg) It would be like breaking into the Vatican or the Kaaba…