History and the "Elite", Sanders, elreb, Quest Options

[elreb]

Tut’s tomb was sealed with the “Nine Bows”. [Syria, Assyria, Arabia, Cappadocia, Phrygian, Lydia, Caria, Phoenicia, and Babylonia]

Akhenaten…we know found the readiest obedience in his subjects…though some of them dwelt at such a distance which that would take days or months to traverse, and among them were men who had never set eyes on him and for the “matter of that could never hope to do so”, and yet they were willing to obey him.

Akhenaten did indeed eclipse all other monarchs, before or since, and I include not only those who have inherited their power, but those who have won empire by their own exertions.

How far Akhenaten surpassed them all may be felt if we remember that no Scythian, although the Scythians are reckoned by their myriads, has ever succeeded in dominating a foreign nation; indeed the Scythian would be well content could he but keep his government unbroken over his own tribe and people. The same is true of the Thracians and the Illyrians, and indeed of all other nations within our ken in Europe, at any rate, their condition is even now one of independence, and of such separation as would seem to be permanent.

Now this was the state in which Akhenaten found the tribes and peoples of Asia when, at the head of a small Persian force, he started on his career. The Medes and the Hyrcanians accepted his leadership willingly, but it was through conquest that he won Syria, Assyria, Arabia, Cappadocia, the two Phrygians, Lydia, Caria, Phoenicia, and Babylonia.

Then he established his rule over the Bactrian’s, Indians, and Cilicians, over the Sakians, Paphlagonians, and Magadidians, over a host of other tribes the very names of which defy the memory of the chronicler; and last of all he brought the Hellenes in Asia beneath his sway, and by a descent on the seaboard Cyprus and Egypt also.

[elreb]

I believe that Egypt and Kush were family and may have had some tribal squabbles but were not considered as foreign.

Bottom line is that Ramses II was a brother or half-brother to Amenhotep III

[elreb]

The letter “N”

In Hebrew NCHSH = serpent/dragon and NCH = Noah

Naga = serpent

Neptune & Nethuns were sea and water gods like Poseidon

(IMG:http://www.ummelina.com/images/water.gif) Egyptian word for Water is also the letter “N”

En-lil: Babylonian god of the air between earth and sky.

En-lil: Sumerian god was the son of An and Nin-tu

Sin or N-anna was moon god, son of En-lil.

In-anna daughter of N-anna and Nin-gal

En-ki was god of the waters

Sindhu = kingdom on Sindhu River now the In-dus River

People called Sindh/Sindhus; language = Sindhi

People on the Indus = called Indians

Religion: Indus = Hindus = Hindu

(IMG:http://std.cpc.ku.ac.th/delta/deltacp/free/naga.gif)

[elreb]

I think we can see how the “The moon god “Sin” came from Haran and spread to/from "Sinuwa"…Sinope, Turkey.

We see the Sinopic red earth that gave its name to a red arsenic sulfate =”Ar-Sen-ikon”… and the spread of “SIN” to or from the Sindhu = kingdom on Sindhu River now the In-dus/Sindhus River.

The next question is which came first…

(IMG:http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww308/Lala_Says_So/Sin.png)

[elreb]

Someone once said that the “Royal” family evolved from giant lizards and magically [somehow] this story turned into mystic and guru, spills the beans on one of the most scary conspiracy theories so far.

"Goober" claims that we are secretly ruled by blood-drinking, shape-shifting, flesh-eating reptilian humanoids from outer space.

In reality the “Royal” family evolved from Western European [Kelts] Germans, French, & Viking types.

Crocodile fat was used to anoint leaders. It’s that simple.

(IMG:http://www.ambienista.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/grey11.jpg) No magic…no Greys from Mars…

[elreb]

For the record, I do not buy into 99% of the “alleged alien beings” crap.

I do know that life does exist on other planets.

We see strange, unexplained life forms quite often and perhaps...we came from a different system [some time ago]

Please keep this thought simple and within reason. Heck…we may be the Martians…and what’s wrong with that?

(IMG:http://www.inkymess.com/imgs/inkings/spaceship.gif)

[elreb]

Only because I’m not convinced that intelligence came from Earth…I would go back to the Dog Star solar system and the rainbow planet of “Iris”.

The “Irideaens” were able to travel behind the Supernova, much like sailing ships travel behind tsunamis.

It’s no wonder they had knowledge of the stars & navigation.

I get the feeling that the Irideaens were structured under a “guild” system…more or less a society of craftsmen & builders.

Kings, generals and religious clergy were not needed, necessary or wanted.

Leadership & advice was drawn from highly advanced “Grand Masters”.

The Masters owned the business, pay wages and instruct the apprentice.

The apprentice was under the total care of the Master until his education was completed.

As a craftsman or Journeyman the apprentice could receive wages and perform his craft.

After at least 7 years, a Journeyman could become a Master.

Early communities would bank their common funds [gilden] for the benefit of the group as a whole. [Gilding…covering in gold]

No war, no armies and no poverty.

(IMG:http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mka0077l.jpg) In fact, plumbers and doctors were equals.

[Sanders]

THANK YOU ELREB!!! - I couldn't have said it better.

David Icke (I probably didn't spell it right) is a smart guy, so somebody near him probably slipped him some drugs and wispered into his ear (they are REPTILIANS!!! - SHAPE-SHIFTERS!).

Uuugghh.

Baloney.

The reptilian-snake-serpent-dragon connection is well recorded in my dragon-thread and on my own website ...

The deal is, the Sumerian king-priests promoted the idea that they were descended from Gods, and that the dragon/serpent was a symbol of their royalty and divine right to rule. The ruse was wildly successful and it spread. That's why there are all these serpents and dragons and mermaids in our mythologies and on flags & coats of arms.

I actually am grateful that the mythologies are full of these mythical beasts & beauties, because it makes it easy to trace "them and their kin".

Figuring out the elite, their history, and their agenda is a piece of cake, there are tons of clues strung about --- but only if you are willing to leave your prescribed world-view at the door and dive in hole-hog.

[Sanders]

One other thing - Elreb posted an image of the serpent/dragon - NAGA.

If anyone here has spent any time looking into this stuff, they are familiar with the term Annunaki, the demi-gods the Sumerian priest-kings claimed to be descended from.

Annu was their primary male storm-god. What was "naki"?

Elreb just told you ... "naga" ... the dragon.

[Sanders]

Not sure how far you readers are willing to let me go ... I lived in Japan for ten years. The emperor is "descended from heaven", he is a "Son of Heaven" ... they don't quite go so far as to say the emperor is a "son of god", but it's close.

Sounds sort of biblical, don't you think?? Where'd this come from?

The nomadic "Turkic" tribes, who I have traced to the northern Levant near Ugarit (where Abraham lived and was probably born, I am almost certain, and where Kabbalah probably emerged ... these "Huns" eventually settled in 'Hun'-gary, and their language is called 'UGRIC', after Ugarit, need I say more? ... ), migrated to Mongolia in about 1k BC. They are who the Chinese built the Great Wall to keep out of their country. They suffered catastrophic defeats in the 2nd-3rd centuries (watch "Red Cliff" - this is what that's about - and it signaled the end of the Han dynasty ... SEE ANY SIMILARITY BETWEEN 'HAN' AND 'HUN'!!???)

Well, most moved west, and Attila the Hun bore a line who would rule Hungary for most of the next thousand years. This same 'Arpad' family also produced the "Drummond"s, an elite banking family who settled in Scotland, as well as housing St. Margaret in her youth, who would introduce Varangian and "Melissenan" (Khazar Kagan) blood into the royal families of Scotland and England. The story traces back to Melessina for whom the myth of Melusine was born, Melusine is the mermaid on the logo of your Starbucks Coffee.

But some of them (the defeated proto-Huns ... the Xiongnu) went EAST. They crossed from the Korean penninsula to Japan and took over - I've researched this extensively, I am sure of it.

And they were HEBREW! (Not Jewish, mind you, 'Hebrew' denotes peoples descended from Eber - a descendant (allegedly) of Noah and an ancestor of Abraham.)

That's why, in a parade you can watch in Kyoto in June in any year there are floats with paintings of pyramids and camels on them - and that the 'Katakana' type of writing in Japanese is very similar to ancient Hebrew ... and why some suspect that 'Gion' (the red-light district of Kyoto where Geisha parlayed their trade) is a corruption of Sion/Zion.

Compare the armor (yoroi) and swords of the early Samurai with that of the Mongolians who caused so much trouble in China - they are identical.

Another group of these "Mongolians"/"Ugrics"/Huns" created a lot of trouble for Charlemagne the Great but were "defeated", albeit conditionally. Some of them moved to Gaul (France) and became allies of the Francs and an important part of our history.. They were the Avars, and their name has survived in names like 'Avalon' (the Arthurian legends), and family names like (de) Vere (Earls of Oxford for a thousand years) and Fer. Varangian (as in the Varangian Rus) is a conjugation of Avar and Angle. Melissena (the mermaid on the Starbuck's logo)'s mysterious husband was a Var-angian, as was Vladimir I, who's progeny married anyone and everyone of consequence in Europe and Britain and created the royal Germanic houses of the high middle age. There were, basically, 6. (Wettin, Hohen, Flanders, Brunswick, etc.) Represented in the 6 characters of the Flintsones cartoon (No joke).

Uhhhm, I think I'll stop there. How do you top the Flinstones!???

[Sanders]

About these "Huns" ... the Huns were a federation, which included the Bulgars and Khazars ... who called their kings 'Kagen'. The Bulgars called them 'Khan's ... as in Genghis Khan.

That now retired chief of the IMF, who go caught raping a maid? What's his name?? ... Strauss-Khan?

Khan, Kohn, Cohen, Khun (as in 'Khun & Loeb), Kagan ... King.

BUT ... most interesting, is that the Hohen (as in Hohenstauffen - a Christian Holy Emperial family of Germania) and Stewart (British royal family) share the same checks on their family coats of arms (as the 'Cohen' coat) ... they are all related.

Am I one of those nuts promoting a "Jewish conspiracy"? - Far from it ... I'm trying to tell you all about a 'Hebrew' conspiracy.

Dunnoh the difference between Hebrew and Jew? - There's a big difference, and therein lies the rub.

[Tamborine man]

About reptilians - snakes - serpents ......and maybe even "shapeshifters"!!


".......
65) Even the ancient myth of Adam and Eve has in it some truth, though couched in purely human form.
During an earthly existence, one of the Youngest tried through this myth to convey an explanation of the
origin of humanity. Adam and Eve thus symbolize the Elder and his female dual; the serpent symbolizes
the alluring, attracting and binding power of Darkness; the apple on the branch of the Tree of Knowledge
of Good and Evil symbolizes the life-principle of Darkness, surrounded by and held fast by the Light. The
serpent represents Darkness which tempted the woman to sin; the woman tempted the man to eat of the
Tree to gain knowledge — to master, that is, the life-principle of Darkness. Removing the apple from the
tree symbolizes the separation of Darkness and the Light. By their fall, Adam and Eve (the Eldest) were
banished from the Garden of Eden (God’s Kingdom). Cain and Abel symbolize the various types of human
beings who owe their existence to God’s fallen children. Cain’s murder of his brother symbolizes how sin
and death came into the earthly world through the birth, or creation, of Cain and Abel (humanity).


66) In the ancient heroic legends and religious myths of many peoples, parallels can also be found that
are due to the influence of the Elder — for example, gods who are also human (God-men), trinities,
virgin births.
......."

[elreb]

And they were HEBREW! (Not Jewish, mind you, 'Hebrew' denotes peoples descended from Eber - a descendant (allegedly) of Noah and an ancestor of Abraham.)

If you ever wonder where the 18th dynasty’s Akhenaten & Tut got their sex habits from… Hebrews' were inbreeding fools.

Abram marries his sister Sarai, his brother Nahor marries their brother Haran’s daughter…Milcah. Milcah’s brother Lots goes on to marry both his daughters, Jacob marries his first cousin.

Terah, Abram, Nahor, Haran, Lot, Moab, Ammon, Edom, Israel, Ishmael were all Hebrew.

All originating in the region around the Khabur River and the fictious kingdom of Mitanni, which was actually Aram-Naharaim/Padan-Aram/Eber-Nari.

Joseph could be Hebrew and Israeli but his children were “Royal” Egyptian. Heritage came from the female side.

The 12 tribes were Israel…To be Jewish is to be from the tribe of Judah. Therefore, King David was Jewish…so technically, Akhenaten was part Jewish…

[Tamborine man]

Hallooo elreb, show your face.

You're amongst brothers and friends.

We're with you.

If we have to leave, we do it together,

but not without a fight.

Are you a warrior - or what!!

Cheers

[elreb]

Come over to Sander’s website where they don’t insult you

http://urokomovie.com/wordpress/

[Sanders]

After reading Tamborine Man's post I thought I should add the following.

T.M., your heart is in the right place and your info is valid, but there is more.

You have to understand the original creation-myth, which is what the uber-elite, the mystery religions and the esoteric cults all-alike subscribe to.

The original myth gave us/influenced our own monotheist traditions, but in order to understand what's going on we have to go back to the source.

First was the great mother (Innana, Cybele, Isis....), the good, the nothingness, the ether. Then Satan (Saturn/Chronus, etc.) entered stage (this isn't me, this is what the ancient esoteric schools taught) and fought with the Great Mother. This is why all the "mother" goddesses of the early pagan or Kabbalic sects had the Mother as a goddess of both fertility and of war - it's cause she did battle with Saturn/Satan.

The Sun god (Appollo, Krishna, etc.) arrives, drives Saturn into his proper place, and warms the womb of the Great Mother, who bears the Earth. Next Venus arrives and pulls the moon from the earth. Venus is Lucifer - and the elite worship her because she (the planet) is the harbinger of the sunrise, as well as being connected with the moon, which produces no light but REFLECTS the light of the sun. So, reflection and illumination are the properties of Venus. BTW, from the Earth, Venus goes around 5 times before returning to her original position - that's the significance of the 5-pointed star - whether the upside-down "occult" version, or the accepted star which graces the US flag.

The next player who arrives on the scene of the original creation myth, a very important player which has been embraced by the esoteric cults, mystery religions and secret societies, as well as leaving a giant footprint in our culture, flags, and the myths we propogate and, to boot, sits at the center of the 12 constellations in the sky (no coincidence ... DRACO) is, the dragon/serpent.

The dragon wraps itself around the "tree of life", and out of it squeezes consciousness, rational thought, the "human".

A bunch of baloney if you ask me, but that's what the ancients taught in their "mystery schools" in Egypt or Babylon (...and if you were an initiate and breathed a word of any of this you were promptly killed).

[elreb]

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[elreb]

Hallooo elreb, show your face.

Brother Tam,

I’m pretty sure that you do not keep up with Hawaiian news but the other day a 24 year veteran of the police ran over a 61 year old pedestrian because he was driving drunk.

Authority may give you power but it does not make you better or smarter than your fellow man.

Douglas MacArthur once said, “If it is right at the top…then it is right at the bottom”.

What he meant was leadership begins with leaders who obey their own rules.

Authority is not leadership…

[Tamborine man]

Brother Tam,

I’m pretty sure that you do not keep up with Hawaiian news but the other day a 24 year veteran of the police ran over a 61 year old pedestrian because he was driving drunk.

Authority may give you power but it does not make you better or smarter than your fellow man.

Douglas MacArthur once said, “If it is right at the top…then it is right at the bottom”.

What he meant was leadership begins with leaders who obey their own rules.

Authority is not leadership…

Hi again brother elreb!

You're of course right. 'Authority' has very little or nothing to do with intelligence, insight and understanding.

And hence "true leadership" would have nothing to do with the concept of 'authority'.

Your apology in another thread, showed us clearly your beautiful heart. Much respect from me.

Must admit that i too like better your present fond choice than the old bold one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So good to see you still around!

Cheers

[elreb]

You're of course right. 'Authority' has very little or nothing to do with intelligence, insight and understanding.

The paradox is that history [once corrected] is totally relative to current events.

Modern governments and their “dogs” tell less than 50% of the “Truth”.

Truth seeking forums need unbiased moderators.

Football teams have offence, defense and special teams.

Officials like umpires, referees, & judges…maintain order & enforce rules.

In the discovery or investigation...in the truth game…you cannot have a contributor acting as that official.

They only take their own side…