Civilization As We Know It Is Unsustainable., The wrecking of our life support system. Options

[Omega892R09]

Current species extinction rates are unprecedented in the fossil record.

Royal Society: “There are very strong indications that the current rate of species extinctions far exceeds anything in the fossil record.”

Please take time to absorb all that is written there including many excellent comment.

and that is not all.

Heard of the North Pacific gyre and the plastic garbage patch?:

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch - Good Morning America

Message to lunk:

Avoiding the answering of my questions by locking a thread is not fair play as in:

Stephen Schneider thread

Insrtead you repeat stuff I have debunked backed with evidence and you provide a singular lack of support for your erroneous ideas as with this:

i have a little problem with the past predictions of oceans rising.
(since the '60's!)
They haven't.

The reason that you see lower tides in your local is because the land is rising as the Pacific plate subducts beneath, as I have repeatedly told you. But that is another well researched and sound scientifically known fact that you refuse to acknowledge.

Try explaining how the structure that is the European Alps formed by an expanding earth. Ask yourself why the top of the Matterhorn is a huge chunk of gneiss, albeit somewhat ground down by glaciers and then the carbon cycle working with rain, winds and gravity to further errode, that could only have come from the African continent.

Here are some clues, not that I have not supplied many more over time:

Waves in the bathtub Why sea level rise isn’t level at all

Scientists withdraw low-ball estimate of sea level rise — media are confused and anti-science crowd pounces

and as for:

If water evaporates quicker under lower atmospheric pressure,
then a rise in ocean levels would accelerate evaporation,
reducing that rise.

Is atmospheric pressure overall falling? Who is telling you that?

You should study this:

The sky IS falling

On the other hand, what is causing a rise in atmospheric moisture levels is rising temperature. The energy stored is put into an accelerated hydrological cycle as people in Pakistan have discovered. Tropical storms over parts of the US have also intensified whilst other parts continue to desicate:

Masters: “Strongest storm ever recorded in the Midwest smashes all-time pressure records”

Study: Global warming is driving increased frequency of extreme wet or dry summer weather in southeast, so droughts and deluges are likely to get worse

Lunk, it would make a change if you tried to grasp these topics rather than evading and repeating unsupported nonsense dressed up as verse.

[talayo]

Omega:

When you request some evidence be given by tumetuestumefaisdubien I am not sure what you mean, but if you Google for "temperature data controversy" you get over 4 million entries. Both groups AGW and "denialists" have accused each other of almost any thing.

The only thing that is clear and undisputable is the raw data and algorithms to normalize the data are not made available for true peer review. So is the case with the computer models, which so far have not been able to forecast anything that demonstrates the level of skill that is required to spend billions of dollars to address a potentially non-existing problem.

This is a bit like the year 2K nonsense. Anyone that truly new the "legacy" systems (I count myself in that group) could not comprehend the hysteria around that issue. I was very glad that Korea and Russia made a public announcement that they were not going to do anything.

Well, nothing untoward happened in Korea or Russia. If they would have participated in the rescue project or make no public statements I can see the celebracions and medals that would have been awarded to the heroes that save the world from an inminent catastrophy.

If the AGW advocates carry the day and we embark upon the carbon cap and other forms of controlling CO2, image the celebracions when nothing happens. They have truly rescue mother earth.

However, if GW were to continue they will say that we took actions past the tipping point. Have we all listen and mobilize the world before the tipping point, as they told us, we would have prevented the problem.

Heads they win, tails they win.

The rest of us will be a lot poorer.

[Omega892R09]

Omega:

When you request some evidence be given by tumetuestumefaisdubien I am not sure what you mean,

Last time around tume quoted Chieffio Smith, D'Aleo and Watts at me but their analysis has been showen as flawed so many times:

Message to Anthony Watts

and that is just for a start.

but if you Google for "temperature data controversy" you get over 4 million entries. Both groups AGW and "denialists" have accused each other of almost any thing.

Ah! Yes! Googling for something. Not necessarily brings up the true stuff first. If you could point to specific articles then that would help judge.

The only thing that is clear and undisputable is the raw data and algorithms to normalize the data are not made available for true peer review.

Start here and look around other articles on the sites linked to, follow links within articles too:

Close Encounters of the Absurd Kind

Were skeptic scientists kept out of the IPCC

So is the case with the computer models, which so far have not been able to forecast anything that demonstrates the level of skill that is required to spend billions of dollars to address a potentially non-existing problem.

There are many different forms of computer model, used for different purposes within climate research. Whatever, climate models by different organisations in different countries have agreed on outcomes with a high degree of concordance.

If the AGW advocates carry the day and we embark upon the carbon cap and other forms of controlling CO2, image the celebracions when nothing happens. They have truly rescue mother earth.

Reality isn't going to be like that, even if we stopped emissions tomorrow there is still warming and melting in the pipeline for reasons hinted at above. Any further delay will only mean that more draconian measures will be required.

Surely anybody alive and aware knows that the climate is already perturbed!

However, if GW were to continue they will say that we took actions past the tipping point. Have we all listen and mobilize the world before the tipping point, as they told us, we would have prevented the problem.

Heads they win, tails they win.

The rest of us will be a lot poorer.

That is totally upside down thinking.

I'll have to stop here, I had much more to include above but my fingers are bleeding again and other things are pressing me.

EDIT:

PS. Download and read the PDF which includes stuff on the Wegman Report - another dark trip into the denier s***hole, from here:

John Mashey: Crescendo Climategate Cacophony

i.e. another can of Denier brand worms.

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: Mar 11 2011, 01:52 PM