Normal Thermite Can Cut Vertically Through Steel Proof, Debunkers claims finally destroyed |

Nov 11 2010, 08:51 AM
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Hey look check this out guys this video is great this is flaming fantastic, it is a video of well known 9/11 truther who assembles
some structural steel the way it would have been assembled in the wtc twin towers and other buildings made of structural steel and he cuts righ through the thick structural steel, well thats kind of a lie he cuts almost all the way through the entire length of the steel member, using normal thermite using barrium nitrate and sulphur well if this is how it was really done on 911 those cuts even if they dont cut completely all the way still would have weakened the structural steel enough to cause the entire structure to loose alot of it strength enough to bring about a casatrophic global collapse resulting in a gravity driven CD, and watch when he uses the thermite and creates his own charges and the thermite explodes it even creates a hole giving a swiss cheese like appearance, similar to the samples found from the wtc buildings. Does this video completely destroy the duh bunkers claims that thermite cannot create vertical cuts through steel beams, and also there claims that you couldnt use normal thermite to demolish a steel framed building? I have another question why would you use barrium nitrate and sulphur mixed in with normal thermite to cut through structural steel how would these chemicals improve the thermites cutting power? 9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g...layer_embedded#! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif) |
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Nov 12 2010, 11:44 AM
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My engineering analysis is the source. You can read a discussion which lays this out quite well here:
http://the911forum.freeforums.org/oos-dest...model-t264.html If you PM with your email I can send you some the material. 1. There is no evidence in the debris that any of the core columns were "destroyed" at the bottom of the structure. In fact row 500 and 600 - a total of 16 core columns stood to a minimum of 40 stories, some to 50 and column 501 was 72 stories AFTER the floors collapsed and the facade peeled off. 2. The twins were similar to a CD but one initiated above the crash zones. In both towers the mass which came down was more than enough to crash through the floors. Any tenant floor outside the core was designed to support 100#/SF but with the tops crashing down on them (the 92nd to begin with) the loads quickly grew to almost 2000# (or there abouts). This was also a dynamic load as it was dropping down and it was dropping down in a disorganized pattern of debris over the time that the tops descended and broke apart. This force was more than enough to destroy any single tenant floor outside the core. That floor shattered and the same process repeated all the way to the ground growing in mass as it went. 3. The destruction of the twin towers was not caused by plane strikes or office fires. There had to be additional energy inputs to get the tops dislodged from their support so that they could (and did) descend down and impact the FLOORS. 4. The collapse was through the "path of least resistance" which was the floor system which by volume was 98% air. The path of MOST resistance would be crushing through the columns which were increasingly strong as you descend down. No columns in the lower sections were crushed or show signs of being exploded apart. The debris shows THAT sort of damage on the columns and beams ABOVE the strike zone which makes perfect sense as this is how the tops were able to be freed from their supports. 5. The top of WTC 2 was lost support on the South and East side before it did on the North and West. This is like removing two or 4 legs on a table. It will tilt down and fall to the side where the legs were removed. However in the case of tower two the remaining columns were not able to support the mass of the top and they buckled rather quickly. As they did the top which was tilting began to descend. It was both tilting AND descending down. At the plane where it was severed, the core and the floors then began colliding with the standing lower section. The SE lower corner of the tilting top dug into the SE corner of the standing part and these collisions caused mutual destruction of the floors on that side. The collisions of the floors AND the facade columns and the core columns as the tip tilted and dropped sent shocks up through the top and quickly the joints began to break apart. You can see the top 3 floors bend first, just before the entire top breaks apart and disappears into a cloud of dust and debris. The top was a much more rigid part of the structure because of the hat truss with diagonal beams providing that rigidity. Parts of the top did continue over the side, but the virtual hinge was through col 501 and was more than 150' from the East side. For the entire top section to go over the side, it would have to remain rigid and have a hinge on or about the East face. That hinge would have to be supported by the lower section. This is not possible and as it moved both horizontally and vertically the lower East side was destroyed as it collided with the lower section and so it did not only not go outside the foot print but it provided the mass to cause the lower section's floors to collapse. In all three towers it was not gravity alone which destroyed them. |
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Paul Normal Thermite Can Cut Vertically Through Steel Proof Nov 11 2010, 08:51 AM
BADBURD Nice find Paul. Nov 11 2010, 02:39 PM
tnemelckram If our military is anywhere near as competent and ... Nov 11 2010, 07:42 PM
SanderO We always knew that thermite can cut steel as can ... Nov 11 2010, 08:02 PM
Paul QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 09:32 AM) W... Nov 11 2010, 10:01 PM
onesliceshort Very interesting find Paul. Cheers.
First time I... Nov 11 2010, 10:30 PM
mrmitosis The other uploads on that guy's YT channel are... Nov 12 2010, 01:44 AM
BADBURD Paul you just keep up the good work. I learned som... Nov 12 2010, 08:19 AM
BADBURD SanderO you mention "what pulverized the conc... Nov 12 2010, 08:34 AM
SanderO I agree with the assessment of the destruction of ... Nov 12 2010, 09:17 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 09:17 AM) T... Nov 12 2010, 10:01 AM
BADBURD They had to blow the core columns. Just blowing th... Nov 12 2010, 10:11 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 11:44 AM) M... Nov 12 2010, 05:02 PM
SanderO I am not Tom, but I concur with that hypothesis an... Nov 12 2010, 08:54 PM
BADBURD QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 06:54 PM) G... Nov 13 2010, 09:24 AM
Paul Hi there i see that you can mix sulphur and barril... Nov 12 2010, 11:53 PM
SanderO My take away from Jon's video is that thermite... Nov 13 2010, 07:03 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 13 2010, 07:03 AM) M... Nov 13 2010, 09:10 PM
Paul Barrillium At Ground Zero
http://pilotsfor911trut... Nov 13 2010, 07:45 AM
Paul QUOTE (BADBURD @ Nov 13 2010, 10:54 PM) S... Nov 13 2010, 11:06 AM
amazed! SanderO
This is the most persuasive iteration of ... Nov 13 2010, 11:47 AM
BADBURD If it is indeed true that the buildings came down ... Nov 13 2010, 11:49 AM
SanderO The increasing strength of the columns as you go d... Nov 13 2010, 03:06 PM
BADBURD I would be with this all the way except your not e... Nov 13 2010, 04:04 PM
SanderO The floor collapse can be timed at about 100 feet ... Nov 13 2010, 08:56 PM
tnemelckram I hope people do not mis-understand SanderO. He i... Nov 13 2010, 09:36 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Nov 14 2010, 02:36 A... Nov 13 2010, 11:28 PM
SanderO Do You recognizes that a commercial CD does not at... Nov 13 2010, 11:31 PM
Paul QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 14 2010, 01:01 PM) D... Nov 14 2010, 04:10 AM
SanderO Not at all. The idea presented is that to cause a... Nov 14 2010, 06:58 AM
amazed! Because of Willy's testimony I too believe tha... Nov 14 2010, 03:35 PM
SanderO The floor collapse included all the collisions of ... Nov 14 2010, 04:07 PM
amazed! Poor answer, unpersuasive.
Energy is required to ... Nov 14 2010, 11:26 PM
SanderO Falling concrete did not pulverize itself. Collis... Nov 15 2010, 07:18 AM
trimble QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 14 2010, 10:26 P... Nov 15 2010, 09:49 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (trimble)Due to the chaotic nature of the co... Nov 15 2010, 11:05 AM
amazed! Welcome to the forum Trimble, but I do not find yo... Nov 15 2010, 11:32 AM
trimble QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 15 2010, 10:32 A... Nov 15 2010, 01:02 PM
Paul QUOTE (trimble @ Nov 16 2010, 02:32 AM) I... Nov 15 2010, 04:26 PM
Paul QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 16 2010, 05:56 AM) I th... Nov 15 2010, 04:36 PM
onesliceshort The characteristics of the massive spray of sparks... Nov 15 2010, 12:20 PM
SanderO You can't pulverize concrete or stone for that... Nov 15 2010, 12:40 PM
amazed! I guess WTC 7 must have used the same grout, eh? Nov 15 2010, 04:57 PM
SanderO I don't know for sure the floor specs, but the... Nov 15 2010, 05:36 PM
trimble QUOTE I guess WTC 7 must have used the same grout,... Nov 15 2010, 06:23 PM
trimble I mean horizontal projection, ofc Nov 15 2010, 06:27 PM
BADBURD [quote name='Paul' date='Nov 15 2010, ... Nov 15 2010, 06:29 PM
Paul [quote name='BADBURD' date='Nov 16 201... Nov 18 2010, 04:43 AM
SanderO The entire top could not have tipped over the side... Nov 15 2010, 07:14 PM
mrmitosis SanderO -
I've just watched a video presentat... Nov 15 2010, 08:11 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Nov 15 2010, 08:11 PM)... Nov 15 2010, 09:31 PM
Tamborine man QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Nov 13 2010, 10:11 PM)... Nov 15 2010, 10:34 PM
SanderO I have not gone into the initiation of the collaps... Nov 16 2010, 08:34 AM
amazed! Trimble
You are absolutely correct that it doesn... Nov 16 2010, 10:48 AM
SanderO Laymen don't know the history of skyscraper an... Nov 16 2010, 01:06 PM
onesliceshort Not being an architect/engineer, I couldn't co... Nov 16 2010, 04:57 PM
SanderO There likely was some pyrotechnics used on the cor... Nov 16 2010, 05:10 PM
BADBURD QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 16 2010, 03:10 PM) I... Nov 16 2010, 05:41 PM
BADBURD Even he knows what it takes to bring a building do... Nov 16 2010, 05:45 PM
SanderO Everyone knows if you destroy the bottom - the fou... Nov 16 2010, 05:57 PM
mrmitosis For a little while now, I've been curious abou... Nov 16 2010, 07:58 PM
SanderO I think it's camera shake. The camera was qui... Nov 16 2010, 08:41 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 17 2010, 01:41 AM) I... Nov 16 2010, 10:07 PM
mrmitosis That's what I mean - why is the camera shaking... Nov 16 2010, 08:49 PM
BADBURD QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Nov 16 2010, 06:49 PM)... Nov 16 2010, 09:30 PM
SanderO After participating in many discussions and web si... Nov 18 2010, 10:01 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 18 2010, 10:01 AM) A... Nov 18 2010, 10:33 AM
SanderO It didn't occur to me and I am not claiming pe... Nov 18 2010, 11:36 AM
amazed! And you're an engineer? Sheesh!
An explo... Nov 18 2010, 10:53 PM
SanderO No, I am an architect. My first job in 1971 was ... Nov 19 2010, 06:24 AM
BADBURD QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 19 2010, 04:24 AM) N... Nov 19 2010, 10:05 AM
amazed! SanderO
I did not say it would cause the tower to... Nov 19 2010, 10:13 AM
SanderO I get up at 0500 and so the clock setting here mus... Nov 19 2010, 12:02 PM
Paul QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 20 2010, 02:32 AM) I... Nov 19 2010, 12:33 PM
Paul QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 20 2010, 02:32 AM) I... Nov 19 2010, 12:35 PM
SanderO Paul,
I'll pass on your rudeness but note tha... Nov 19 2010, 12:55 PM
amazed! I understand what you're saying SanderO, but i... Nov 20 2010, 11:03 AM
SanderO Amazed,
My arguments are not a red herring at all... Nov 20 2010, 11:53 AM
Paul QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 21 2010, 02:23 AM) A... Nov 21 2010, 01:30 PM
SanderO I won't say it because I don't believe it ... Nov 21 2010, 03:33 PM
amazed! You're not persuasive SanderO
Let's face ... Nov 21 2010, 05:30 PM
SanderO I am not here to persuade anyone. People need to ... Nov 21 2010, 07:09 PM
mrmitosis Guys, for Christ's sake.
SanderO has an opin... Nov 21 2010, 09:22 PM
amazed! Good post Mr. Mitosis, and I agree completely.
I ... Nov 22 2010, 10:11 AM
mrmitosis Sure thing, amazed. The events of 9/11 were so unp... Nov 23 2010, 07:36 PM
SanderO It's not always as civil as it should be... di... Nov 23 2010, 10:02 PM
amazed! I would say that it is YOU, or anybody else making... Nov 24 2010, 10:27 AM
SanderO Amazed,
What you have in the gravitational driven... Nov 24 2010, 11:37 AM
onesliceshort I don't think I got an answer to a previous post a... Nov 25 2010, 12:10 AM
amazed! I understand what you're trying to say SanderO... Nov 25 2010, 11:54 AM
SanderO No problem. Let me try to explain what I think ha... Nov 25 2010, 12:08 PM
BADBURD Is this the answer about what pulverized the concr... Dec 1 2010, 12:18 PM
SanderO If you describe what you see... you see a tower co... Dec 1 2010, 02:42 PM
Paul Hey look check this out guys at wall st there was ... Dec 4 2010, 08:59 PM
SanderO All the columns were not massive on the 80-83 floo... Dec 4 2010, 09:16 PM
Paul QUOTE (SanderO @ Dec 5 2010, 10:46 AM) Al... Dec 5 2010, 01:47 AM
BADBURD Paul, You really need to watch to video from A... Dec 5 2010, 03:06 AM
Paul QUOTE (BADBURD @ Dec 5 2010, 04:36 PM) Pa... Dec 5 2010, 04:54 AM
Paul What does the OOST model stand for i dont get it w... Dec 5 2010, 04:55 AM
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