Normal Thermite Can Cut Vertically Through Steel Proof, Debunkers claims finally destroyed Options

[Paul]

Hey look check this out guys this video is great this is flaming fantastic, it is a video of well known 9/11 truther who assembles
some structural steel the way it would have been assembled in the wtc twin towers and other buildings made of structural steel
and he cuts righ through the thick structural steel, well thats kind of a lie he cuts almost all the way through the entire length of
the steel member, using normal thermite using barrium nitrate and sulphur well if this is how it was really done on 911 those cuts even if they dont cut completely all the way still would have weakened the structural steel enough to cause the entire structure to loose alot of it strength enough to bring about a casatrophic global collapse resulting in a gravity driven CD, and watch when he uses the thermite and creates his own charges and the thermite explodes it even creates a hole giving a swiss cheese like appearance, similar to the samples found from the wtc buildings.

Does this video completely destroy the duh bunkers claims that thermite cannot create vertical cuts through steel beams, and also there
claims that you couldnt use normal thermite to demolish a steel framed building?

I have another question why would you use barrium nitrate and sulphur mixed in with normal thermite to cut through structural steel
how would these chemicals improve the thermites cutting power?

9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate

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[SanderO]

I have not gone into the initiation of the collapse in most of my comments, but rather the gravitational collapse whcih essentially begins after the top has "disappeared" into the upper part of the top section.

I can speculate based on what I observe as the collapse is initiated, but I cannot asset it with any certainty as there could be several mechanisms at work to achieve what we observe.

The fact that the antenna tilts a bit to the east and seems to oscillate before it descends does not mean that the entire hat truss is compromised, but perhaps the portion of the structure just beneath it has been. If the entire hat truss remained as a unit AND the antenna which connected to it remained rigidly connected to it we would see a measurable lift on the west side of the roof line or a drop in the east I would think. But it appears (and this is hard to see) that the antenna when it tilts and oscillates is free from the roof structure.

Again speculating... I note that as the top comes down it too has a slight tilt to the East and as it descends the West facade seems to slip past the West facade of the lower section. The West facade of the upper section I believe is then sliced off by the lower west facade columns and spandrels. And there is at least one facade panel which descends several stories ahead of the falling debris... being the first section to come off the top.

My guess is that perhaps a number of the beam stubs at 3 floors of the column just above the strike zone were severed using some incendiaries. Once these were cut free the core side of the floors were unsupported and might being to collapse. If the central core columns under the antenna had also been attacked at the same time, perhaps the dropping of the antenna in advance demonstrates this. I don't know how the core columns were displaced.. but the descending antenna might have pulled in some of the perimeter core columns. This is how a typical CD is made to implode... the central columns are taken out and the ones above them drop unsupported they pull the outer columns inward. So this mechanism might have been at work in the top of WTC 1. Central columns taken out, antenna descends signaling this, and the descent pulls in the several core perimeter columns which were no longer connected to the floors which could resist lateral movement. Now those perimeter columns are pulled "off column" and everything above is translated at bit to the west... column splices break and the entire top is freed to descend. It proceeds at free fall for a second or so and the the floor collisions start which slow it down a bit. But these collisions are what delivers more and more mass onto the upper floors of the bottom section and then they fail and the progressive runaway floor collapse ensues.

The above is speculation and since I can't see what's happening in the core I can't be certain. But there is some free fall or close to free fall descent of a second indicating that one column "length" (36') was taken out. Then the collapse slows a bit for the next 150 feet or so. This could be from the collisions every 12 feet or so?

I suspect in the "scheme" of things re collapse initiation the key columns which may have been in play were the four corner ones 501, 508, 1001 & 1008... the central perimeter columns 504, 505, 1004, 1005 and 701, 801, 708 and 807 (row 800 had 7 not 8 columns) It also may have involve the 3 columns under the antenna, 704, 705 & 804. This comes to 14 perimeter core columns and 3 at its center. None of these were box sections at that elevation - all were WF rolled sections.

Not all the columns would have to be attacked or weakened. Once a column is unloaded from some attack the other columns take up the load so perhaps only 17 columns had to be "taken out" and the remaining 30 were not string enough to carry the loads and the torques created would break all the remaining lateral beam connections so the structures integrity was completely compromised.

The top drop was not caused by sagging trusses or office fires.