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Normal Thermite Can Cut Vertically Through Steel Proof, Debunkers claims finally destroyed

Paul
post Nov 11 2010, 08:51 AM
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Hey look check this out guys this video is great this is flaming fantastic, it is a video of well known 9/11 truther who assembles
some structural steel the way it would have been assembled in the wtc twin towers and other buildings made of structural steel
and he cuts righ through the thick structural steel, well thats kind of a lie he cuts almost all the way through the entire length of
the steel member, using normal thermite using barrium nitrate and sulphur well if this is how it was really done on 911 those cuts even if they dont cut completely all the way still would have weakened the structural steel enough to cause the entire structure to loose alot of it strength enough to bring about a casatrophic global collapse resulting in a gravity driven CD, and watch when he uses the thermite and creates his own charges and the thermite explodes it even creates a hole giving a swiss cheese like appearance, similar to the samples found from the wtc buildings.

Does this video completely destroy the duh bunkers claims that thermite cannot create vertical cuts through steel beams, and also there
claims that you couldnt use normal thermite to demolish a steel framed building?

I have another question why would you use barrium nitrate and sulphur mixed in with normal thermite to cut through structural steel
how would these chemicals improve the thermites cutting power?

9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g...layer_embedded#!



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SanderO
post Dec 4 2010, 09:16 PM
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All the columns were not massive on the 80-83 floor. The columns were 36' long and spanned 3 floor heights. The largest on on 80-82 was 501 and it was 22x28 box column made from 2 1/2" plate. Column 804 was a 12WF161 - not a massive box column but a rolled steel I beam type. 704 was 14WF84... again only 84 pounds per foot and not a "massive box column".

The massive core columns were way down in the building and were 22x52 made from 5" thick plate.

So an "attack" on the core columns was not as much of a "problem" as would be to destroy the columns at the bottom. But as I have suggested, once the mass of the top was "released" and no longer supported by the columns below, it was free to crash and destroy all the floors. And it likely did.

John Cole shows that the columns can be destroyed with thermitic material in a short time. And if this WAS done then the mass would COLLAPSE down by gravity.

There is no reason to cut the core columns if you are not planning to have gravity finish the job. And gravity DID finish the job.

What started it?
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post Dec 5 2010, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE (SanderO @ Dec 5 2010, 10:46 AM) *
All the columns were not massive on the 80-83 floor. The columns were 36' long and spanned 3 floor heights. The largest on on 80-82 was 501 and it was 22x28 box column made from 2 1/2" plate. Column 804 was a 12WF161 - not a massive box column but a rolled steel I beam type. 704 was 14WF84... again only 84 pounds per foot and not a "massive box column".

The massive core columns were way down in the building and were 22x52 made from 5" thick plate.

So an "attack" on the core columns was not as much of a "problem" as would be to destroy the columns at the bottom. But as I have suggested, once the mass of the top was "released" and no longer supported by the columns below, it was free to crash and destroy all the floors. And it likely did.

John Cole shows that the columns can be destroyed with thermitic material in a short time. And if this WAS done then the mass would COLLAPSE down by gravity.

There is no reason to cut the core columns if you are not planning to have gravity finish the job. And gravity DID finish the job.

What started it?


look here look at the welded channels that secure the floor connections to perimiter core columns.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/floors.html

what if they had of blown most of the inner channel floor connections to the core there would still be
some resistance to the collapse so i assumeand if they blew these floor connection with nanothermite charges or
burnt through some of them using as similar method to what john cole used to weaken them the building would collapse loose
it strength and the cores would still be standing if they didnt cut the core and just cut the floor truss connections
to them we would see standing core columns just like we do in the videos by the way i have no seen footage
of the floor truss connections to the core, the only ones we see are the floors connections to the outer wall perimiter
columns and you can see where the bolt have been torn ripped out from overloading is the reason we dont see the core
and the channel connections, um uh oh i just realised something i have seen pictures of the some of the core columns
but not many of them and where are all the channel connections what happened to them did they cut them blow them completely
off?

Dont worry boys we will just blow through the weak channel connections and let her fall an not cut the core then we can show
everyone footage and pictures of the outer perimiter wall floor truss connections and seats and then they can see where they have
been torn out at the bolts they wont see any demolition cuts there because we will hide the cores we will not show it to them we
not one picture not a single video tape that way they can never know what a dastardly evil thing we did, they can suspect it but no be
able to prove it so then we can be sure that we are safe with hiding and scrapping all the evidnece shipping it over seas.

Ok really so where are the floor channel connection why cant i see them atached to the core can someone show me pictures
of them because if not then that is really big problem, Sander O dont you think the real reason that NIST never showed us the
core columns or only like three percent of them is because thats where they made the cuts maybe not throught the core but
the connections that hold the floors to them?
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- Paul   Normal Thermite Can Cut Vertically Through Steel Proof   Nov 11 2010, 08:51 AM
- - BADBURD   Nice find Paul.   Nov 11 2010, 02:39 PM
- - tnemelckram   If our military is anywhere near as competent and ...   Nov 11 2010, 07:42 PM
- - SanderO   We always knew that thermite can cut steel as can ...   Nov 11 2010, 08:02 PM
- - Paul   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 09:32 AM) W...   Nov 11 2010, 10:01 PM
- - onesliceshort   Very interesting find Paul. Cheers. First time I...   Nov 11 2010, 10:30 PM
- - mrmitosis   The other uploads on that guy's YT channel are...   Nov 12 2010, 01:44 AM
- - BADBURD   Paul you just keep up the good work. I learned som...   Nov 12 2010, 08:19 AM
- - BADBURD   SanderO you mention "what pulverized the conc...   Nov 12 2010, 08:34 AM
- - SanderO   I agree with the assessment of the destruction of ...   Nov 12 2010, 09:17 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 09:17 AM) T...   Nov 12 2010, 10:01 AM
- - BADBURD   They had to blow the core columns. Just blowing th...   Nov 12 2010, 10:11 AM
- - SanderO   My engineering analysis is the source. You can rea...   Nov 12 2010, 11:44 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 11:44 AM) M...   Nov 12 2010, 05:02 PM
- - SanderO   I am not Tom, but I concur with that hypothesis an...   Nov 12 2010, 08:54 PM
|- - BADBURD   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 12 2010, 06:54 PM) G...   Nov 13 2010, 09:24 AM
- - Paul   Hi there i see that you can mix sulphur and barril...   Nov 12 2010, 11:53 PM
- - SanderO   My take away from Jon's video is that thermite...   Nov 13 2010, 07:03 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 13 2010, 07:03 AM) M...   Nov 13 2010, 09:10 PM
- - Paul   Barrillium At Ground Zero http://pilotsfor911trut...   Nov 13 2010, 07:45 AM
- - Paul   QUOTE (BADBURD @ Nov 13 2010, 10:54 PM) S...   Nov 13 2010, 11:06 AM
- - amazed!   SanderO This is the most persuasive iteration of ...   Nov 13 2010, 11:47 AM
- - BADBURD   If it is indeed true that the buildings came down ...   Nov 13 2010, 11:49 AM
- - SanderO   The increasing strength of the columns as you go d...   Nov 13 2010, 03:06 PM
- - BADBURD   I would be with this all the way except your not e...   Nov 13 2010, 04:04 PM
- - SanderO   The floor collapse can be timed at about 100 feet ...   Nov 13 2010, 08:56 PM
- - tnemelckram   I hope people do not mis-understand SanderO. He i...   Nov 13 2010, 09:36 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Nov 14 2010, 02:36 A...   Nov 13 2010, 11:28 PM
- - SanderO   Do You recognizes that a commercial CD does not at...   Nov 13 2010, 11:31 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 14 2010, 01:01 PM) D...   Nov 14 2010, 04:10 AM
- - SanderO   Not at all. The idea presented is that to cause a...   Nov 14 2010, 06:58 AM
- - amazed!   Because of Willy's testimony I too believe tha...   Nov 14 2010, 03:35 PM
- - SanderO   The floor collapse included all the collisions of ...   Nov 14 2010, 04:07 PM
- - amazed!   Poor answer, unpersuasive. Energy is required to ...   Nov 14 2010, 11:26 PM
- - SanderO   Falling concrete did not pulverize itself. Collis...   Nov 15 2010, 07:18 AM
- - trimble   QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 14 2010, 10:26 P...   Nov 15 2010, 09:49 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (trimble)Due to the chaotic nature of the co...   Nov 15 2010, 11:05 AM
- - amazed!   Welcome to the forum Trimble, but I do not find yo...   Nov 15 2010, 11:32 AM
|- - trimble   QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 15 2010, 10:32 A...   Nov 15 2010, 01:02 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (trimble @ Nov 16 2010, 02:32 AM) I...   Nov 15 2010, 04:26 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 16 2010, 05:56 AM) I th...   Nov 15 2010, 04:36 PM
- - onesliceshort   The characteristics of the massive spray of sparks...   Nov 15 2010, 12:20 PM
- - SanderO   You can't pulverize concrete or stone for that...   Nov 15 2010, 12:40 PM
- - amazed!   I guess WTC 7 must have used the same grout, eh?   Nov 15 2010, 04:57 PM
- - SanderO   I don't know for sure the floor specs, but the...   Nov 15 2010, 05:36 PM
- - trimble   QUOTE I guess WTC 7 must have used the same grout,...   Nov 15 2010, 06:23 PM
- - trimble   I mean horizontal projection, ofc   Nov 15 2010, 06:27 PM
- - BADBURD   [quote name='Paul' date='Nov 15 2010, ...   Nov 15 2010, 06:29 PM
|- - Paul   [quote name='BADBURD' date='Nov 16 201...   Nov 18 2010, 04:43 AM
- - SanderO   The entire top could not have tipped over the side...   Nov 15 2010, 07:14 PM
- - mrmitosis   SanderO - I've just watched a video presentat...   Nov 15 2010, 08:11 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Nov 15 2010, 08:11 PM)...   Nov 15 2010, 09:31 PM
|- - Tamborine man   QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Nov 13 2010, 10:11 PM)...   Nov 15 2010, 10:34 PM
- - SanderO   I have not gone into the initiation of the collaps...   Nov 16 2010, 08:34 AM
- - amazed!   Trimble You are absolutely correct that it doesn...   Nov 16 2010, 10:48 AM
- - SanderO   Laymen don't know the history of skyscraper an...   Nov 16 2010, 01:06 PM
- - onesliceshort   Not being an architect/engineer, I couldn't co...   Nov 16 2010, 04:57 PM
- - SanderO   There likely was some pyrotechnics used on the cor...   Nov 16 2010, 05:10 PM
- - BADBURD   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 16 2010, 03:10 PM) I...   Nov 16 2010, 05:41 PM
- - BADBURD   Even he knows what it takes to bring a building do...   Nov 16 2010, 05:45 PM
- - SanderO   Everyone knows if you destroy the bottom - the fou...   Nov 16 2010, 05:57 PM
- - mrmitosis   For a little while now, I've been curious abou...   Nov 16 2010, 07:58 PM
- - SanderO   I think it's camera shake. The camera was qui...   Nov 16 2010, 08:41 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 17 2010, 01:41 AM) I...   Nov 16 2010, 10:07 PM
- - mrmitosis   That's what I mean - why is the camera shaking...   Nov 16 2010, 08:49 PM
- - BADBURD   QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Nov 16 2010, 06:49 PM)...   Nov 16 2010, 09:30 PM
- - SanderO   After participating in many discussions and web si...   Nov 18 2010, 10:01 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 18 2010, 10:01 AM) A...   Nov 18 2010, 10:33 AM
- - SanderO   It didn't occur to me and I am not claiming pe...   Nov 18 2010, 11:36 AM
- - amazed!   And you're an engineer? Sheesh! An explo...   Nov 18 2010, 10:53 PM
- - SanderO   No, I am an architect. My first job in 1971 was ...   Nov 19 2010, 06:24 AM
|- - BADBURD   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 19 2010, 04:24 AM) N...   Nov 19 2010, 10:05 AM
- - amazed!   SanderO I did not say it would cause the tower to...   Nov 19 2010, 10:13 AM
- - SanderO   I get up at 0500 and so the clock setting here mus...   Nov 19 2010, 12:02 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 20 2010, 02:32 AM) I...   Nov 19 2010, 12:33 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 20 2010, 02:32 AM) I...   Nov 19 2010, 12:35 PM
- - SanderO   Paul, I'll pass on your rudeness but note tha...   Nov 19 2010, 12:55 PM
- - amazed!   I understand what you're saying SanderO, but i...   Nov 20 2010, 11:03 AM
- - SanderO   Amazed, My arguments are not a red herring at all...   Nov 20 2010, 11:53 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (SanderO @ Nov 21 2010, 02:23 AM) A...   Nov 21 2010, 01:30 PM
- - SanderO   I won't say it because I don't believe it ...   Nov 21 2010, 03:33 PM
- - amazed!   You're not persuasive SanderO Let's face ...   Nov 21 2010, 05:30 PM
- - SanderO   I am not here to persuade anyone. People need to ...   Nov 21 2010, 07:09 PM
- - mrmitosis   Guys, for Christ's sake. SanderO has an opin...   Nov 21 2010, 09:22 PM
- - amazed!   Good post Mr. Mitosis, and I agree completely. I ...   Nov 22 2010, 10:11 AM
- - mrmitosis   Sure thing, amazed. The events of 9/11 were so unp...   Nov 23 2010, 07:36 PM
- - SanderO   It's not always as civil as it should be... di...   Nov 23 2010, 10:02 PM
- - amazed!   I would say that it is YOU, or anybody else making...   Nov 24 2010, 10:27 AM
- - SanderO   Amazed, What you have in the gravitational driven...   Nov 24 2010, 11:37 AM
- - onesliceshort   I don't think I got an answer to a previous post a...   Nov 25 2010, 12:10 AM
- - amazed!   I understand what you're trying to say SanderO...   Nov 25 2010, 11:54 AM
- - SanderO   No problem. Let me try to explain what I think ha...   Nov 25 2010, 12:08 PM
- - BADBURD   Is this the answer about what pulverized the concr...   Dec 1 2010, 12:18 PM
- - SanderO   If you describe what you see... you see a tower co...   Dec 1 2010, 02:42 PM
- - Paul   Hey look check this out guys at wall st there was ...   Dec 4 2010, 08:59 PM
- - SanderO   All the columns were not massive on the 80-83 floo...   Dec 4 2010, 09:16 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (SanderO @ Dec 5 2010, 10:46 AM) Al...   Dec 5 2010, 01:47 AM
- - BADBURD   Paul, You really need to watch to video from A...   Dec 5 2010, 03:06 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (BADBURD @ Dec 5 2010, 04:36 PM) Pa...   Dec 5 2010, 04:54 AM
- - Paul   What does the OOST model stand for i dont get it w...   Dec 5 2010, 04:55 AM


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