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Pilots For Truth Continues To Grow - New Core Members Added

rob balsamo
post Nov 17 2010, 10:55 AM
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In just 4 short years, Pilots For 9/11 Truth has grown to over 300 Verified Pilots and Aviation Professionals, almost 3000 forum members, even more petition signors, and continues to grow.

Visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core to browse the long and growing list of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core Members.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have made it their mission to determine the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001 since it has become the day which has changed the world for us all with an overwhelming and growing number of questions unresolved.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the events which took place at the WTC, The Pentagon, and in Shankville, PA based on data provided by government agencies. Numerous presentations, technical papers and articles have been produced with more in the making including analysis of the Air Response on 9/11. Many radio, TV and Speaking engagements throughout the world have been accomplished, with more to come. There is a growing mountain of evidence which conflicts with the Government version of events.

Over the years, Pilots For 9/11 Truth have contacted numerous Government Agencies attempting to get answers for the clear conflicts within their official narrative. They refuse to comment. Hundreds of Media representatives, Aviation Associations and members of Congress have also been contacted and continue to be informed of the evidence. Affidavits have been submitted in support of the victims, litigation remains ongoing.

As we approach the Tenth year since the year of the attacks, Pilots For 9/11 Truth continue working, attempting to get answers for the growing mountain of conflicts within the official narrative, while pushing for a new investigation. More TV/Radio interviews and speaking engagements to inform the public are also anticipated. Some have already been completed and will be airing soon.

During your research, you may also notice a loud minority attempting to marginalize and suppress the analysis done and evidence uncovered by Pilots For 9/11 Truth. Some claim the work of Pilots For 9/11 Truth is just flat out wrong, yet those who make such claims, have no experience in aviation and have proven to be inaccurate and/or intentionally deceptive in their claims. "Nothing to see here folks, move along" is their underlying agenda. Uncovering such fatal conflicts to the official narrative of the events of 9/11 as Pilots For 9/11 Truth have done, one can expect to see such tactics. "You don't get flak unless you're over the target" is a statement to keep in mind when reading such attacks on Pilots For 9/11 Truth. If you come across such divisive rhetoric, please email pilots@pilotsfor911truth.org or join the Pilots For 9/11 Truth forum with any questions you may have.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth needs your help in our mission to get answers, and eventually, the Truth.

What you can do:

First and foremost - Refuse the Naked Body Scanners at Airports. These scanners are a slippery slope which will eventually lead to having the same type intrusive and illegal search when you just want to buy a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk at your local Supermarket, or enter any public establishment.

Read the US Constitution - We all could use a little refresher now and then. Sit down one day with your favorite beverage and just take an hour or so reading it. You'll be surprised how many times you say to yourself, "I didn't know our Government wasn't allowed to do 'that', then why is 'this' happening?"

Click here - http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Call/Write your Congress Representatives and Senators, notify them of the growing list of Pilots and Aviation Professionals, the growing list of Architects and Engineers, Military Officers, Firefighters, Lawyers, Medical Professionals, Family Members and Victims, and Citizen Investigators who not only question the official narrative, but have uncovered several fatal conflicts within the theory dictated to the public through the official narrative.

You can find your local representative here:
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Demand a new investigation. Demand justice for the victims, the First Responders, The US Constitution, our Freedoms!

Call into radio shows, TV shows, write producers, notify them of the same. Spread the word! Help others to inform themselves of the evidence. Give them the tools, give them DVD's, direct them to the analysis.

If you are an aviation professional, pilot, etc - tell your co-workers, direct them to PilotsFor911Truth.org. Give them copies of the presentations, the technical papers, the articles, the interviews.

If you are a passenger, do the same when you go to the airport, after you refuse the Naked Body Scanner. Give DVD's to the pilots. Ask them questions based on the work done by Pilots For 9/11 Truth. eg. "Do you think a 767 can fly at 510 knots near sea level? Do you think you can fly this plane at 150 knots over it's max operating and remain in control?" When they laugh, inform them that is what their government wants them to believe.

We want to sincerely thank you all for your support. We would not be here without you. Thank you!
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post Nov 17 2010, 11:40 AM
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Rob I think you are doing a excellent job with P4T!
I'm glad you mentioned the body scanners. That subject does seem to be waking up a lot more people that we are losing our freedoms. I'm very happy to see people making a HUGE stink about it. That will lead more people to wake up. I really doubt the thugs running the country expected this much of a backlash over their gustapo tatics. If this doesn't look like Nazi Germany I don't know what does. I know I sure as hell don't want to fly ANYWHERE and deal with all the bullshit. Next thing you know we will have roadside safety checks. Oh yea we already have those!!!! Papers please.
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post Nov 17 2010, 07:04 PM
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Regarding the body scanners I think there is the important part of the U.S. Constitution:

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Always when hearing about the body scanners I wonder where the TSA gets the warrants required by 4th Amendment if in fact TSA has them at all. I somehow can't imagine how obtaining of such a warrants would be administratively possible for all the screened passengers passing the TSA checkpoints and where the TSA would get the probable causes supported by Oaths or affirmations.

Recently the pilot Michael Roberts filled lawsuit against constitutionality of the TSA procedures:



But the body scanners are not the only problem with the TSA. Even more serious problem is that in cases when people refuse the body scans they are then subjected to so called "pat-downs", which in my opinion can have massive legal consequences for TSA.

To ilustrate: another lawsuit is about for me as european almost unbelievable assault on young girl by TSA, which would be in the european countries most probably straightforwardly considered being a fellony (and some in US already warn with prosecutions too - LINK) and of course the reason for the employer compulsorily and immediately suspend the involved officers.

Prisonplanet.com reports:
One of the most disturbing, which is subject to an ongoing lawsuit, involved a 21-year-old college student from Amarillo Texas. The woman was passing through security at Corpus Christi airport on May 29 2008 when she was subjected to “extended search procedures” by the TSA.

“As the TSA agent was frisking plaintiff, the agent pulled the plaintiff’s blouse completely down, exposing plaintiffs’ breasts to everyone in the area,” the lawsuit said. “As would be expected, plaintiff was extremely embarrassed and humiliated.”

TSA workers continued to laugh and joke about the incident “for an extended period of time,” leaving the woman distraught and needing to be consoled. After the woman re-entered the boarding area, TSA workers continued to humiliate her over the incident.

“One male TSA employee expressed to the plaintiff that he wished he would have been there when she came through the first time and that ‘he would just have to watch the video,’” the suit said.

The woman filed an administrative claim against the TSA but was forced to launch a full lawsuit after the agency failed to respond.

The incident bears similarities to a 2002 case involving a pregnant woman who had her breasts exposed by TSA agents in public. Her husband was thrown in the airport jail for complaining about the treatment of his wife.
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The above examples clearly constitute federal criminal offence and the threats about the criminal prosecution against the TSA officers seriously are not a joke. 18 USC Sec. 2246/3 defines the legal term Sexual Contact for the purpose of sec. 2244 defining crime of Abusive sexual contact as:
"intentional touching, either directly or through the clothing, of the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, degrade, or arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person"

18 USC Sec. 2244/b makes the merit described by the above definition punishable by fine AND imprisonment if there is not the permission by the one who was touched (even he is adult not speaking about children) - giving the permission to touch the intimate places we can seriously doubt it was anytime expressly given by anybody in cases of TSA officers touching the intimate places of the checked persons -even the checked generally agreed with some check taking place instead of the body-scan. One can really hardly imagine something like the permission required by the sec. 2244 ever happened during the TSA checks.

As it looks to me: Completely generally speaking the legal status of TSA checks is that the body scanners are clearly unconstitutional by 4th Amendment if the TSA has no warrants issued under probable cause and supported by Oaths or affirmations (under penalty of perjury), and moreover the TSA policy to subject the people refusing body-scanners to the "pat-downs" is stragforwardly criminal in general sense from the definition by 18 USC sec. 2244/b and 2246/3 respectively, because the there given definition contains the word "harass" which what it clearly is when TSA refers the people refusing the body-scans to the "pat-downs" involving the touching the intimate body parts without express permission - to reiterate "either directly or through the clothing, of the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks" and can of course then involve abuse, humiliation and degradation as well.

Moreover what I think there could be now federal criminal indictment not only against the particular TSA officers harassing and abusing the air-passengers, but also against the TSA officials for complicity because it was them who in fact ordered the "pat-down" policy for those refusing body-scaners - and this has possible huge repercussions not inly in possible fining and jailing them, but in fact with consequences stemming from the Mandatory restitutions under 18 USC sec. 2248 ("In General. - notwithstanding section 3663 or 3663A (LINK), and in addition to any other civil or criminal penalty authorized by law, the court shall order restitution for any offense under this chapter.") for TSA as a whole -which - if one considers usual amounts in restitutions for sexual harassments ordered by US courts - could quickly send TSA to the bankruptcy if the policy of "body-scan or pat-down" would not be abandoned immediately.

LINK to the full text of the respective USC sections

Some even paradoxicly think TSA activities could even fall under the definition of domestic terrorism in sec. 802 of the Patriot Act:
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US Congress already heard from J.J. Duncan the key information the former Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff represents the company Rapiscan selling the body scanners - which probably constitutes a case of conflict of interest at the HSD which advocates the body-scanners. J.J. Duncan openly said "This is much more about money than it is about security." LINK
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rob balsamo
post Nov 17 2010, 07:36 PM
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Hi Tume,

The way the TSA justifies the 4th Amendment issue is the fact that as a passenger, you gave up your right to the 4th Amendment the moment you bought a ticket and decided to enter the airport.

The problem here is that the TSA also claims to reserve the right that they can sue you (read: extortion) for 10K, even if you turn around and walk away.

This is very much a slippery slope as what is going to happen when an "Underwear Bomber" (who are escorted by men in well tailored suits), attempt to detonate a bomb in your local Walmart and/or Supermarket where you buy your food?

Are we on the path to institute illegal searches (made legal by choice: eg, "You want food? You will be searched. If you don't want to be searched, don't come in here!") in every public place on this Earth?

After that, will people be required to go through a search before leaving their house? Perhaps cameras will be required in their house due to limited resources?

People may laugh at such a notion. But passengers would have laughed at such a notion of Naked Body Scanners just 20 years ago.

This is why it is so pertinent for people to research the events of 9/11 and the causes which relate to the loss of Freedom, and conditioning of "Give up your Liberty For Security"... for everyone.

Once the masses understand Problem - Reaction - Solution, and the agenda of those in power, they will have a clear picture.
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post Nov 17 2010, 07:54 PM
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It is my understanding that the entire point of TSA is 110,000 government jobs financed by ordinary people.

It is also my understanding that whoever makes the scanners or whatever…also make a lot of tax payer dollars.

It appears that security…is not the issue…
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post Nov 18 2010, 01:44 AM
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Hi Rob,

I think in the legal sense the TSA is a federal agency instituted by public incorporation and therefore IS directly or indirectly a subject of the enumeration by the US Constitution.
A basic principle of the legal constitution in US in general as I see it from a distance is that the federal power has no more rights than the rights they are enumerated in the bill called Constitution of the United States. This is confirmed by the 9th Amendment of The US Constitution in plain English.
Moreover the Right of the Liberty is mentioned by The Declaration of Independence, which as I see it is the base of the bases of the legal constitution of the United States as a legal power in general, and the Right of Liberty is there again in plain English provided with the important attribute of "unalienable". The term unalienable in legal sense means this Right of Liberty cannot be waived in any case and any case of an attempt to do so is in legal sense completely void from the very beginning. Unalienable Right in other words means you're not provided by a Right to waive it.
The argument of TSA is I think not valid in the legal sense, because the security of the person against the abuse thereof is in other words immanently only the other definition of the Liberty in general sense. Where the security against the unreasonable or even abusive searches is one of the Rights particularly enumerated in the bill called US Costitution amendments called Bill of Rights is reserved to the people clearly describing the condition of reasonability: a warrant issued uder probable cause supported by Oath or affirmation (which both are subjected to the penalties if broken or false either by US Constitution itself or the penal code).
Moreover if then the particular legal definition provided by the US penal code additionaly defines some particular behaviour violating this Right of Liberty in general sense as a criminal offence this has in legal sense nothing to do with waiving or not any constitutional right anyway, because it is already also a subject of particular interdiction derived from the original powers enumerated, using a bill directly enforceable in this case the 18 USC - enforceable in US, all its dominias, prisons and due to some precedents in case of sec. 2244, what a surprise, even in indian territories.
Even you would for instant example waive your right to not be stripsearched, even you do it in written, it would not prevent it to be then a criminal offence to stripsearch you in the public, because the legal definition elsewhere in the federal penal code defines exposing genitals etc. to the public being a criminal offence anyway in general.
To make it even more paradoxical in fact the subduing to the body-scanner would be a criminal offence in itself of you if you do voluntarily, because you then potentially expose your intimate parts to more persons than the "public" is in fact defined in the USC. But it isn't your criminal offence in fact, because the fact your Right to Liberty is violated by coercion fully transfers the resposibility for the crime to the persons they directly or indirectly coerced you to do so and thereby violated your inalienable Right of the Liberty, because in legal sense it is then them and no one else who did such an exposure by will, not you.
Of course any fine by TSA for not exposing your genitals etc. either to body-scanner procedures or to the "pat-down" molestation would be not enforceable in any US court in general and I really seriously doubt TSA would ever even try it, because their legal department (maybe I overestimate their intelect) must be aware of the very probable massive repercussions of trying to do so. Such a threat of the fine of 10K on the other hand paradoxicly nevertheless clearly can be considered as an act of "domestic terrorism" under sec. 802 of The Patriot Act, because it is clearly act "appearing to be intended to coerce civilian population" in itself, and because the coercion is defined as an unlawful enforcement, which the enforcement to expose your intimous parts either to body-scan or touch of the TSA officers without express permision clearly is even if we forget about Constitution - because the effectual law for this case is the penal code alone anyway.
I think an institution of the searches as you write about (in supermarket and like) is possible but never would be legal, because there never will be the legal constitution of the United States abolished - for simple reason - no state survives its Constitution, because the state IS its constitution, everything else is a life in its territory. And it is valid twice for states which are based on enumeration of unalienable rights. The people not only cannot waive them, they are in the case of the US at the same time burden by the duty - in the very legal sense! - because enumerated in The Declaration of Independence - to throw off any government which evinces to alienate them. I think, I hope I'm not too optimist, to finally preclude it would be in the case of Americans and their practical and fervent exercise of the other Rights mentioned in the US Constitution practically not much a problem at all. Although I think it would be indeed even easier if they would finally comprehend the notion of Problem-Reaction-Solution scam you mention.

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THANKS P4T!!!

Posted at 911NewsCentral.com:

http://911newscentral.com/2010/11/18/pilot...11-truth-forum/
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post Nov 18 2010, 10:44 PM
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Thanks again Rob for all the work you've done on behalf of american legal principles.

This is a good effort at encouraging a bit of civil disobedience, as it were, in the finest traditions of Henry Thoreau and Martin Luther King.

I must admit I would never have thought that the american people would have revolted at anything at all, but it seems to have happened over this patdown business. I'm so happy I haven't had to fly the airlines in probably 9 months by now.

I'm hoping that americans will emulate the europeans and start showing up at the airport naked. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 15 2010, 12:55 PM) *
In just 4 short years, Pilots For 9/11 Truth has grown to over 300 Verified Pilots and Aviation Professionals, almost 3000 forum members, even more petition signors, and continues to grow.

Great news Rob and well done. Thanks also to all those who have contributed to putting the bricks of truth in place. Those who have helped Rob reconstruct those unlikely impossible flight paths and CIT for making the OCT Pentagon story so obviously a fraud.

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