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rob balsamo
post Dec 4 2010, 10:38 PM
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Update - it appears this story has many conflicting reports. Please read the whole thread before replying or making a decision.


This was forwarded to me by a friend at American Airlines....

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"I, Gene Hackemack, received this email from my good friend Tedd Petruna,
a diver at the NBL facility [Neutral Buoyancy Lab], at NASA Houston,
whom I used to work with. Tedd happened to be on this same Flt. 297,
Atlanta to Houston.


In my opinion, the Muslims are all getting very brave now..read Tedd's
story below. Semper Fi


PS: Can you imagine, our own news media now are so politically correct
that they are afraid to report that these were all Muslims... unbelievable.
Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna.


One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father.. On
Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home If you read the papers the
18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from
Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone
before takeoff. It was on Fox.


This was NOT what happened.


I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full
attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout
the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the
stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that
time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in
the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and
very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for
she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the
time. He ignored her as if she was not there.


The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the
2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger
Muslims, one in the back aisle, and one in front of him, window, began
to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were
very loud about it. Now - they are only permitted to do this prior to
Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman
via mirror with his back to her..(don't ask me.. I don't make the rules,
but I've studied) The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to
have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said
"shut up infidel dog!"


She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in
Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk
the cabin.


This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I
heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say "I got your
back." I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said
"you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!" As I "led"
him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back
of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the
2nd man and said, "You WILL do the same!" He protested but adrenaline
was flowing now and he was going to go..


As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4
police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease
and desist for they had this under control.. I was happy to oblige
actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all
11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.


We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen,
when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced,
eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess
from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having
NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal.
She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane
with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going
to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were
allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and
told the agent "we and our crew will not fly this plane!" After a word
or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes
later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.


Again...this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked "What the
hell is going on!?!?" I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for
the delay and I would be home shortly.
I said "I'm getting off this plane". The stewardess sternly told me that
she could not allow me to get off. (now I'm mad!) I said "I am a grown
man who bought this ticket, who's time is mine with a family at home and
I am going through that door, or I'm going through that door with you
under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!" And I heard a voice
behind me say "so am I". Then everyone behind us started to get up and
say the same.


Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more
agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this
point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that
flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got
here at 12:30am.


Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston.


If this wasn't a dry run, I don't know what one is. The terrorists
wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and
how the passengers would handle it.


I'm telling this to you because I want you to know.
The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes.
-Tedd Petruna"


I then asked a friend at AirTran if the above had any merit, this was the response....

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The company kept it pretty hush hush but I have heard the guy that reportedly was on the flight was actually *not* on the flight. Who knows if it was real or not...


This was my reply....

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Someone knows... if it was real or not.

Wouldnt it be nice if we all did?

Hope you're doing well my friend. Be safe...


My opinion?

If it wasn't real, "The Company" [AirTran], would not be "hush hush about it".

They would send out a memo signed by management stating that it is not real, instead of what appears to be leaking a rumor that it's not true.
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post Dec 5 2010, 12:23 AM
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I have just been sent this link....


http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/what-happ...-on-flight-297/


There appears to be a few conflicting reports.

It would be nice to know the crew names and statements from the crew.

If anyone has such information, please post it..
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post Dec 5 2010, 01:41 AM
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the story is a crock of merde.
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post Dec 5 2010, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Dec 5 2010, 12:41 AM) *
the story is a crock of merde.


Thank you for your input Albert.

I would also love to hear why you feel that way.
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post Dec 5 2010, 04:27 AM
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Tedd Petruna, who works for Raytheon wasn't on Flight 297. He and his friend Gene Hackemack are obviously Muslim bashers, or agents.


AirTran ‘hero' wasn't on plane, airline says
By Alexis Stevens
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

It's a little easier to understand why a Houston man who claimed to have thwarted a potential terrorist attack on a flight leaving Atlanta has not answered repeated requests to tell his story.
He was not on the plane, AirTran Airways says.
"After conducting additional research into this situation, we have verified, according to flight manifests [legally binding documents] that the individual that allegedly created a first-hand account of events on-board AirTran Airways Flight 297, a Theodore Petruna, was never actually on-board the flight," AirTran said in a statement, which the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution was the first to obtain.
An e-mail from a Tedd Petruna, in which he told the AJC via a Facebook message Friday was intended only for friends and family, made the rounds online this week after a friend apparently forwarded it to others. In a matter of days, Petruna's account appeared in chat rooms and blogs and on conspiracy theorists' Web sites.
The AJC was forwarded the e-mail dozens of times this week, as readers saw Petruna's tale and noticed conflicting information between it and earlier news reports of the flight delay Nov. 17. Some readers simply asked the AJC to further investigate the matter.
But others who forwarded the message accused the AJC of participating in a politically correct cover-up.
The intriguing story made for intense fodder among bloggers.
Petruna's story appeared in a blog on the Web site for The Project 9.12, a group started by Fox News commentator Glenn Beck. A Canadian news site picked up the story. Dallas Morning News airline columnist Terry Maxon made it the subject of his blog for a second time this week on Friday. And snopes.com, a Web site that sniffs out rumors to decipher between fact and fiction, followed the story.
In its continued investigation into the incident, the AJC made several attempts to speak to Petruna about the incident. He has declined throughout the week to respond to repeated e-mail and phone attempts by the AJC to talk to him. That last request was made Saturday.
Additionally, AJC interviews with people on the plane, airline officials and federal agencies did not corroborate his story.
According to AirTran, shortly after 4:40 p.m. on Nov. 17, Flight 297 bound for Houston taxied toward the runway of Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. But before the Boeing 717 made it to the runway, the pilot decided to return the plane to the gate. A flight attendant had apparently asked a male passenger twice to put away a cellphone or camera, but the man had not done so. The flight attendant then took the device from the man.
At the gate, the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.
When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, AirTran and Transportation Security Administration officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling with him, to reboard, and the flight left for Houston a little more than two hours later. Later, officials said the entire incident was the result of a miscommunication.
Nancy Deveikis was seated directly behind the unidentified man on the flight. She believes he spoke Spanish. Deveikis said the man was looking at pictures on a camera and did not understand the flight attendant's requests to turn the device off.
Petruna's account was drastically different. It was forwarded to others by A. Gene Hackemack, who vouched for him as a former NASA colleague. Petruna claimed he witnessed an incident involving Middle Eastern passengers on the flight and attempted to stop the incident from escalating.
"I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said ‘you will go sit down or you will be thrown from this plane,' " Petruna wrote. Continuing, Petruna said 11 men dressed in "full attire" speaking Arabic got on the plane together.
Hackemack, when reached by telephone earlier this week at his Texas home, stood by the story and gave the AJC a home phone number for Petruna. Hackemack did not respond to a request for comment Friday by the AJC.
"Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna," wrote Hackemack wrote in the e-mail he forwarded.
Keith Robinson didn't make it to the gate in time to board Flight 297 for its initial attempt to depart. Robinson, a Texas chaplain, said he watched as upset crew members and passengers poured back into the terminal after the incident on the plane.
"You could tell something was going on," Robinson told the AJC. Robinson said a passenger getting off the plane asked him whether he intended to get on the plane and fly to Houston.
"I'm a chaplain, that's where I'm supposed to be," Robinson said he told the man.
Robinson said the flight to Houston was a quiet one, giving him time to write down his account of what he had seen.
"The feeling that I have from what I observed is there was intentional intimidation," Robinson said. "It was almost an ethnic bullying situation."
Robinson recounted what he witnessed for reporters at KHOU-TV in Houston on Thursday. Petruna, however, told the station that he could not appear on camera.
In an e-mail to the AJC Saturday evening, Robinson said whether or not Petruna was on the flight, the incident aboard the plane caused fear among the flight's crew members.
A replacement flight crew was brought on board, but that is not uncommon, AirTran said. A delay such as this one could quickly affect scheduling for later flights, according to AirTran spokesman Christopher White.
"We have reserve crews ready to jump in at a moments notice," White said late Saturday.
Friday afternoon, AirTran responded to Petruna's allegations in a point-by-point response to his e-mail, posted on the airline's internal Web site and made available to the media.
"There are no reports of any passenger standing up in a threatening manner," according to the AirTran statement. "At no time was there any physical altercation between passengers."
Although AirTran previously had declined to release the flight manifest, that changed Friday evening. In addition to discounting Petruna's story, the airline responded to the amount of attention it believed the circulated e-mail was gaining, White said.
There was no way Petruna could have seen what he described on Flight 297, AirTran said in a statement. Petruna departed from Akron-Canton, Ohio, on AirTran Flight 205 on Nov. 17, officials said. He was supposed to connect to Flight 297 for Houston, but he missed his first flight out of Ohio. And therefore, he missed the connecting flight.
AirTran said Flight 297 first left its gate at 4:40 p.m., "a full 26 minutes before Flight 205 arrived at the gate in Atlanta, making this flight connection impossible."
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I thought I was having deja vu.

This story is over a year old and was debunked then.


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Forwarded email purports to convey an eyewitness account of a Muslim terrorist 'dry run' aboard AirTran Airways Flight 297 from Atlanta to Houston on November 17, 2009.

Description: Forwarded email
Circulating since: Nov. 2009
Status: Investigating

Urband Legends
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post Dec 5 2010, 08:57 AM
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Seems this quite a popular thread, 28 currently reading it! Rumour is very powerful propoganda . It's easy to start one, salt it with some state induced fear, mix and serve via local corrupt media and you watch it gain legs. It matters not that it is not real. The suggestion is mow firmly "implanted" so much so that the general popuation will not fact check. After all they only have to repeat that they report (seond hand) it was on the "NEWS". I blame Walter Cronkite. After all if old Wally said it you could believe it. This dogma of believing everything that the evening news stems from that. Dan Rather spoke the truth once an look what happened to him. Cell phones, muslims, aircraft, jihad the mind of a fluoride addled brain begins to boggle. Now back to Palin in DWTS! Propoganda complete.
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post Dec 5 2010, 08:58 AM
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i wonder if the term, "red herring",
originates from a "red heir."
To err is human?
But to forgive, the vine?

i didn't hear it through the grape vine...
and grapes are both red and green,
but probably thought of, generally as a royal purple.

It all seems so black and white,
Yet, all obscured in shades of gray.

onward!
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Rob and Company:

This incident happened a year ago Nov 17, 09
With a lot of other oppinions that delute the copy that was sent to you
Try reading Fact check Dec, 14 ,09:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/what-happ...-on-flight-297/
"Earlier this month, Petruna told KHOU-TV in Houston that he had fabricated some parts of his story, but he insisted, off-camera, that he was on board during the incident."
Other interviews are within:
"As for tales, like Petruna’s, of strong-arming of the men by other passengers, Brown says those telling such stories "obviously they live in a fantasy world and I would challenge whether they were even on the plane. But if they were, the action that they said they took, they would have had to walk right past me and then they would have been part of the problem." He says the actions by the group of men were disconcerting on their own. "The story doesn’t need to be embellished."

There are other perspectives on this story

But Petruna’s story isn’t backed up by anyone, and at this point, not even himself. One lesson from this incident: Think before you hit the send button. As passenger Brent Brown says, "I would tell people that if you’re going to embellish a real story, be careful where you post it," he tells WSB-TV. "It’s going to get out there and you’re going to be embarassed that you embellished something that was already an incredible story."
– Lori Robertson

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The real powers behind the throne are staging these events. They stage false flag events all the time.

For example, the 'underwear' bomber was deliberately allowed to enter the plane in Europe without a passport. Witnesses reported that an unknown distinguished man escorted this young man and got him through customs to board the plane. What was the outcome of this event? Our constitutional rights were stripped. Yes, all 300 million Americans have been stripped of their rights because of a single shady incident.

Immediately after this incident, Larry Chertoff, former head of Homeland Security, announced a solution: He said we should install x-ray body scanners at all airports. Later, it was exposed that he is a business associate of the company that manufactures the scanners. Of course, Mr. Chertoff will profit tremendously from the sale of the scanners.

The entire American population of 300 million (plus foreign travelers) will have to submit to x-rays when they travel or be humiliated with 'enhanced pat downs', groping of their genitals, etc.

This is not logical. This is immoral and tyrannical. Our government is pouring more money into the enormous military/industrial/global corporate system. While they are spending trillions of dollars on this system and while they have bailed out private corporations, they are planning to CUT veteran's benefits, social security, etc. Many states are beginning to cut Medicaid. And Congress has not extended unemployment benefits.

I hope everybody is beginning to see the whole picture. While the federal government has been evolving into a totalitarian dictatorship, they have also deliberately stripped Americans of their wealth, their prosperity and their civil rights.

Here is some food for thought to those who still believe the federal government is only protecting us. In 2001, 3,000 people were murdered on 9/11. I believe this was a false flag. Immediately after this horrific event, the government just happened to have the Patriot Act ready for congressional approval. This Act stripped us of many civil rights including habeas corpus. The government can now detain any citizen indefinitely without due process. They can spy on us, check our bank accounts, read our email, etc.

Since 2001, more than 150,000 people have been murdered in the United States. Hundreds of thousands have been robbed. Our borders have not been protected. Perhaps more than a million people have crossed our borders illegally since then. And interestingly, the importation of illegal drugs has flourished. You can buy cocaine and heroin anywhere. Car loads of illegal drugs are entering the US everyday. Why can't Homeland Security stop the drug trafficking?

Meanwhile the main target of the federal government's Homeland Security has become the entire American population. People need to wake up. Tyranny has already taken a stronghold of this nation.

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post Dec 5 2010, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE (soar1u @ Dec 5 2010, 08:31 AM) *
Rob and Company:

This incident happened a year ago Nov 17, 09


Yes, i think, we have become aware of this.

Regardless,
this has many of the typical signs of a false flag,
including all the questions of confirm-ability.

At this point,
i think we should regard all official sounding reports from main-stream media, with skepticism first.
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post Dec 5 2010, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (soar1u @ Dec 5 2010, 11:31 AM) *
Rob and Company:

This incident happened a year ago Nov 17, 09
With a lot of other oppinions that delute the copy that was sent to you
Try reading Fact check Dec, 14 ,09:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/what-happ...-on-flight-297/


Hi Scott,

Thanks. Yes, i posted the same link above in post 2.

This is one of the reasons we have a forum, to find the facts through discussion.

Thank you all for your input. I'll change the title of the thread to "Debunked".
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Who at this organization made the brilliant decision to spread this islamaphobic bullshit by unsolicited email. It showed up on my office email. So it looks like it is now the aim of pilots for 911 truth to spread racist lies. I'm gone. Romove my name as a core member. And I think I'll go public on ATS and GLP with the story of p4911t's new goal, that is to be a pig-faced organization of racists.
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post Dec 5 2010, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE (4nsicphd @ Dec 5 2010, 12:38 PM) *
Who at this organization made the brilliant decision to spread this islamaphobic bullshit by unsolicited email. It showed up on my office email. So it looks like it is now the aim of pilots for 911 truth to spread racist lies. I'm gone. Romove my name as a core member. And I think I'll go public on ATS and GLP with the story of p4911t's new goal, that is to be a pig-faced organization of racists.


Ummm... do i know you?

We dont have any Core members listed with your email address you used to register to this forum.

Forum members are different from Core Members.

You also may want to read the thread. Just sayin'.
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 5 2010, 12:42 PM) *
Ummm... do i know you?

We dont have any Core members listed with your email address you used to register to this forum.

Forum members are different from Core Members.

You also may want to read the thread. Just sayin'.


I'll take that to mean it was your idea. The email address that was used to send the spam I got was jrr0820@htn.net. And no, you don't know me. And that's not likely to change, unless, of course, my name is not removed from the core member list in 24 hours. Then you will get to meet me in a Miami Courtroom.
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QUOTE (4nsicphd @ Dec 5 2010, 12:59 PM) *
I'll take that to mean it was your idea. The email address that was used to send the spam I got was jrr0820@htn.net. And no, you don't know me. And that's not likely to change, unless, of course, my name is not removed from the core member list in 24 hours. Then you will get to meet me in a Miami Courtroom.


First, how can you be a Core Member, let alone me remove you from the Core Member list, when you admit I don't even know you.

In other words, you are not and never will be a Core member, so there is nothing to remove.

This is our Core Member list,

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

Secondly, yes, I did send it out. I sent it out for discussion, and if you actually read the thread you will understand that this story was not posted out of racism, rather fact checking.

And in fact, we found the story to be bogus.

Really, read the thread, and perhaps the thread title.
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this story of 11 Muslims sounds like bullshit to me. Sounds like a psyop or false flag at worse.
However the way the Americans responded is the exact SAME way they would have responded on 9/11 if any of that STORY was real, which I doubt highly now.
Until someone shows some proof of the flight manifest with all these people on it, I'd hold off spreading this one around. Could just be a fear rouser, or Muslim slammer.
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 5 2010, 01:16 PM) *
First, how can you be a Core Member, let alone me remove you from the Core Member list, when you admit I don't even know you.

In other words, you are not and never will be a Core member, so there is nothing to remove.

This is our Core Member list,

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

Secondly, yes, I did send it out. I sent it out for discussion, and if you actually read the thread you will understand that this story was not posted out of racism, rather fact checking.

And in fact, we found the story to be bogus.

Really, read the thread, and perhaps the thread title.


Yeah, once the blowback started, you changed the title. When the email came in, it had the original title. And I looked at the core member list and I am on it. So I guess we get to meet in Florida. And to help you out, I'm the one with the law degree. Which means I can be your worst friggin nightmare. And thanks for admitting that you sent out the unsolicited email. That's all that is needed to make a case under 16CFR part 316.
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Well, I certainly do NOT have a law degree...so maybe you would care to enlighten me on how one can receive "unsolicited email" from a forum community one has OPTED INTO? I'm a little foggy on that...
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QUOTE (FreshKills @ Dec 5 2010, 01:57 PM) *
Well, I certainly do NOT have a law degree...so maybe you would care to enlighten me on how one can receive "unsolicited email" from a forum community one has OPTED INTO? I'm a little foggy on that...

Well, stay a little foggy. I'm a little busy right now drafting a new thread for ATS, "Pilots for 911 Truth Admits spreading admittedly false anti-muslim story by email." Maybe one of Balsalmo's sockpuppets over there can participate. See himin Miami. And to make it easier for him, I'm on the core list right next to the Red Sox Hall of Fame left fielder.

Oh, and the other "core" members who don't speak out about this are, because of their complicity through silence, also subject to sanctions. I'm sure United is going to want to have a talk with Dan Hanley and Rick DeCosta when the State of Florida travel contract goes away. Same with US Aviation Insurance Group and Max Guiley.

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