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New Fdr Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion, What do you think?

Decalagon
post Jan 10 2011, 08:32 AM
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http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010...ltimeter_92.pdf

I'm reading the document and I am still very doubtful about what it says. Someone can give me some information about that?
Thank you.
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post Jan 28 2011, 12:01 AM
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I'll have to search for Farmer's repeated "margin of error" claims but trust me, he said it.


Okay, had a wade through the swamp tonight...

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=849

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That little 'bell shape' is what I am talking about in regards to 'error'. It is normal and it did not exist then one might think someone was making something up (pulling numbers out of their a%!). So if someone disputes the error band in the correlation of multiple measurement systems, then the dispute would only be to the variance of the band, not whether it exists or not. I have already pointed out that there are issues with both the accuracy and precision of the model. However, I understand those issues and have offered a data based adjustment to compensate for them. Sadly for P4T, the adjustment is still well SoC


I posted your path warren to gauge a response without telling them it wasn't mine:

AWSmith piped in here:

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php...675#post5639675

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What did I ask you a few days ago about the accuracy of the google earth overlays? and if the pin locations were verified via GPS on site? The physical evidence of the flight path trumps all mudlark.


I replied here:

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=880

AWSmith piped in again:

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=890

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And there you go with your push pins again, Are you that stupid? Did you not read where I asked you TWICE if the locations of your pins was verified with GPS on site? Did you not remember the problems with accuracy Google Earth has with overlays?


And here:

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=902

Beachnut had a pop here:

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=895

and here:

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=947

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Farmer is right, there are errors,.....

Too bad the air was moving on 911. Farmer is right because the air moves, the compass is not exact,


Farmer discussed "margin of error" here: (and has since removed an image)

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=923

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Mudlark, you have no idea what you just posted do you? Take the Warren decode and plot it at take-off at Dulles, then come back and we'll talk INS drift and measurement system error.

Oh never mind, I've already done it for you

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Don't tell him there are errors on google earth, then he might understand the "error band" and have to learn math.


http://govtloyalistsite.org/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=988

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Get the claims straight mudlap. BCR claims that the MEASURED path by the various instruments has an error range associated with it. The actual flight path does not have a "margin of error", only the techniques used to measure it.


All of this started because I called them out on their insistence that the aircraft could fly parallel to the Nvy Annex, North of columbia Pike and still line up with the damage. This is false.
I asked them for the "SOC path" according to the FDR data and none f them would pin their colours to the official path. That there was a margin of error in the flightpath and that unless the plotted points are done with GPS, they will also have a margin of error.

How is your path plotted Warren? I ask because i genuinely don't know.
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- Decalagon   New Fdr Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion   Jan 10 2011, 08:32 AM
- - Paul   QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 11:02 PM)...   Jan 10 2011, 09:20 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Paul @ Jan 10 2011, 08:20 AM) Mayb...   Jan 10 2011, 09:38 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 11:08 P...   Jan 10 2011, 09:59 AM
|- - Aldo Marquis CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 02:38 P...   Jan 10 2011, 09:07 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Jan 16 2011, 02...   Jan 25 2011, 09:59 AM
|- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 02:59 AM) Th...   Jan 26 2011, 12:15 AM
- - rob balsamo   The most apparent error is that they assume Radio ...   Jan 10 2011, 09:24 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 11:54 P...   Jan 10 2011, 09:35 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Paul @ Jan 10 2011, 08:35 AM) Just...   Jan 10 2011, 09:42 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 11:12 P...   Jan 10 2011, 10:03 AM
- - rob balsamo   I did a bit more reading around... even known ...   Jan 10 2011, 10:01 AM
- - SanderO   The problem is not that this is bogus research, b...   Jan 10 2011, 10:11 AM
- - rob balsamo   You raise a good point SanderO. Being that i read...   Jan 10 2011, 10:57 AM
|- - Decalagon   Thanks at all for the answers, but I'd like to...   Jan 10 2011, 01:54 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 12:54 PM)...   Jan 10 2011, 02:38 PM
||- - Decalagon   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 01:38 P...   Jan 10 2011, 03:12 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 05:54 PM)...   Jan 10 2011, 11:03 PM
- - Ligon   Over at Blogger Steven Jones, co-editor of The Jou...   Jan 10 2011, 03:17 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 10 2011, 02:17 PM) Rea...   Jan 10 2011, 03:22 PM
||- - Decalagon   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 02:22 P...   Jan 10 2011, 08:00 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 07:00 PM)...   Jan 10 2011, 09:22 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 10 2011, 02:17 PM) Ove...   Jan 10 2011, 04:24 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 11 2011, 04:47 AM) Ove...   Jan 12 2011, 01:41 AM
- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE I bet you right now Mr Frank Legge is probab...   Jan 10 2011, 04:27 PM
- - SanderO   The peer review cited in 9/11 research is pretty p...   Jan 10 2011, 04:37 PM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   It appears all the fake truth sites are deleting c...   Jan 10 2011, 10:54 PM
- - KP50   Legge works hard to link the SoC flightpath to the...   Jan 11 2011, 12:02 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE CIT claims that their witnesses to north pat...   Jan 11 2011, 12:36 AM
|- - Decalagon   QUOTE If Legge were right, We would have plowed in...   Jan 11 2011, 08:39 AM
- - tnemelckram   Hi All! Here's three posts saying what ...   Jan 15 2011, 07:10 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Jan 16 2011, 12:10 A...   Jan 16 2011, 10:43 AM
- - SanderO   While peer review is a sound approach to having qu...   Jan 16 2011, 11:15 AM
- - SwingDangler   Good day all. Nice job Rob on the Jesse show. I...   Jan 18 2011, 09:15 AM
- - rob balsamo   Hi SD, good to see ya! Feel free to send an i...   Jan 18 2011, 10:58 AM
- - rob balsamo   I was a bit bored tonight and went over to Blogger...   Jan 19 2011, 03:13 AM
- - SwingDangler   Long time no chat, gents. As an associate member o...   Jan 19 2011, 11:14 AM
- - rob balsamo   It appears Frank made some edits to that post afte...   Jan 19 2011, 11:30 AM
|- - SwingDangler   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 17 2011, 02:30 P...   Jan 19 2011, 03:14 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 19 2011, 02:14 ...   Jan 19 2011, 04:06 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE That's right grasshopper... Some...   Jan 19 2011, 04:34 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 19 2011, 03:34...   Jan 19 2011, 04:43 PM
- - rob balsamo   I briefly went over to Blogger today to see if the...   Jan 20 2011, 12:40 PM
|- - 9elevened   one of Legge's latest over at 911 blogger is t...   Jan 31 2011, 07:15 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 31 2011, 06:15 PM)...   Jan 31 2011, 07:29 PM
- - SwingDangler   Thanks, Rob. His latest logic... QUOTE After quot...   Jan 20 2011, 02:25 PM
|- - Aldo Marquis CIT   QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 20 2011, 07:25 ...   Jan 20 2011, 04:40 PM
|- - SwingDangler   QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Jan 18 2011, 07...   Jan 21 2011, 02:46 PM
- - rob balsamo   lol.... I see Legge is claiming Steven Jones tried...   Jan 20 2011, 03:16 PM
- - rob balsamo   New article just published in part as a response t...   Jan 20 2011, 05:08 PM
- - SwingDangler   Hey where do I get my official "Banned From 9...   Jan 21 2011, 02:43 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 21 2011, 01:43 ...   Jan 21 2011, 03:46 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 21 2011, 07:43 ...   Jan 21 2011, 04:49 PM
- - onesliceshort   Warren, have any of the following been made ...   Jan 25 2011, 10:52 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 30 2011, 03:52...   Jan 25 2011, 09:17 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 26 2011, 02:17 AM) No...   Jan 25 2011, 10:54 PM
||- - wstutt   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 31 2011, 03:54...   Jan 26 2011, 02:05 AM
||- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 26 2011, 07:05 AM) OS...   Jan 26 2011, 10:33 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 26 2011, 09:33...   Jan 26 2011, 12:04 PM
|||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 26 2011, 11:04 A...   Jan 27 2011, 04:04 PM
||- - wstutt   OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 31 2011, 03...   Jan 27 2011, 02:05 PM
||- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 07:05 PM) OS...   Jan 27 2011, 06:32 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 01:05 PM) Th...   Jan 31 2011, 06:47 PM
|- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 01:17 PM) No...   Jan 31 2011, 11:51 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Sorry for intervening into this. But doesn...   Jan 26 2011, 12:31 AM
|- - wstutt   OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 31 2011, 05...   Jan 26 2011, 02:37 AM
|- - mrodway   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 24 2011, 03:31...   Jan 30 2011, 09:01 AM
- - albertchampion   frank legge is a paraplegic in a sense. he hasn...   Jan 26 2011, 03:51 AM
- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE OSS, That earlier plotted path was from the...   Jan 26 2011, 08:59 AM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jan 31 2011, 01...   Jan 27 2011, 01:21 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 12:21 PM) Ex...   Jan 30 2011, 09:44 AM
|- - Atomicbomb   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jan 30 2011, 05...   Jan 31 2011, 06:48 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Atomicbomb @ Jan 31 2011, 05:48 AM...   Jan 31 2011, 10:47 AM
- - onesliceshort   From your paper Warren: QUOTE There have, however...   Jan 27 2011, 11:38 AM
|- - wstutt   OSS, I've split this reply up, since I exceed...   Jan 29 2011, 03:20 PM
- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jan 31 2011, 01...   Jan 27 2011, 02:32 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (onesliceshort)I'll have to search for F...   Jan 28 2011, 12:01 AM
|- - wstutt   OSS, QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 2 2011, 05...   Jan 30 2011, 11:54 AM
- - rob balsamo   OSS, There are all kinds of problems with the pos...   Jan 28 2011, 02:12 PM
- - onesliceshort   Cheers Rob, I just don't understand how Warre...   Jan 28 2011, 06:17 PM
- - wstutt   Part 2 QUOTE This image relating to the RADAR was...   Jan 29 2011, 03:39 PM
- - 9elevened   As a complete layman bewildered by all the (to me)...   Jan 29 2011, 07:30 PM
|- - paranoia   QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 29 2011, 06:30 PM)...   Jan 29 2011, 08:24 PM
||- - 9elevened   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 29 2011, 07:24 PM) ...   Jan 29 2011, 08:52 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 29 2011, 06:30 PM)...   Jan 29 2011, 09:49 PM
|- - Aldo Marquis CIT   QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 29 2011, 11:30 PM)...   Jan 30 2011, 01:57 AM
|- - 9elevened   <14+ witnesses at opposing vantage points all d...   Jan 31 2011, 04:10 PM
|- - 9elevened   <and the head comptroller of the time was Dov ...   Jan 31 2011, 06:07 PM
- - paranoia   in response to 9elevened: I also saw in another ...   Jan 30 2011, 05:34 AM
- - onesliceshort   There are more contradictory statements that stand...   Jan 30 2011, 09:47 AM
- - onesliceshort   Hi Warren, I've a breakdown of your responses ...   Jan 31 2011, 09:43 AM
- - rob balsamo   Warren ignores the information which destroys his ...   Jan 31 2011, 10:31 AM


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