New Fdr Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion, What do you think? |

Jan 10 2011, 08:32 AM
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http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010...ltimeter_92.pdf
I'm reading the document and I am still very doubtful about what it says. Someone can give me some information about that? Thank you. |
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Jan 10 2011, 09:24 AM
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The most apparent error is that they assume Radio Height always measures the height above the ground. Wrong.
Pilots know that you can be flying at 31,000 feet and see a Radio Height of 1000 feet (i'll let that one bake the noodle of Warren and Legge for a bit). Next, their altitude divergence is completely and utterly deceptive and wrong. First they use averages, then they source wiki under the wrong FAR as it pertains to altimeter errors, and third, they speculate altimeters errors on Transport Category Aircraft calibrated with an Air Data Computer increase at "low altitude". The paper is loaded with pure speculation, littered with errors and peppered with misleading statements. Also notice that not one verified aviation professional has signed their name to it. Reading through the document, it is clear they didn't consult anyone with an aviation background. The most blatant error (which is essentially the foundation for their whole argument), is sourcing the wrong FAR, combined with the fact that their source (wiki) also quoted the FAR they did source, wrong. If Legge and Stutt were correct, combined with actual allowable errors, this is a depiction of what would be happening daily around the world. These are just some of the most glaring errors with the paper. There are many more. Most of the paper was also debunked before it was even published. See here. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10792964 |
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Jan 10 2011, 09:35 AM
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The most apparent error is that they assume Radio Height always measures the height above the ground. Wrong. Pilots know that you can be flying at 31,000 feet and see a Radio Height of 1000 feet (i'll let that one bake the noodle of Warren and Legge for a bit). Next, their altitude divergence is completely and utterly deceptive and wrong. First they use averages, then they source wiki under the wrong FAR as it pertains to altimeter errors, and third, they speculate altimeters errors on Transport Category Aircraft calibrated with an Air Data Computer increase at "low altitude". The paper is loaded with pure speculation, littered with errors and peppered with misleading statements. Also notice that not one verified aviation professional has signed their name to it. Reading through the document, it is clear they didn't consult anyone with an aviation background. The most blatant error (which is essentially the foundation for their whole argument), is sourcing the wrong FAR, combined with the fact that their source (wiki) also quoted the FAR they did source, wrong. If Legge and Stutt were correct, combined with actual allowable errors, this is a depiction of what would be happening daily around the world. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QkCQ_-Id8zI?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QkCQ_-Id8zI?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> These are just some of the most glaring errors with the paper. There are many more. Most of the paper was also debunked before it was even published. See here. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10792964 Just reading you reply already makes me laugh this is great too good, maybe you should publish a rebbutal paper to his latest paper which claims, oh boy do i have to say it? Maybe i should start believing in fairy dust and fairies if i am ever going to believe what the paper claims, no i have got a better idea just knock me over the head with a brick. Dee Bunked already even before the paper is even published, and even just after it has just come out too good lmfao lol. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif) This post has been edited by Paul: Jan 10 2011, 09:37 AM |
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Jan 10 2011, 09:42 AM
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Just reading you reply already makes me laugh this is great too good, maybe you should publish a rebbutal paper to his latest paper ... There really isnt any need. He discredits himself just by publishing his own paper when real experts read it. Why waste time posting a full rebuttal? If people ask, i'll point out the errors. I'd rather spend my time doing real research and finishing our next presentation on NORAD, ATC and Radar. I hear even Tino (who adamantly disagreed with my work on the Flight Deck Door) has already blasted Legge as a "disgrace to the movement" after reading his paper. Seems Legge is his own worst enemy. |
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Jan 10 2011, 10:03 AM
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There really isnt any need. He discredits himself just by publishing his own paper when real experts read it. Why waste time posting a full rebuttal? If people ask, i'll point out the errors. I'd rather spend my time doing real research and finishing our next presentation on NORAD, ATC and Radar. I hear even Tino (who adamantly disagreed with my work on the Flight Deck Door) has already blasted Legge as a "disgrace to the movement" after reading his paper. Seems Legge is his own worst enemy. You know what your right keep working on what you are doing can wait to see it when it comes out it will give the detractors something else to chew on and it might even reign in some new support if we are really lucky just ignore the paid shill Mr Legge and sit back and point and laugh. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) |
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Decalagon New Fdr Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion Jan 10 2011, 08:32 AM
Paul QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 11:02 PM)... Jan 10 2011, 09:20 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Paul @ Jan 10 2011, 08:20 AM) Mayb... Jan 10 2011, 09:38 AM
Paul QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 11:08 P... Jan 10 2011, 09:59 AM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 02:38 P... Jan 10 2011, 09:07 PM
wstutt QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Jan 16 2011, 02... Jan 25 2011, 09:59 AM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 02:59 AM) Th... Jan 26 2011, 12:15 AM
rob balsamo I did a bit more reading around... even known ... Jan 10 2011, 10:01 AM
SanderO The problem is not that this is bogus research, b... Jan 10 2011, 10:11 AM
rob balsamo You raise a good point SanderO.
Being that i read... Jan 10 2011, 10:57 AM
Decalagon Thanks at all for the answers, but I'd like to... Jan 10 2011, 01:54 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 12:54 PM)... Jan 10 2011, 02:38 PM

Decalagon QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 01:38 P... Jan 10 2011, 03:12 PM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 05:54 PM)... Jan 10 2011, 11:03 PM
Ligon Over at Blogger Steven Jones, co-editor of The Jou... Jan 10 2011, 03:17 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 10 2011, 02:17 PM) Rea... Jan 10 2011, 03:22 PM

Decalagon QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 02:22 P... Jan 10 2011, 08:00 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 07:00 PM)... Jan 10 2011, 09:22 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 10 2011, 02:17 PM) Ove... Jan 10 2011, 04:24 PM
Paul QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 11 2011, 04:47 AM) Ove... Jan 12 2011, 01:41 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE I bet you right now Mr Frank Legge is probab... Jan 10 2011, 04:27 PM
SanderO The peer review cited in 9/11 research is pretty p... Jan 10 2011, 04:37 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT It appears all the fake truth sites are deleting c... Jan 10 2011, 10:54 PM
KP50 Legge works hard to link the SoC flightpath to the... Jan 11 2011, 12:02 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE CIT claims that their witnesses to north pat... Jan 11 2011, 12:36 AM
Decalagon QUOTE If Legge were right, We would have plowed in... Jan 11 2011, 08:39 AM
tnemelckram Hi All!
Here's three posts saying what ... Jan 15 2011, 07:10 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Jan 16 2011, 12:10 A... Jan 16 2011, 10:43 AM
SanderO While peer review is a sound approach to having qu... Jan 16 2011, 11:15 AM
SwingDangler Good day all. Nice job Rob on the Jesse show. I... Jan 18 2011, 09:15 AM
rob balsamo Hi SD, good to see ya!
Feel free to send an i... Jan 18 2011, 10:58 AM
rob balsamo I was a bit bored tonight and went over to Blogger... Jan 19 2011, 03:13 AM
SwingDangler Long time no chat, gents. As an associate member o... Jan 19 2011, 11:14 AM
rob balsamo It appears Frank made some edits to that post afte... Jan 19 2011, 11:30 AM
SwingDangler QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 17 2011, 02:30 P... Jan 19 2011, 03:14 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 19 2011, 02:14 ... Jan 19 2011, 04:06 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE That's right grasshopper...
Some... Jan 19 2011, 04:34 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 19 2011, 03:34... Jan 19 2011, 04:43 PM
rob balsamo I briefly went over to Blogger today to see if the... Jan 20 2011, 12:40 PM
9elevened one of Legge's latest over at 911 blogger is t... Jan 31 2011, 07:15 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 31 2011, 06:15 PM)... Jan 31 2011, 07:29 PM
SwingDangler Thanks, Rob. His latest logic...
QUOTE After quot... Jan 20 2011, 02:25 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 20 2011, 07:25 ... Jan 20 2011, 04:40 PM
SwingDangler QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Jan 18 2011, 07... Jan 21 2011, 02:46 PM
rob balsamo lol.... I see Legge is claiming Steven Jones tried... Jan 20 2011, 03:16 PM
rob balsamo New article just published in part as a response t... Jan 20 2011, 05:08 PM
SwingDangler Hey where do I get my official "Banned From 9... Jan 21 2011, 02:43 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 21 2011, 01:43 ... Jan 21 2011, 03:46 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 21 2011, 07:43 ... Jan 21 2011, 04:49 PM
onesliceshort Warren, have any of the following been made ... Jan 25 2011, 10:52 AM
wstutt QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 30 2011, 03:52... Jan 25 2011, 09:17 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 26 2011, 02:17 AM) No... Jan 25 2011, 10:54 PM

wstutt QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 31 2011, 03:54... Jan 26 2011, 02:05 AM

onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 26 2011, 07:05 AM) OS... Jan 26 2011, 10:33 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 26 2011, 09:33... Jan 26 2011, 12:04 PM


rob balsamo QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 26 2011, 11:04 A... Jan 27 2011, 04:04 PM

wstutt OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 31 2011, 03... Jan 27 2011, 02:05 PM

onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 07:05 PM) OS... Jan 27 2011, 06:32 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 01:05 PM) Th... Jan 31 2011, 06:47 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 01:17 PM) No... Jan 31 2011, 11:51 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE Sorry for intervening into this.
But doesn... Jan 26 2011, 12:31 AM
wstutt OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 31 2011, 05... Jan 26 2011, 02:37 AM
mrodway QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 24 2011, 03:31... Jan 30 2011, 09:01 AM
albertchampion frank legge is a paraplegic in a sense. he hasn... Jan 26 2011, 03:51 AM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE OSS,
That earlier plotted path was from the... Jan 26 2011, 08:59 AM
wstutt QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jan 31 2011, 01... Jan 27 2011, 01:21 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 12:21 PM) Ex... Jan 30 2011, 09:44 AM
Atomicbomb QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jan 30 2011, 05... Jan 31 2011, 06:48 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Atomicbomb @ Jan 31 2011, 05:48 AM... Jan 31 2011, 10:47 AM
onesliceshort From your paper Warren:
QUOTE There have, however... Jan 27 2011, 11:38 AM
wstutt OSS,
I've split this reply up, since I exceed... Jan 29 2011, 03:20 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jan 31 2011, 01... Jan 27 2011, 02:32 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (onesliceshort)I'll have to search for F... Jan 28 2011, 12:01 AM
wstutt OSS,
QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 2 2011, 05... Jan 30 2011, 11:54 AM
rob balsamo OSS,
There are all kinds of problems with the pos... Jan 28 2011, 02:12 PM
onesliceshort Cheers Rob,
I just don't understand how Warre... Jan 28 2011, 06:17 PM
wstutt Part 2
QUOTE This image relating to the RADAR was... Jan 29 2011, 03:39 PM
9elevened As a complete layman bewildered by all the (to me)... Jan 29 2011, 07:30 PM
paranoia QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 29 2011, 06:30 PM)... Jan 29 2011, 08:24 PM

9elevened QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 29 2011, 07:24 PM) ... Jan 29 2011, 08:52 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 29 2011, 06:30 PM)... Jan 29 2011, 09:49 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (9elevened @ Jan 29 2011, 11:30 PM)... Jan 30 2011, 01:57 AM
9elevened <14+ witnesses at opposing vantage points all d... Jan 31 2011, 04:10 PM
9elevened <and the head comptroller of the time was Dov ... Jan 31 2011, 06:07 PM
paranoia in response to 9elevened:
I also saw in another ... Jan 30 2011, 05:34 AM
onesliceshort There are more contradictory statements that stand... Jan 30 2011, 09:47 AM
onesliceshort Hi Warren,
I've a breakdown of your responses ... Jan 31 2011, 09:43 AM
rob balsamo Warren ignores the information which destroys his ... Jan 31 2011, 10:31 AM
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