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New Fdr Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion, What do you think?

Decalagon
post Jan 10 2011, 08:32 AM
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http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010...ltimeter_92.pdf

I'm reading the document and I am still very doubtful about what it says. Someone can give me some information about that?
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DoYouEverWonder
post Jan 26 2011, 08:59 AM
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That earlier plotted path was from the positions as recorded in the FDR file. As the paper explains, we adjusted the positions to match the time and position of impact. Many positions recorded in the FDR file are offset from their true positions. The positions recorded for the takeoff from Dulles are not even on a runway. As explained in the paper, we also adjusted the positions for the landings so that they would show the aircraft turning off on to a taxiway rather than on to grass.

Warren.


It sounds like you took the original data and manipulated it until you got the results you wanted. That's not how good science is done.

If you used the original data, it seems it would be easy to prove that something is seriously wrong with the FDR file from the government. But is seems you'd rather waste your time tearing down the work of PFT by trying to put lipstick on pig, in order to prove the government's version of events.
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post Jan 27 2011, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jan 31 2011, 01:59 PM) *
It sounds like you took the original data and manipulated it until you got the results you wanted. That's not how good science is done.
Exactly which data are you referring to. Do you mean the positions?

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If you used the original data, it seems it would be easy to prove that something is seriously wrong with the FDR file from the government. But is seems you'd rather waste your time tearing down the work of PFT by trying to put lipstick on pig, in order to prove the government's version of events.
I disagree. If the time recorded in the FDR file was wrong by a few seconds would that mean there is something seriously wrong with the FDR file or that the clock that the time was recorded from was wrong?

Warren.
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post Jan 30 2011, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 12:21 PM) *
Exactly which data are you referring to. Do you mean the positions?

I disagree. If the time recorded in the FDR file was wrong by a few seconds would that mean there is something seriously wrong with the FDR file or that the clock that the time was recorded from was wrong?

Warren.


I'm referring to the quote in my original response. I'll requote it again here.

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OSS,

That earlier plotted path was from the positions as recorded in the FDR file. As the paper explains, we adjusted the positions to match the time and position of impact. Many positions recorded in the FDR file are offset from their true positions. The positions recorded for the takeoff from Dulles are not even on a runway. As explained in the paper, we also adjusted the positions for the landings so that they would show the aircraft turning off on to a taxiway rather than on to grass.

Warren.


You admit that you had to adjust the positions of the plotted path to match the time and position of impact.

You admit that the positions recorded for the takeoff from Dulles are not even on the runway.

You admit that you had to adjust the positions for the landing so they would show the aircraft turning off the onto the runway.

And we're not even off the ground yet!

Like they say, garbage in = garbage out.

So if the data was so screwed up to begin with, why even bother to continue using data you already know is bad?

Here's a layman's example of what I mean:

Many years ago I went to the dentist to have my wisdom teeth pulled. On my follow up visit, the dentist came in the room and started asking me about my crowns and dentures. Since I didn't have any crowns or dentures, I asked him what the heck was he talking about. Then he looked at my chart again and said, "You're not 84 years old either, are you?" It turned out he had another patient who had the same name as me.

Now at that point he had two choices:

1: He could correct the chart and change the birth date to match mine and then continue the exam, marveling at what a good job he did on those crowns because they looked just like my real teeth. So good, that even he couldn't tell the difference or

2: He could give the chart back to his office assistant and ask her to find the correct chart.

When you found out the data you received was so screwed up that the plane wasn't even on the runway, shouldn't you have just gone back to the source of the data (ie the government) and tell them that there was a serious problem with the data and it couldn't possibly come from the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon or anything else that day? Instead you've wasted years of your time and a lot of other people's time trying to prove the official myth using data you know is bad to begin with.
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- Decalagon   New Fdr Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion   Jan 10 2011, 08:32 AM
- - Paul   QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 11:02 PM)...   Jan 10 2011, 09:20 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Paul @ Jan 10 2011, 08:20 AM) Mayb...   Jan 10 2011, 09:38 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 11:08 P...   Jan 10 2011, 09:59 AM
|- - Aldo Marquis CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 02:38 P...   Jan 10 2011, 09:07 PM
|- - wstutt   QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Jan 16 2011, 02...   Jan 25 2011, 09:59 AM
|- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 02:59 AM) Th...   Jan 26 2011, 12:15 AM
- - rob balsamo   The most apparent error is that they assume Radio ...   Jan 10 2011, 09:24 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 11:54 P...   Jan 10 2011, 09:35 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Paul @ Jan 10 2011, 08:35 AM) Just...   Jan 10 2011, 09:42 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 10 2011, 11:12 P...   Jan 10 2011, 10:03 AM
- - rob balsamo   I did a bit more reading around... even known ...   Jan 10 2011, 10:01 AM
- - SanderO   The problem is not that this is bogus research, b...   Jan 10 2011, 10:11 AM
- - rob balsamo   You raise a good point SanderO. Being that i read...   Jan 10 2011, 10:57 AM
|- - Decalagon   Thanks at all for the answers, but I'd like to...   Jan 10 2011, 01:54 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 12:54 PM)...   Jan 10 2011, 02:38 PM
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|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (Decalagon @ Jan 10 2011, 05:54 PM)...   Jan 10 2011, 11:03 PM
- - Ligon   Over at Blogger Steven Jones, co-editor of The Jou...   Jan 10 2011, 03:17 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 10 2011, 02:17 PM) Rea...   Jan 10 2011, 03:22 PM
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|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 10 2011, 02:17 PM) Ove...   Jan 10 2011, 04:24 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Ligon @ Jan 11 2011, 04:47 AM) Ove...   Jan 12 2011, 01:41 AM
- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE I bet you right now Mr Frank Legge is probab...   Jan 10 2011, 04:27 PM
- - SanderO   The peer review cited in 9/11 research is pretty p...   Jan 10 2011, 04:37 PM
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|- - Decalagon   QUOTE If Legge were right, We would have plowed in...   Jan 11 2011, 08:39 AM
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|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Jan 16 2011, 12:10 A...   Jan 16 2011, 10:43 AM
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- - SwingDangler   Good day all. Nice job Rob on the Jesse show. I...   Jan 18 2011, 09:15 AM
- - rob balsamo   Hi SD, good to see ya! Feel free to send an i...   Jan 18 2011, 10:58 AM
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|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (SwingDangler @ Jan 19 2011, 02:14 ...   Jan 19 2011, 04:06 PM
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|- - SwingDangler   QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Jan 18 2011, 07...   Jan 21 2011, 02:46 PM
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|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 26 2011, 02:17 AM) No...   Jan 25 2011, 10:54 PM
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|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 12:21 PM) Ex...   Jan 30 2011, 09:44 AM
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