Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking Fdr Data To American 77, FDR Data Exceeds Capabilities Of A 757, Does Not Support Impact |

Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking Fdr Data To American 77, FDR Data Exceeds Capabilities Of A 757, Does Not Support Impact |
Jan 20 2011, 04:55 PM
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Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking FDR Data to American 77
FDR Data Exceeds Capabilities Of A 757, Does Not Support Impact With Pentagon (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Flight Data Recorder Expert Dennis Cimino has confirmed that the data being provided through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is missing crucial information, which according to Dennis, should be present and link the data to a specific aircraft and fleet. The NTSB provided three sets of data through the FOIA for what they claim is from American 77, N644AA. A csv file, an animation reconstruction and a raw data file. Rob Balsamo of Pilots For 9/11 Truth along with numerous other aviation experts, including trained Aircraft Accident Investigators have analyzed these files and determined they do not support an impact with the Pentagon. The data also exceeds the design limitations and capabilities of a standard 757 by a wide margin. This is based on data, precedent and numerous verified experts, including those who have actual flight time in the aircraft reportedly used for the 9/11 attacks (See - "Flight Of American 77", "9/11: Attack On The Pentagon" and "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" at Pilotsfor911Truth.org for full detailed analysis and interviews). One file in particular, the compressed binary raw file alleged to be a direct data dump from the Flight Data Recorder, was recently analyzed by an alleged computer expert. He has claimed to decode 4 more seconds worth of data, above and beyond the NTSB decode, although the "additional" data has not been verified by anyone. The claim was made that the reason the NTSB did not decode this "additional" data is because the software used by the NTSB, along with the software used by the manufacturer of the FDR (L3 Communications), has an alleged "bug". If correct, this has grave consequences for Flight Safety as Flight Data is used in the promotion of safe flight through changes in regulation and procedure. The NTSB and L3 have been contacted, along with an Aviation Safety Report being filed with NASA. There hasn't been any reply confirming such a "bug". A paper was recently published by the mentioned computer "expert" along with an alleged Chemist as the authors. They claim the extra 4 seconds support an impact with the Pentagon. They base this claim on a Radio Altimeter parameter in which the NTSB has listed as "Not Working or Unconfirmed" in the NTSB FDR Report(1). When cross-checked with the "Working and Confirmed" Primary Altimeter True Altitude data, the aircraft is still too high to hit the Pentagon(2). This can only mean that the Radio Altimeter was measuring from an object above ground level. Radio Altimeters do not guarantee measurement from the ground. The device measures whatever object you are flying over within a certain range (a building, trees... etc). The tracking capability of the Radio altimeter is 330 feet per second, or a little under 200 knots(3). According to the data, the aircraft was traveling at a speed of 460-480 knots. Well outside the limits of the Radio Altimeter tracking capability, not to mention well outside the capabilities of a standard 757. It is interesting that the authors, editors and Journal in which the above mentioned paper is published is highly critical and skeptical of the National Institute Of Standards And Technology (NIST) data and reports with respect to the collapse of the World Trade Center, yet is now attempting to use unverified data from another government agency to support the government story regarding a Pentagon impact. Motives are even more puzzling especially when the NTSB data in fact does not support an impact while exceeding the performance limitations and capabilities of a standard 757 as set by the manufacturer based on wind tunnel and flight testing, by a wide margin. This is also corroborated by precedent. It is also clear the paper was not reviewed by any aviation expert prior to publish, as it is littered with speculation and gross errors. For more information regarding this paper and the numerous errors it contains, please see the discussion at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum(4). FDR Expert Dennis Cimino further goes on to state: Dennis Cimino experience and qualifications: Electrical Engineer Further confirmation that there isn't any evidence linking the FDR data to "American 77", tail number N644AA is discussed here: Can The Govt Get Their Story Straight? - Location Of Flight Data Recorder Lies, Conflicting Reports, Cover-Up's - Location of American 77 Flight Data Recorder - Part II 9/11 Aircraft 'black Box' Serial Numbers Mysteriously Absent Interview With Flight Data Recorder Expert So, if the data is not from N644AA, does not support an impact at the Pentagon, and in fact exceeds the capabilities and performance of a standard 757, what caused the damage at the Pentagon? That is exactly what Pilots For 9/11 Truth are trying figure out and the reason there needs to be a new and truly independent investigation. Some wish to ignore this data, some without expertise attempt to analyze it while attempting to say, "nothing to see here folks, move along..". Please write your Congressional Representatives and Senators. Call into talk shows, tell them there is a growing list of aviation professionals who question the government version of events on 9/11. Tell them the data being provided through the FOIA does not support the government story. Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center Attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/join to join. (1) http://www.ntsb.gov/info/AAL77_fdr.pdf (2) http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10778240 (3) http://www.rockwellcollins.com/ecat/at/LRA-900.html (4) http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20960 |
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Thank you for your extensive work to provide us with this information. I will tell others. Some will listen, while others will not. Disturbing their cognitive dissonance with proof puts many into an uneasiness or tension that they choose not to deal with. Tell them anyway. "There is nothing more dangerous than personal initiative; if it has the genius behind it, such initiative can do more than can be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord." A quote from something that I believe they wrote, so telling others upsets their plans and they have to go to plan B. Now, lets get the public to force the governments to stop poisoning our skies with Chemtrails.
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rob balsamo Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking Fdr Data To American 77 Jan 20 2011, 04:55 PM
Dennis Cimino first, I have a lot of stuff, as it's been a l... Jan 20 2011, 07:54 PM
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Aldo Marquis CIT Where's "Warren Stutt"? Jan 20 2011, 08:31 PM
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maturin42 Excellent, Rob. Nice work, Dennis. Jan 20 2011, 11:53 PM
Dennis Cimino QUOTE (maturin42 @ Jan 21 2011, 04:53 AM)... Jan 21 2011, 06:08 AM
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rob balsamo QUOTE (woodbourne @ Jan 21 2011, 12:07 AM... Jan 21 2011, 08:01 AM
tinynate that's just a great post, Dennis, thanks for y... Jan 21 2011, 04:20 AM
Dennis Cimino QUOTE (tinynate @ Jan 21 2011, 09:20 AM) ... Jan 21 2011, 06:05 AM
tcrofton Thanks for such a clear and thoughtful presentatio... Jan 21 2011, 08:12 AM
spacecadet QUOTE (tcrofton @ Jan 21 2011, 07:12 AM) ... Jan 21 2011, 09:17 PM
Dennis Cimino 'JamesAt17' date='Jan 21 2011, 01:22 P... Jan 22 2011, 02:39 AM
rob balsamo Alex picked it up this morning...
http://www.pris... Jan 21 2011, 09:20 AM
Paul QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 21 2011, 07:25 A... Jan 21 2011, 10:13 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE [I]t just all comes down to two data fields ... Jan 21 2011, 11:35 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 21 2011, 10:35... Jan 21 2011, 02:48 PM
SwingDangler Nail. Check.
Hammer. Check.
Coffin. Check.
So ... Jan 21 2011, 12:42 PM
rob balsamo Hi SD,
We have to be careful..... "nonsense... Jan 21 2011, 02:24 PM
rob balsamo I have received a few questions regarding this sta... Jan 21 2011, 04:12 PM
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Johnny Angel Recovering Evidence.. Identifying evidence.
Rem... Jan 21 2011, 06:04 PM
albertchampion sir,
i don't know enough to agree with all th... Jan 22 2011, 04:18 AM
aerohead Why was Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon an imposs... Jan 22 2011, 05:15 AM
aerohead Im not sure what the argument is about the RA... Jan 22 2011, 05:32 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (aerohead @ Jan 22 2011, 04:32 AM) ... Jan 22 2011, 07:10 AM
SanderO Is the RA similar to a radar which rapidly returns... Jan 22 2011, 08:10 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (SanderO @ Jan 22 2011, 07:10 AM) A... Jan 22 2011, 08:26 AM
aerohead QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 22 2011, 07:26 A... Jan 22 2011, 03:43 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (aerohead @ Jan 22 2011, 02:43 PM) ... Jan 22 2011, 04:44 PM
aerohead Thanks for correcting me Rob. When i said its dea... Jan 22 2011, 05:50 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (aerohead @ Jan 22 2011, 04:50 PM) ... Jan 22 2011, 05:56 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT wstutt
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richard cranium Thank you Mr. Cimino for not only your excellent P... Jan 23 2011, 07:16 PM
wstutt Hi Dennis Cimino,
I have now decoded the FLEET ID... Jan 24 2011, 11:40 AM
Dennis Cimino QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 24 2011, 04:40 PM) ... Jan 24 2011, 03:54 PM
wstutt Dennis Cimino,
QUOTE (Dennis Cimino @ Jan 29... Jan 25 2011, 11:17 AM
rob balsamo Warren,
I have emailed Dennis to come take a look... Jan 24 2011, 01:39 PM
wstutt Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 29 2011, 06... Jan 25 2011, 12:01 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 11:01 AM) Mo... Jan 25 2011, 12:12 PM
rob balsamo Looks like you have another problem Warren. The 75... Jan 24 2011, 04:13 PM
Pier69 Hi Dennis, could you explain (please) the LRRA tra... Jan 24 2011, 04:32 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (Pier69 @ Jan 24 2011, 03:32 PM) Hi... Jan 24 2011, 04:52 PM
wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 29 2011, 09:13 P... Jan 25 2011, 10:50 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 09:50 AM) Do... Jan 25 2011, 12:02 PM
wstutt Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 30 2011, 05... Jan 25 2011, 10:05 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 09:05 PM) Ro... Jan 25 2011, 10:22 PM

wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 31 2011, 03:22 A... Jan 27 2011, 12:15 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 27 2011, 11:15 AM) I ... Jan 27 2011, 02:44 PM

wstutt Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 1 2011, 07... Jan 30 2011, 10:05 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 30 2011, 09:05 AM) Ro... Jan 30 2011, 03:48 PM

wstutt Rob,
I'll respond to some points for now.
QU... Jan 30 2011, 09:13 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 30 2011, 08:13 PM) Ro... Jan 30 2011, 10:21 PM

Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 31 2011, 03:21 A... Jan 31 2011, 12:02 AM

wstutt Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 5 2011, 03... Jan 31 2011, 04:22 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 31 2011, 03:22 AM) Ro... Jan 31 2011, 09:33 AM

rob balsamo QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 31 2011, 08:33 A... Feb 1 2011, 10:32 PM
wstutt Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 30 2011, 05... Jan 30 2011, 01:06 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 30 2011, 12:06 AM) Ro... Jan 30 2011, 01:25 AM
wstutt Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 4 2011, 06... Jan 30 2011, 09:22 AM
rob balsamo I will correlate all of the below with the RA data... Jan 30 2011, 01:55 PM
rob balsamo Well... Dennis got back to me faster than I though... Jan 24 2011, 05:07 PM
Pier69 QUOTE Hi Pier,
Long time no see. Where ya been?
... Jan 24 2011, 05:37 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Pier69 @ Jan 24 2011, 04:37 PM) Ho... Jan 24 2011, 05:49 PM
Pier69 QUOTE Ah Ha! So you are the one who found Stev... Jan 24 2011, 06:20 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Pier69 @ Jan 24 2011, 05:20 PM) Ye... Jan 24 2011, 06:29 PM
Pier69 QUOTE In the meantime, i highly recommend you read... Jan 24 2011, 06:45 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Pier69 @ Jan 24 2011, 05:45 PM) Ok... Jan 24 2011, 06:54 PM
Pier69 QUOTE Again. good to see ya.. .and dont hesitate t... Jan 24 2011, 08:02 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Pier69 @ Jan 24 2011, 07:02 PM) Ye... Jan 24 2011, 08:47 PM
aerohead Lots of good stuff so far in this thread.
Not o... Jan 25 2011, 04:33 AM
SwingDangler QUOTE (aerohead @ Jan 23 2011, 06:33 AM) ... Jan 25 2011, 01:14 PM
Pier69 Rob, no one of your links answer the question.
I ... Jan 25 2011, 02:08 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (Pier69 @ Jan 25 2011, 01:08 PM) Ro... Jan 25 2011, 02:24 PM
Pier69 QUOTE Which links? Which question in particular ar... Jan 25 2011, 02:50 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (Pier69 @ Jan 25 2011, 01:50 PM) I... Jan 25 2011, 03:23 PM

wstutt QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 30 2011, 08:23 P... Jan 25 2011, 10:38 PM

rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 25 2011, 09:38 PM) I ... Jan 25 2011, 10:48 PM
aerohead QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 25 2011, 01:24 P... Jan 27 2011, 02:58 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (aerohead @ Jan 27 2011, 01:58 AM) ... Jan 27 2011, 05:37 AM
SwingDangler Any chance of posting the other FDR files these me... Jan 25 2011, 12:58 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Fli... Jan 26 2011, 01:36 AM
onesliceshort Very interesting post Tume. Jan 26 2011, 09:48 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt)OK, so since RA is supposedly limite... Jan 27 2011, 09:52 AM
wstutt QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 1 2011, 02:52 ... Jan 27 2011, 12:22 PM
onesliceshort QUOTE (wstutt)OK, so since RA is supposedly limite... Jan 27 2011, 11:10 PM
wstutt QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 2 2011, 04:10 ... Jan 30 2011, 10:20 AM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 30 2011, 09:20 AM) OS... Jan 30 2011, 12:53 PM
wstutt Rob,
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 4 2011, 05... Jan 30 2011, 01:46 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (wstutt @ Jan 30 2011, 12:46 PM) Th... Jan 30 2011, 02:09 PM
IslandPilot UH, Please pardon me for "interrupting" ... Jan 30 2011, 09:50 PM
aerohead Oh you cursed brat, look what you've done ... Feb 1 2011, 02:00 AM
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