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Jan 21 2011, 12:55 PM
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I am familiar with marine recreational auto pilots and how they work. Marine navigation is a 2 navigational problem and considers the curve of the globe as flat for short distances. Long distance will require constant change of compass heading and trace a great circle as opposed to a rhumb line course. I understand how the heading to waypoint is calculated and updated and corrections applied to the rudder. Lots of number crunching and feedback.
Aviation however introduces a third axis - elevation. This is controlled by flaps and so forth, but not being a pilot I am not familiar with how this all works. I do understand that if you change the airfoil shape on one wing and not the other the plane will turn or the tail flap is moved to make a turn. I don't need a flying lesson but I can see the complexity in 3D autopilot control with so many means to control turns and climbs or descent. My question is when did these auto pilot systems go operational for large planes? Did this come after the DOD turned off selective availability of GPS or was it accurate enough with the SA on? Did / Do aviation GPS use DGPS or land stations for increased accuracy? Do the land based signals provide 2 D or 3 D data? How are aviation auto pilots used? Are the navigation from waypoint to waypoint set by the pilot? Does this include altitude as well? Or are the waypoints established by ground based beacons? Do pilots program headings or waypoints into their APs? When were APs certified for landing commercial airliners? |
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Jan 30 2011, 06:23 PM
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Group: Troll Posts: 1,174 Joined: 23-December 09 From: NYC Member No.: 4,814 |
Heck I know loran was decommissioned and everything has a position. I was awkwardly describing the problem of obtaining a fix when you are moving very fast. I know tracks and CPA and so forth. But it seems moving at jet speeds and in 3 axis makes this a very complex problem not to mention that moving through the air is different than ON the water as there are more control surfaces and so forth.
I'm not quitting my day job, but I have sailed single handed from St Maarten to NYC.... and didn't hit anything either. hahaha |
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Jan 30 2011, 08:14 PM
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I'm not quitting my day job, but I have sailed single handed from St Maarten to NYC.... and didn't hit anything either. hahaha Yeah.. me too.. .several times, even at speeds of over 450 knots where i couldnt see anything in front of my face till 100-200 feet above the ground. Try navigating the Great South Bay of Long Island from the Hamptons to Jones Beach, at night. Then i'll be a bit impressed. The above routes were weekend fun for us.... Some of us even did it in tow... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v214/96/93/567322101/n567322101_719690_4566.jpg) |
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SanderO Aviation Auto Pilots Jan 21 2011, 12:55 PM
amazed! Autopilots have been evolving for decades. Bill L... Jan 22 2011, 11:56 AM
bobcat46 There are autopilots and then there are remote con... Jan 22 2011, 12:34 PM
SanderO I have read about various scripts to substitute pl... Jan 22 2011, 01:26 PM
amazed! Yes, to supplement and control the autopilot, some... Jan 22 2011, 02:21 PM
IslandPilot QUOTE (SanderO @ Jan 21 2011, 11:55 AM) I... Jan 22 2011, 03:15 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (IslandPilot @ Jan 22 2011, 02:15 P... Jan 22 2011, 06:42 PM
aerohead Im sure most of you have seen this but im gonna po... Jan 29 2011, 05:30 PM
IslandPilot QUOTE (aerohead @ Jan 29 2011, 04:30 PM) ... Feb 8 2011, 05:01 PM
aerohead QUOTE (IslandPilot @ Feb 8 2011, 04:01 PM... Feb 10 2011, 08:20 PM
SanderO Island Pilot,
Thanks for the lesson... Very compr... Jan 29 2011, 06:07 PM
IslandPilot QUOTE (SanderO @ Jan 29 2011, 05:07 PM) I... Feb 1 2011, 02:04 PM
amazed! Don't give up your day job, SanderO
Loran w... Jan 30 2011, 06:17 PM
amazed! How far is it to Jones Beach Rob? That's quit... Jan 30 2011, 10:19 PM
rob balsamo QUOTE (amazed! @ Jan 30 2011, 09:19 P... Jan 31 2011, 12:04 AM
amazed! Live and learn. Some don't get the chance.
G... Jan 31 2011, 08:45 PM
SanderO The great south bay is so shallow you can walk acr... Jan 31 2011, 08:57 PM
IslandPilot A picture is worth a thousand words:
Handheld GPS ... Feb 1 2011, 03:52 PM
SanderO Island Pilot,
Awesome description of GPS and Lora... Feb 1 2011, 06:12 PM
amazed! SanderO
The autopilot controls the airplane (flig... Feb 2 2011, 11:48 AM
aerohead QUOTE (amazed! @ Feb 2 2011, 10:48 AM... Feb 3 2011, 02:15 AM
SanderO Is this separate from the mechanical or "fly ... Feb 2 2011, 12:40 PM
amazed! "Fly by wire" is a fairly new process fo... Feb 2 2011, 04:25 PM
amazed! Rubber angle?
I thought rubber was something abou... Feb 4 2011, 10:16 PM
aerohead I believe the rubber angle is connected to the muf... Feb 5 2011, 03:43 AM
SanderO It's the angle where the rubber meets the road... Feb 5 2011, 09:26 AM
amazed! We're getting a bit detailed here. I'm ju... Feb 5 2011, 12:02 PM
SanderO Amazed,
I am an architect and a sailor who has a ... Feb 5 2011, 01:27 PM
aerohead QUOTE (SanderO @ Feb 5 2011, 12:27 PM) Am... Feb 5 2011, 06:02 PM
amazed! SanderO
I think we've already mentioned it he... Feb 6 2011, 12:47 PM
SanderO I am not doubting that it can be done. I am tryin... Feb 6 2011, 01:48 PM
amazed! Probably, but I don't know. And it doesn... Feb 6 2011, 04:44 PM
SanderO Am I understanding you correctly in that the plane... Feb 6 2011, 05:04 PM
amazed! This is only my speculation.
Just as they taxi Pr... Feb 6 2011, 05:18 PM
SanderO I don't want to wander off topic... of there w... Feb 7 2011, 10:25 PM
amazed! I am of the opinion that all the "passengers... Feb 7 2011, 10:59 PM
amazed! IP
I live about 5 miles from the 2 St. Lucie reac... Feb 9 2011, 11:45 AM
SanderO The crashing of a plane into a structure is strayi... Feb 10 2011, 11:30 PM
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