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Aviation Auto Pilots

SanderO
post Jan 21 2011, 12:55 PM
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I am familiar with marine recreational auto pilots and how they work. Marine navigation is a 2 navigational problem and considers the curve of the globe as flat for short distances. Long distance will require constant change of compass heading and trace a great circle as opposed to a rhumb line course. I understand how the heading to waypoint is calculated and updated and corrections applied to the rudder. Lots of number crunching and feedback.

Aviation however introduces a third axis - elevation. This is controlled by flaps and so forth, but not being a pilot I am not familiar with how this all works. I do understand that if you change the airfoil shape on one wing and not the other the plane will turn or the tail flap is moved to make a turn. I don't need a flying lesson but I can see the complexity in 3D autopilot control with so many means to control turns and climbs or descent.

My question is when did these auto pilot systems go operational for large planes?

Did this come after the DOD turned off selective availability of GPS or was it accurate enough with the SA on? Did / Do aviation GPS use DGPS or land stations for increased accuracy? Do the land based signals provide 2 D or 3 D data?

How are aviation auto pilots used? Are the navigation from waypoint to waypoint set by the pilot? Does this include altitude as well? Or are the waypoints established by ground based beacons?

Do pilots program headings or waypoints into their APs?

When were APs certified for landing commercial airliners?
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SanderO
post Feb 5 2011, 01:27 PM
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Amazed,

I am an architect and a sailor who has a sailboat and installed a "below decks" AP. I am not a pilot and was simply curious about the complexity and the vulnerability of these systems for use in programmed flight "paths" or "tracks" (don't know the aviation term or remote controlled ones.

I raise this issue because remote control and or "homing in" to a beacon has been mentioned to explain the plane behavior on 911.

I am trying to comprehend the technology involved and how reliable and accurate it would have been in 2001.
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- SanderO   Aviation Auto Pilots   Jan 21 2011, 12:55 PM
- - amazed!   Autopilots have been evolving for decades. Bill L...   Jan 22 2011, 11:56 AM
- - bobcat46   There are autopilots and then there are remote con...   Jan 22 2011, 12:34 PM
- - SanderO   I have read about various scripts to substitute pl...   Jan 22 2011, 01:26 PM
- - amazed!   Yes, to supplement and control the autopilot, some...   Jan 22 2011, 02:21 PM
- - IslandPilot   QUOTE (SanderO @ Jan 21 2011, 11:55 AM) I...   Jan 22 2011, 03:15 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (IslandPilot @ Jan 22 2011, 02:15 P...   Jan 22 2011, 06:42 PM
- - aerohead   Im sure most of you have seen this but im gonna po...   Jan 29 2011, 05:30 PM
|- - IslandPilot   QUOTE (aerohead @ Jan 29 2011, 04:30 PM) ...   Feb 8 2011, 05:01 PM
|- - aerohead   QUOTE (IslandPilot @ Feb 8 2011, 04:01 PM...   Feb 10 2011, 08:20 PM
- - SanderO   Island Pilot, Thanks for the lesson... Very compr...   Jan 29 2011, 06:07 PM
|- - IslandPilot   QUOTE (SanderO @ Jan 29 2011, 05:07 PM) I...   Feb 1 2011, 02:04 PM
- - amazed!   Don't give up your day job, SanderO Loran w...   Jan 30 2011, 06:17 PM
- - SanderO   Heck I know loran was decommissioned and everythin...   Jan 30 2011, 06:23 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (SanderO @ Jan 30 2011, 05:23 PM) I...   Jan 30 2011, 08:14 PM
- - amazed!   How far is it to Jones Beach Rob? That's quit...   Jan 30 2011, 10:19 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (amazed! @ Jan 30 2011, 09:19 P...   Jan 31 2011, 12:04 AM
- - amazed!   Live and learn. Some don't get the chance. G...   Jan 31 2011, 08:45 PM
- - SanderO   The great south bay is so shallow you can walk acr...   Jan 31 2011, 08:57 PM
- - IslandPilot   A picture is worth a thousand words: Handheld GPS ...   Feb 1 2011, 03:52 PM
- - SanderO   Island Pilot, Awesome description of GPS and Lora...   Feb 1 2011, 06:12 PM
- - amazed!   SanderO The autopilot controls the airplane (flig...   Feb 2 2011, 11:48 AM
|- - aerohead   QUOTE (amazed! @ Feb 2 2011, 10:48 AM...   Feb 3 2011, 02:15 AM
- - SanderO   Is this separate from the mechanical or "fly ...   Feb 2 2011, 12:40 PM
- - amazed!   "Fly by wire" is a fairly new process fo...   Feb 2 2011, 04:25 PM
- - amazed!   Rubber angle? I thought rubber was something abou...   Feb 4 2011, 10:16 PM
- - aerohead   I believe the rubber angle is connected to the muf...   Feb 5 2011, 03:43 AM
- - SanderO   It's the angle where the rubber meets the road...   Feb 5 2011, 09:26 AM
- - amazed!   We're getting a bit detailed here. I'm ju...   Feb 5 2011, 12:02 PM
- - SanderO   Amazed, I am an architect and a sailor who has a ...   Feb 5 2011, 01:27 PM
|- - aerohead   QUOTE (SanderO @ Feb 5 2011, 12:27 PM) Am...   Feb 5 2011, 06:02 PM
- - amazed!   SanderO I think we've already mentioned it he...   Feb 6 2011, 12:47 PM
- - SanderO   I am not doubting that it can be done. I am tryin...   Feb 6 2011, 01:48 PM
- - amazed!   Probably, but I don't know. And it doesn...   Feb 6 2011, 04:44 PM
- - SanderO   Am I understanding you correctly in that the plane...   Feb 6 2011, 05:04 PM
- - amazed!   This is only my speculation. Just as they taxi Pr...   Feb 6 2011, 05:18 PM
- - SanderO   I don't want to wander off topic... of there w...   Feb 7 2011, 10:25 PM
- - amazed!   I am of the opinion that all the "passengers...   Feb 7 2011, 10:59 PM
- - amazed!   IP I live about 5 miles from the 2 St. Lucie reac...   Feb 9 2011, 11:45 AM
- - SanderO   The crashing of a plane into a structure is strayi...   Feb 10 2011, 11:30 PM


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