9/11gate, "AA77" FDR numerology Options

[tumetuestumefais...]

I was looking into the "AA77" FDR record to find out how the Lat/Lon coordinates were shifted by Mr. Stutt and Legge to get the plane on the runway. So I've chosen the map closest to 2001 and I've plotted the last "AA77" landing, taxiing in, standing at the gate, taxiing out and the last takeoff:
(IMG:http://xmarinx.sweb.cz/situation1.png)

(The numbers are numbers of subframes in the FDR and they can also serve as a timing, because their step is one second. So for example when you've frame number 145840 and frame number 145860 it means they're 20 seconds from each other. Only point when it is interrupted is when the plane stands, then the FDR is not recording - in our case at the subframe count 146180. The needed data were provided to me by Mr. Warren Stutt)

Everybody sees at the situation picture that the coordinates taken from the FDR are off.
How much off they are?
I was looking what a reference I can find for landing and I've found the point where the plane sharply turned from the runway to the taxi circuit.

From the logic of the landing, the overal visible shift and the trajectory pattern is absolutely clear where it was:
(IMG:http://xmarinx.sweb.cz/turn.png)

Then I've got a strange idea and I've decided to measure the distance and angle to the position where the plane quite clearly parked to and departed from the gate:
(IMG:http://xmarinx.sweb.cz/1666.66.png)

From the distance number is clear that we keep up with the perps at least numerologically... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Let's have a break and have a look what number had the gate where the "AA77" was boarded and departed. We easily find it in the Wikipedia:

"The flight boarded through Gate D26, in Midfueld Concourse D at Dulles."

or here:

"In 2001, American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, left gate D26 at Dulles en route to Los Angeles International Airport, but it was hijacked and deliberately crashed into the Pentagon as part of the September 11 attacks."

Let's yet have look into govt. documents...yep, it is there (page 29):

"Flight 77 pushed back from Dulles Gate D-26 at 8:09 A.M."

Boring. Let's go back to our little petty plots.

Now we need to measure the same distance and the same angle from the point where the plane sharply turned to the taxi circuit:
(IMG:http://xmarinx.sweb.cz/turn-gate.png)

And where the line ends?
Here:
(IMG:http://xmarinx.sweb.cz/gate-gate.png)

Lets look what number the gate has:
(IMG:http://xmarinx.sweb.cz/IAD-ConcourseD.png)
SOURCE

It's not completely clear what a number the gate has - we have there two gates:
9 and 11.

[rob balsamo]

I was notified of the latest from Farmer in a poor attempt to squash this analysis (since its clear he cannot explain away the IRS data).



Out of all his deceptions, this perhaps has to be his most blatant. He seems to be getting desperate.

The above is claimed to be an exchange between "Ground Control" and "American 77" requesting push off the gate and taxi to runway 30.

There are many problems with the above.

First....

The gate is referred to as "Dixie 26". Aviation Phonetic Alphabet for "D" is "Delta". Cops use "Dixie" (Farmer claims to be a former 'Detective').

Although some old timer pilots do use "Dixie", but it is mostly done in a Delta base (such as ATL or CVG). I used to fly for the largest carrier out of IAD. I never heard "Dixie" from anyone.

Next, when pushing from a gate, pilots are required to contact Ramp Control first. Ramp control for south of Concourse Delta is 130.55 (IIRC).

After you get clearance from Ramp for the push, you push... start engines... do your after start checks... then get clearance from Ramp Control to taxi to a spot available to contact Ground Control before entering the Taxiways.

This spot is Spot 82 if one were to taxi from Gate Delta 26 to Runway 30. It is on the west side of the ramp before you enter the taxiways.

So, if someone were to make an actual tape recording of the incident and for it to sound authentic, it would sound something like this...

(Before Start Check, before start check complete)

"Morning Ramp, American 77 ready for push, Delta Twenty Six, expecting runway thirty, "

"American 77 push approve"

"push approved, American 77"

(push commences... push stops when in position... tug disconnect... all clear... engine start.. .after start checks)

"Ramp, American 77 ready for taxi".

"American 77, Ramp, Taxi to spot 82 and contact ground".

"Spot 82, American 77"

(aircraft taxi's to spot 82)

"Morning ground, American 77, spot 82 with information Echo, taxi"

"American 77, Dulles Ground. .good morning, taxi to runway 30 via Foxtrot, Yankee".

"Fox, Yankee to 30, American 77"

(taxi's to runway 30, hold's at hold short lines, contacts tower.. and this is what would be heard from there)



(by the way, the voice in the above video is all mine... and people think you cant morph a voice? I did the above video with no training whatsoever and 45 dollar editing software.. i'm sure it shows.. but you get my point.. i hope)

After all that is said, Farmer still has that pesky problem of lat/long in his own data which doesnt support his claims.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pics/IAD_Adjust_D26.jpg)

Farmer, try again.

[rob balsamo]

"Morning Ramp, American 77 ready for push, Delta Twenty Six, expecting runway thirty, "

"American 77 push approve"

"push approved, American 77"

(push commences... push stops when in position... tug disconnect... all clear... engine start.. .after start checks)

"Ramp, American 77 ready for taxi".

"American 77, Ramp, Taxi to spot 82 and contact ground".

"Spot 82, American 77"

(aircraft taxi's to spot 82)

"Morning ground, American 77, spot 82 with information Echo, taxi"

"American 77, Dulles Ground. .good morning, taxi to runway 30 via Foxtrot, Yankee".

So after giving the cesspit a full script of what its suppose to sound like when pushing from a gate, low and behold, i'm sent this...



Only problem is that when "AA77" contacted ground in the first audio, "AA77" claims he is at D26, not Spot 82.



So either the above pilot did not taxi to Spot 82 and contact ground and therefore disobeying an instruction, or someone doesnt know how to follow a proper script.


When contacting ground, pilots reference a Ramp Spot number, not a gate. There are 18 different Spots on the Midfield Terminal Ramp numbering 70-83 and 100-105. How the heck is Ground control supposed to know which Spot "AA77" is exiting from the Ramp if he was only told a Gate?

Answer - He doesnt.

Try again guys.

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And again, we already have several sources claiming "AA77" departed Gate D26. Tume posted them on the first page of this thread. But thanks for the corroboration. If the above audio is authentic (and for some reason the pilot screwed up), it further proves the data did not come from "AA77", unless of course they want to think the aircraft taxied on and took off from.. .grass.

FDR Lat/Long adjust for a D26 Push

First there wasnt any evidence linking the data to American 77, N644AA.

There is now overwhelming evidence that the data in which the NTSB provided, did not come from any aircraft described as "American 77".

1. Aircraft do not start their engines at the gate, corroborated by the Rampers statements. (If the engines were started at the gate, the rampers wouldnt have pushed at all. They would be standing far away).
2. The more than 3000' offset in the raw data. Not possible if the data were from "AA77" as American Airlines requires a full alignment prior to each flight.
3. After the data is adjusted to properly fit the taxiways and runway, it did not come from D26.

Thanks to Randi's Kids for the corroboration, but we already know the govt claims "AA77" pushed from D26.

Now you just have to get us lat/long data showing that, preferably data which has already been aligned as required by American Airlines.

The data which has been provided thus far, does not support a push from D26, it doesnt support American Airlines SOP, nor does it support an impact with the Pentagon. Please show us what happened to AA77 and its passengers! It's been almost 10 years!