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Mark Bingham Missing From Flght 93 Manifest

Aldo Marquis CIT
post Feb 27 2011, 10:36 PM
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This is old but deserves to be here...

SOURCE: Terry McDermott's book, Perfect Soldiers. "These were amongst a bunch of investigative files he obtained from the FBI while researching his book." http://www.911myths.com/index.php/The_Passengers


His name is missing and some suggest it is because he changed his flight...

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Mark Bingham, 31, was also supposed to have flown to San Francisco last Monday (9/10). But he hadn't recovered sufficiently from the 30th birthday celebration of his roommate in Manhattan, so he decided to wait until Tuesday morning.

He overslept a 6 a.m. alarm and just made his flight when his friend Matt Hall of Denville, N.J., rushed through traffic to get him there.

Hall remembered the 6-foot-5 Bingham running to the terminal. The former rugby star at the University of California at Berkeley was lugging his old team canvas bag, emblazoned with his name and number. Flying on a companion pass from his aunt, a flight attendant, Bingham was the last to board.

Driving to work, Hall got a call from Bingham to say he had made the flight and was sitting in seat 4D in first class.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c.../17/MN40630.DTL



Changing flights doesn't mean your name is left off, does it? Cause Tom Burnett changed his flight also...

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Deena Burnett wasn't expecting to hear from him until later. Tom had spent the weekend with family in Bloomington, Minn., and had gone on to Newark for business that was expected to take him through Tuesday.

But Monday night, Tom e-mailed his boss, Keith Grossman, relaying his plans to take the earlier flight. He may have wanted to surprise his wife; in any event, he hadn't called ahead.
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post Feb 27 2011, 10:37 PM
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Look at Burnett's 4B, it looks like someone changed a 'D' to a 'B'.

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post Feb 27 2011, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Feb 28 2011, 03:37 AM) *
Look at Burnett's 4B, it looks like someone changed a 'D' to a 'B'.



It really does, doesn't it??
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post Feb 28 2011, 12:02 AM
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What would that mean if the number was changed?

Is this the seating arrangement?
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post Feb 28 2011, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE (BarryWilliamsmb @ Feb 28 2011, 05:02 AM) *
What would that mean if the number was changed?

Is this the seating arrangement?


Hi Barry, I think this quote is relevant to the possible number change and the fact Bingham's name is absent from the manifesto..

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Driving to work, Hall got a call from Bingham to say he had made the flight and was sitting in seat 4D in first class.
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post Feb 28 2011, 12:37 PM
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See how many contradictions you can find..


http://www.tomburnettfoundation.org/tombur...transcript.html

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6:34 ( pacific time) The phone rang in on call waiting, Tom’s second cell phone call.

Deena: Hello
Tom: They’re in the cockpit. The guy they knifed is dead.
Deena: He’s dead?
Tom: Yes. I tried to help him, but I couldn’t get a pulse.
Deena: Tom, they are hijacking planes all up and down the east coast. They are taking them and hitting designated targets. They’ve already hit both towers of the World Trade Center.
Tom: They’re talking about crashing this plane. (a pause) Oh my God. It’s a suicide mission…(he then tells people sitting around him)
Deena: Who are you talking to?
Tom: My seatmate.
Do you know which airline is involved?
Deena: No, they don’t know if they’re commercial airlines or not. The newsreporters are speculating cargo planes, private planes and commercial. No one knows.

Tom: How many planes are there?
Deena: They’re not sure, at least three. Maybe more.
Tom: O.K….O.K….Do you know who is involved?
Deena: No.
Tom: We’re turning back toward New York. We’re going back to the World Trade Center. No, wait, we’re turning back the other way. We’re going south.
Deena: What do you see?
Tom: Just a minute, I’m looking. I don’t see anything, we’re over a rural area. It’s just fields. I’ve gotta go.
He hung up.


Massaoui trial transcript excerpt.

*sorry for lining to the site btw

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A. Yes, sir, this is Thomas Burnett, Jr. Records, airphone records indicate that Mr. Burnett made three phone calls from rows 24 A, B, and C and 25 A, B, and C. However, Thomas's wife, Deena, reported that there may have been additional cell phone calls made to her.

Q. So, she spoke to her husband repeatedly that day, is that correct?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Could you summarize what it is that Mr. Burnett told his wife in those various calls about the events that were occurring on Flight 93.

A. Mr. Burnett told his wife Deena that he was on Flight 93 from Newark to San Francisco and it had been hijacked. They, meaning the hijackers, had a bomb and in addition had knifed a passenger.

Q. Anything else about what else was going to occur on the plane?

A. Well, his wife said that other planes had flown into the World Trade Center. He said he had known this. He said that he heard the hijackers speaking about flying 93 into the ground. He realized it was a suicide mission, that they would have to do something to take back the plane.


It's gone from him "breakin the news" to other passengers (particularly his supposed "seatmate" - Bingham?) to "we already know this".

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/06/04...alls/index.html

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"The one thing that the [Justice Department] made irrefutably clear to us was that to the extent we disclose any information, we are only aiding the terrorists," said Hamilton Peterson, whose father and stepmother were on United Flight 93.

But one relative, Alice Hoaglan -- whose son Mark Bingham called her from one of the flights -- recounted for reporters her final call from her son.

"'Mom, this is Mark Bingham. I just want to tell you that I love you. I am on a flight from Newark to San Francisco. There are three guys on board who have taken over the plane and they say they have a bomb. You believe me don't you, Mom? I'm calling you from the air phone.' And then we were disconnected," Hoaglan said, her voice breaking.

She quickly added, "That's not information I got today. That's information I got at 6:44 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time [on September 11, 2001] from the lips of Mark Bingham."



http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/2001...ersetnat3p3.asp

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"Kathy Hoglan of Los Gatos, California says her nephew, Mark Bingham, 31, did not specifically mention a plan to tackle the hijackers in his cell phone call to her at 9:44 a.m. Eastern time.
Bingham managed only to tell his aunt and mother, Alice Hoglan, that the plane had been hijacked and that he loved them before the phone "went dead," Kathy Hoglan said. But the six-foot-five-inch former University of California rugby player undoubtedly would have joined any such effort, she said.


Massaoui trial.

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Q. Who is that caller?

A. Mark Bingham, he was originally assigned seat 4-D, but he placed four calls from row 25 DEF.

Q. Okay. Who were those calls made to?

A. The 9:37 call was the only call that essentially made a connection, 166 seconds. He attempted to contact his mother in California.
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post Sep 4 2011, 07:43 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/unexpected-legacy-le...-flight-93.html

Chilling voicemails from 9/11 hero's mom
Unexpected legacy left by hero of Flight 93
Yahoo! 9/11 10th Anniversary Site – Fri, Sep 2, 2011




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post Sep 4 2011, 10:15 PM
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i don't pretend to know what is going on with this woman, but cell phone calls from linearly moving airliners at altitude could neither have been connected to a cell phone service provider on that day nor completed to any of the purported recipients.

in fact, as i recall, in the moussaie[sic] trial, the fbi admitted that they had no evidence that any telephone calls from any airliner on that day had resulted in any form of connection.

is my memory accurate about that fbi admission?

even if it isn't, based on the technology of that era, even in today's era, cell phone calls could neither be completed nor sustained from any airliner at any altitude unless it was slowly circling a cell tower.

therefore, all these recollections/reports of cell phone calls are either hysterical false memories, deliberately fraudulent recollections, or the result of intell service black op communications.




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post Sep 8 2011, 10:35 AM
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Hi ac,

Here are the list of calls allegedly made from Flight 93, claimed by the FBI at the Massaoui "trial":


http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc.../EdwardFelt.png
BATHROOM - 09:58:00 - NO DURATION TIME GIVEN
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...wardFeltPic.png

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc.../ToddBeamer.png
32DEF - 09:42:44 - 0 SECS
32DEF - 09:42:44 - 0 SECS
32DEF - 09:43:48 - 0 SECS
32DEF - 09:43:48 - 3925 SECS (GTE OPERATOR)

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...draBradshaw.png
33DEF - 09:35:40 - 353 SECS
33DEF - 09:49:30 - 0 SECS
33DEF - 09:50:04 - 470 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...rionBritton.png
33ABC - 09:49:12 - 232 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...omasBurnett.png
24ABC and 25ABC - 09:30:32 - 28 SECS
24ABC and 25ABC - 09:37:53 - 62SECS
24ABC and 25ABC - 09:44:23 - 54 SECS


http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...MarkBingham.png
25DEF - 09:36:10 - 5 SECS
25DEF - 09:37:03 - 166 SECS
25DEF - 09:41:20 - 0 SECS
25DEF - 09:41:53 - 3 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...ndaGronlund.png
26DEF - 09:46:05 - 71 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...CeeCeeLyles.png
32ABC - 09:47:57 - 56 SECS
CELLPHONE - 09:58:00 - NO TIME GIVEN

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...JeremyGlick.png
27DEF - 09:37:41 - 7565

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...nGrandcolas.png
23DEF - 09:39:21 - 46 SECS
23DEF - 09:40:42 0 SECS
23DEF -09:41:34 - 4 SECS
23DEF - 09:42:03 - 2 SECS
23DEF -09:42:25 - 3SECS
23DEF - 09:42:45 - 3 SECS
23DEF - 09:43:44 - 7 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...skaMartinez.png
34ABC - 09:45:37 - 0 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...osephDeLuca.png
26DEF - 09:42:13 - 14 SECS
26DEF - 09:43:03 - 130 SECS
09:48:48 - 0 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...HonorWainio.png
33ABC - 09:53:43 - 269 SECONDS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...endant2UA93.png
34ABC - 09:31:14 - 2 SECS
34ABC - 09:32:29 - 95 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...endant1UA93.png
33ABC - 09:35:36 - 4 SECS

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc...endant2UA93.png
34ABC - 09:31:14 - 2 SECS
34ABC - 09:32:29 - 95 SECS
34ABC - 09:35:48 - 4 SECS

Ceecee Lyles and Edward Felt appear to be the only cellphone calls allegedly "on record".

Problems..

1. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...MM01282001a.jpg

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2. If both cellphone calls were allegedly made around 09:58AM. I think it would be useful to see what the alleged FDR data says about altitude, etc at that time so we have a solid claim to refute as per the OCT. (The FDR on Fl93 is over my head, hopefully somebody could point me in the right direction?)

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all i can say in response.

hello mom, this is your son, albert champion........
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Sep 8 2011, 06:56 PM) *
all i can say in response.

hello mom, this is your son, albert champion........


Don't forget "you do believe me don't you?"

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Victoria Ashley has solved the "mystery" of how cellphones were used at high altitude:

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To review, the main argument used to support the theory that the cell phone calls attributed to Flight 93 passengers were faked goes like this:

Given that several calls from the jetliner when at altitude were reportedly from cell phones; and that cell phone calls on a plane above 10,000 feet cannot communicate with ground cell stations; it follows that the reported calls were not made by the victims but were faked.
A fatal flaw in this syllogism is exposed by the following simple hypothesis, apparently first published on this page in June of 2009.

HYPOTHESIS:
A self-powered cell phone repeater the size of a shoe box is placed on board Flight 93 within a piece of luggage. The repeater is sufficiently powerful to establish reliable connections with ground stations for several minutes at a time, and forwards all the communications between the cell phones aboard the plane and ground stations. The repeater is programmed to broadcast on a separate encrypted channel a duplicate of all the call data in real time, which is monitored by operatives who have ability to block any of the calls at any time.


Besides being technically straightforward, this method would have afforded the attack planners great benefits with little risk of exposure. Genuine reports of the theatrics of the red-bandanna-wearing bomb-displaying Arabic-looking patsies aboard Flight 93 could be allowed to get through as long as the operatives wanted, adding realism to the hijackings so central to the official account. But the same operatives could "cut the feed" at the moment events took a turn threatening to evince something other than that account.

Source


Uh huh, uh huh... wall.gif

*expletives removed*

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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 27 2011, 11:43 PM) *
It really does, doesn't it??


Forgive me if I state the obvious and it has already been discussed, but at the top of the Manifest, some Hijacker details have also been changed also (seat numbers i think).
Anyone know who changed them?
Was it possible they were sat apart on initial booking then moved to be closer together?

* sorry it's ok. Looks like it was done by the OP as the writing was faded*

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