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rob balsamo
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Overwhelming Evidence Pentagon Aircraft Data Is Not From An American Airlines 757


03/03/11 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) When Pilots For 9/11 Truth was founded in the late summer of 2006, the objective was to find evidence supporting what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission as many theories were rumored that elements within the US Government might have had something to do with 9/11. Co-Founder Rob Balsamo explains how he was puzzled and motivated to pursue further research into the events of 9/11 in his citation at PatriotsQuestion911.com, which lead to the formation of Pilots For 9/11 Truth. More than four years of solid research through Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests, numerous interviews and expert analysis has revealed no hard evidence supporting or linking to -- and in many instances factually conflicting with -- conclusions made by the 9/11 Commission. Now there is overwhelming evidence which suggests the data that is being provided to the public through the FOIA, is not from an aircraft which has been operated by American Airlines.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth analysis of data being provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has revealed the data does not support an impact with the Pentagon, exceeds the capabilities of a standard 757/767 by a wide margin, while demonstrating control issues for an "inexperienced pilot" (See 9/11: Attack On The Pentagon, 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, and Flight Of American 77). The data itself does not support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. When contacted, the NTSB and the FBI refused to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth went on to research if there was any evidence linking the data to N644AA (the aircraft described as "Flight 77"), once again, there is no evidence to support the government version of events(1). Research was also performed to determine if there was any evidence whatsoever linking the limited number of parts found at the Pentagon, to N644AA(2). In an unprecedented turn of events, the parts were never verified by any government agency for any of the four aircraft reported to have been used on 9/11. In all instances, there hasn't been any evidence provided by government agencies to support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. Further analysis reveals evidence demonstrating the data provided was not generated by an American Airlines airplane in the case of the attack on the Pentagon.

DATA FRAME LAYOUT

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have been provided several files through the FOIA. One file in particular, a raw Flight Data Recorder file which is described as a direct download from the FDR, contains binary code which needs to be decoded for a proper readout in a spreadsheet such as Excel. In order to decode such data, a Data Frame Layout is required. Derived from a generic Boeing Data Frame Layout, American Airlines provided it's own custom made Data Frame Layout which was designed for decoding data from aircraft within the American Airlines fleet, based on airline needs exclusive to American Airlines (AAL). The custom made AAL Data Frame Layout was unable to decode the data in full, and in some instances, neither the AAL Data Frame Layoyut nor the generic Boeing Data Frame Layout were able to be utilized in decoding the data(3). Why would American Airlines design their own custom Data Frame Layout if it cannot decode data from their aircraft? Or perhaps the data being provided is not from an American Airlines jet?

FLIGHT DECK DOOR

Pilots For 9/11 Truth also found, according to the data, there is no evidence suggesting a "Hijack" had occurred. A Flight Deck Door parameter shows the door closed for the entire flight. No evidence has been provided thus far which shows the Flight Deck Door open in order to facilitate a "Hijack".(4)

LATITUDE/LONGITUDE

Further evidence that the data is not from an American Airlines jet nor American Airlines Flight 77, comes in the form of Latitude and Longitude (Lat/Long) coordinates in the data itself. When plotted, the Lat/Long coordinates are more than 3,000 feet in error at time of departure from Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD). According to American Airlines 757/767 Operating Manual, along with several American Airlines 757/767 Captains, the navigational instruments (known as an IRS or Inertial Reference System), is aligned at the gate, prior to all flights(5). If such an error is observed in an American Airlines airplane, the aircraft is grounded until fixed. It would never leave the gate. If such an error was encountered during taxi to the runway, the Captain would have had to return to the gate until it was fixed.(6)

DEPARTURE GATE AND FULL ALIGNMENT

According to official reports and audio provided by government agencies, American Airlines Flight 77 departed from Gate D26 at IAD(7). However, when the Lat/Long data is adjusted for the 3,000+ foot offset, the data shows a departure from a gate other than D26(8). American Airlines requires a full alignment (as opposed to a "fast alignment") prior to every flight with the pilots physically inputting the Lat/Long coordinates of the gate, provided by navigational charts, into their navigational system. The aircraft should have never left the gate with such a large error within it's navigational system. Although some aircraft have the ability to update it's position in flight, an "update" is very different from an alignment. Any "updates" in flight will not be accurate if the initial alignment was not achieved at the gate. It is interesting to note that Military Aircraft are capable of in flight alignment of an Inertial Navigation System.

AUTO-ALIGNMENT AND GPS

Military aircraft were equipped with GPS (Global Positioning Systems) long before GPS was offered for Commercial use. When equipped, they can auto-align the Inertial Reference System. N644AA (American Airlines Flight 77) was not equipped with a GPS. However, when one looks through the data, it shows a GPS as "OPERational"(12) and an airborne auto-alignment. How can a GPS be "OPER" if the data is reported to come from an aircraft which doesn't have a GPS? The data shows that the Lat/Long plots auto-aligned with Radar plots in flight after departure(9). American Airlines aircraft do not have the capability of in flight alignment nor would such an aircraft depart with such a large error and an IRS as it's primary source for navigation. It is impossible for an IRS equipped American Airlines jet to give accurate position information if the system was not aligned at the gate. The aircraft needs to be stationary for proper alignment or else the navigational device will have large errors and could perhaps be fatal(10). According to American Airlines 757/767 Captain Ralph Kolstad who has actual flight time in N644AA, if the Inertial Reference System (IRS) is lost in flight (or shows large errors), an emergency has to be declared. The aircraft is required to sit stationary for more than 10 minutes in order obtain a full alignment of the Inertial Reference System prior to every flight, according to and as required by American Airlines 757/767 Operating Manual(11). How can an auto-align occur airborne if American Airlines aircraft do not have this capability nor a GPS? This is more evidence demonstrating the data did not come from an American Airlines jet.

CONCLUSION

The data does not support an impact with the Pentagon, does not support a departure from the gate claimed by official reports, if the data was in fact generated by an actual aircraft, it was generated by one which is more advanced than N644AA capability in both avionics (instruments) and performance. Furthermore, the data is not able to be decoded in full by a custom data frame layout made by American Airlines exclusively for their aircraft.

The evidence is overwhelming. The data did not come from an American Airlines Jet. Pilots For 9/11 Truth are asked regularly, "If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go?" That is a GREAT question! Pilots For 9/11 Truth recommend demanding answers in order to obtain the data from the aircraft which is claimed to have departed gate D26 at Washington Dulles on the morning of September 11, 2001 and most importantly corresponds through Lat/Long plots to a departure from Gate D26. From there, it can be tracked to where it went! Unfortunately, subpoena power will perhaps be needed to get such information and data, as FOIA requests have been exhausted and the government agencies who have responded to such requests refuse further comment. "We have fulfilled our request. You get what you get, the data we gave you doesn't support our findings? No comment! " has proven to be the case. Lawsuits have been filed by victims of 9/11, particularly one by April Gallop, a survivor from the Pentagon. Pilots For 9/11 Truth have signed an affidavit in support of Ms Gallop along with providing evidence for the case. Now all that is needed is a fair and just Judge willing to look at the evidence before throwing out the case(14).

Almost Ten years has elapsed since the events of September 11, 2001. There has been no hard evidence linking the claims made by the 9/11 Commission to their conclusions. Even the 9/11 Commission admits they have been lied to and "Set up to fail"(13). Write your Congress, write your Senators, inform them the data being provided by government agencies through the Freedom Of Information Act does not support the 9/11 Commission findings, show them the overwhelming evidence that the data did not come from an American Airlines jet.

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center Attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

(1) Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking FDR Data to American 77 - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimino-AA77-FDR.html
(2) Ibid
(3) Notes On Parameters - http://www.warrenstutt.com/AAL77FDRDecoder...Parameters.html
(4) 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_h...impossible.html
(5) 757/767 Operating Manual Pre-Flight Checklist - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795614
(6) Expert Statements - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795633
(7) Pilots For Truth Forum - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795631
(8) Aircraft Departure Gate Positional Data Conflicts With Government Story - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/aa77-gate-position.html
(9) In Flight Alignment - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pics/in-flight-align.jpg
(10) 757/767 Operating Manual Pre-Flight Checklist - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795614
(11) Ibid
(12) Data provided by NTSB - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/FinalFlightComplete.zip
(13) 9/11 Commission Chair Lee Hamilton, "Set up to Fail" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LBARGBupM
(14) Pilots For 9/11 Truth Sign Affidavit In Lawsuit Brought By Pentagon Survivor - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon_lawsuit.html
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amazed!
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So in the Dulles arrangement, each gate is separated by about .1 minute. Somewhere is written the number of feet between each gate position.

3000 feet would require a pretty large entry error, assuming that's all it was.

But it wasn't a data entry error, it was sheer fraud by the government.
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Mar 9 2011, 12:40 PM) *
So in the Dulles arrangement, each gate is separated by about .1 minute. Somewhere is written the number of feet between each gate position.

3000 feet would require a pretty large entry error, assuming that's all it was.

But it wasn't a data entry error, it was sheer fraud by the government.

From the IAD Concourse D map linked above, the spacing of the gates appears to vary, but using GoogleEarth to measure from D26 to the jetway just east of it I get approx. 220 feet:

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/92826

gate D26 coordinate/location image:
http://flickcabin.com/public/view/92825

Of course it is worth pointing out that the jetways (or jet bridges) look pretty 'mobile' to me- is that Jeppesen chart at Rob's post #66 referencing the locking steel gate door location(s) proper, or out at the end of the jetway 'booms,' or at the 'typical' plane cockpit parking spots, or _______?

Here is some useful information for the approximate relevant Dulles IAD locations in question, per GoogleEarth:

IAD Gate D26 [approximately at the steel gate door proper]
38.945303 -77.454283 or
3856'43.09"N 7727'15.42"W
http://www.ifly.com/washington-dulles-inte...IAD-Concourse-D
http://www.ifly.com/washington-dulles-inte...rt/terminal-map
http://www.navmonster.com/apt/KIAD
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/1102/05100AD.PDF

IAD tower
38.939048 -77.448643 or
3856'20.58"N 7726'55.29"W

Now just to clarify (since I'm getting here late to the 'party')- what lat/lon is W. Stutt/Legge [or maybe the Farmer] using for the 'departure gate' and I'm assuming this is all from the recent W. Stutt decoder program? I've seen indications that Stutt's lat/lon data does NOT match the NTSB-released .CSV 'takeoff' coordinates AT ALL (since that is somewhere westward over in Chantilly, VA IIRC)- but which version of Warren's output file data are we talking about here? I know there were several versions of Warren's program released over nearly 2 years as I recall, but I've been 'out of the loop' for quite a while, so it is probably good to specify which data set is being discussed on this thread.

Once I know what lat/lon data value(s) that Stutt/Legge [et. al.?] are claiming at which time/counter index for the "AA77" 'departure gate,' this is about the best distance calculator that I have found online for verification purposes:

http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm

And you pilot types actually prefer that Babylonian degree minute [second] thing over decimal degrees then? Really? blink.gif

[I couldn't wait to reset the units on my GoogleEarth back to decimal when I took those screenshots!]
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QUOTE (dMole @ Mar 10 2011, 01:44 AM) *
Now just to clarify (since I'm getting here late to the 'party')-


It all started here....
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795490

Read through the rest of that thread...

Which then lead to this article here...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21142

and then a few days later lead to this article...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21149

tume's analysis started with using the legge/stutt coordinates, but all of the above articles are based on the work of 'Undertow' and RO2. I don't trust anything which comes out of the Legge/Stutt camp considering almost everything they've done they have gotten wrong. I understand however that the lat/long from Legge/Stutt are close to RO2, but apparently a bit fudged to their bias.

Either way, when one attempts to adjust the initial 3000+ error and line up the lat/long plot to D26, the rest of the lat/long plot does not line up with the taxiways and runway.

See here...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pics/IAD_Adjust_D26.jpg


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IAD tower
38.939048 -77.448643 or
3856'20.58"N 7726'55.29"W


Not sure if that is the new or old tower, didnt bother to plot it. But a new tower was built in 2005/6 and is much further south than the old. The old tower was/is just south of (on top of... basically)... the Main Terminal.

Click here for the Airport diagram which reflects how the airport was in 2001, before the new runway and new tower.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795900
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 9 2011, 10:02 PM) *
I understand however that the lat/long from Legge/Stutt are close to RO2, but apparently a bit fudged to their bias.

To be honest to me look the coordinates of Mr. Stutt. more north than the Undertow's coordinates -like 268 meters and also more west like 333 meters - to me it doesn't look like it supports their bias towards the conclusion "FDR data support the AA77 crash to Pentagon".
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