Pentagon Lawn Images, Chronological order Options

[IslandPilot]

Looks like they got it out by 3:23 on the tape. My guess is it was the tire on fire, maybe with the cylinders I showed you today contributing. They doused it first thing in.

This video has 20 minutes of very interesting Pentagon stuff. For some reason it starts in the middle, showing April Gallop, because I got it off of an April Gallop post here. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIfwsjF8X5U...ailpage#t=1269s

Several interesting things:
Just before the 10:30 mark... it shows the TITAN TRUCK FLAMES... after "initial explosion" way before the collapse.

Right after that it shows people picking up a "small aircraft part" from the "overpass" in front of the Pentagon???? It is a VERY LONG WAY away from the face of the Pentagon... and the Pentagon Lawn between that point and the Pentagon doesn't seem to be littered with similar pieces???

About 4 people are "handling" this "piece of evidence", which one of them claims is not from a "Commercial Aircraft".... before someone "figures out" that it should have been LEFT WHERE IT WAS IN THE FIRST PLACE! Ya THINK???

I cannot understand how such a small fragment of "airplane" could have "traveled" that far... from an "Aircraft Impact" into the building, when NO LARGE MASS of similar parts are nearby...

I cannot EVEN understand how such a small part could have travelled that far... EVEN from an EXPLOSION at the face of the Pentagon. "Did one of those guys carry it there in his pocket?"

I WOULD NOT SAY for sure that it is NOT from a commercial airplane; I CANNOT TELL! It seems to be made of material that is much heavier than "normal" General Aviation airplanes, about .090 to .125 inches thick. Normal GA airplane is .020 to .032 inches.

It "might" be "possible" that it came from a "wingtip" that "clipped" a lightpole; but I seriously doubt that. If I had to guess, I would have to say it is "planted" to maybe "appear" to be wingtip material. But even so, it really doesn't "look" like something from a wingtip to me.


This video also has many scenes of PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY FROM THE PENTAGON.... and also of many PEOPLE BEING HOLLERED AT TO GET AWAY FROM THAT AREA.... after the fire trucks have arrived... BEFORE THE COLLAPSE!... "Supposedly" because "another airplane is coming".

It sure looks like more than ONE EXPLOSION, or FLARE UP, happened before the collapse...

Did someone "KNOW" of another "collapse explosion"; before it happened????

And this VIDEO also SHOWS the ACTUAL COLLAPSE AS IT HAPPENS!...

And it is very strange to see that NOTHING IS REALLY BURNING in the Collapsed Area, where ALL THE AIRPLANE FUEL is supposed to be burning... BUT THE BIGGEST FIRE is coming out of the UPPER FLOOR WINDOWS behind the CONTROL TOWER.... How does an airplane "impact" several hundred feet away cause that to happen? Especially when there is NO FIRE between that area and the alledged IMPACT point?? Were the "most sensitive documents" needing to be "lost" in that un-reinforced room or area???

The "airplane piece" with the "c" on it doesn't make its "grand entrance" until the "second or third act", where it appears right next to the Control Tower DOOR?? Late afternoon, just before the sun is going down...

And then this VIDEO COVERAGE CONTINUES into the NIGHT of 9/11... which is also interesting...

They have that big GREEN LOADER in front of Pentagon, by the afternoon, to "clear the area right in front of the Pentagon... I did not see our "Superstar Forklift truck" in this video...

The Green Loader seems to be there, before firemen enter the building to "remove the bodies"???

They also show the "punchout hole" and the neatly piled "aircraft rubble" in a "row" in front of it...

One of the pieces they are calling an "airplane" part, is some kind of "grey plywood" looking stuff... with "lettering" on it. You can't make out the details of that lettering... but it sure looks like "MILITARY" style BLOCK LETTERING to me. And I must say... it REALLY LOOKS more like PLYWOOD than any "composite" laminate one would find in a commercial "AIRCRAFT". (even in its nose "radome").

Also VERY CONSPICUOUSLY MISSING from these "early punchout" area images are the "aircraft" parts that are "shown" in later photos... ie "partial axle" and "chewed tire"... and the "curved piece" (Honniger?) that we also see on the lawn in front of the building.

These scenes are "earlier" because the whole area is "swimming" in about 6" of water....

[kawika]

This video has 20 minutes of very interesting Pentagon stuff. For some reason it starts in the middle, showing April Gallop, because I got it off of an April Gallop post here. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIfwsjF8X5U...ailpage#t=1269s

One of the pieces they are calling an "airplane" part, is some kind of "grey plywood" looking stuff... with "lettering" on it. You can't make out the details of that lettering... but it sure looks like "MILITARY" style BLOCK LETTERING to me. And I must say... it REALLY LOOKS more like PLYWOOD than any "composite" laminate one would find in a commercial "AIRCRAFT". (even in its nose "radome").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIfwsjF8X5U...ailpage#t=1269s

At mark 40:54, airplane part
I make out:

Manufactured By.............
American Airlines...
F B 8 4 2 1 8......

(Or derivations of same)

Pilots/Mechanics may be able to help us understand what this part numbering SHOULD look like.


Also see cars moved away already at 42:28

Also see TITAN damages at 43:02.

Audible explosion at ~15:00.




Thanks to IP for finding this for me.

This post has been edited by kawika: Apr 23 2011, 12:34 AM

[onesliceshort]

That video will be in the new thread I'm working on. Pure propaganda piece but some very useful shots.

Right after that it shows people picking up a "small aircraft part" from the "overpass" in front of the Pentagon???? It is a VERY LONG WAY away from the face of the Pentagon... and the Pentagon Lawn between that point and the Pentagon doesn't seem to be littered with similar pieces???

Yeah, that excerpt was bugging me too IP.

The entire South of the lawn is totally "debris" free. Spotless. So how could a piece of debris travel opposite to the alleged directional force of the plane? A plane that allegedly fully penetrated without buckling or resistance into the first floor. Bullcrap.

Look at the lightpoles:

(IMG:http://i51.tinypic.com/jr74g8.jpg)

It couldn't have been from the right wingtip because after it allegedly passes through lightpole 1 (on the bridge), the trajectory barely makes contact possible with lightpole 3 (on the ringroad)

What was worse was not only the guy ignoring people to put it back but the cop accepted it! He should have known better!

One of the pieces they are calling an "airplane" part, is some kind of "grey plywood" looking stuff... with "lettering" on it. You can't make out the details of that lettering... but it sure looks like "MILITARY" style BLOCK LETTERING to me. And I must say... it REALLY LOOKS more like PLYWOOD than any "composite" laminate one would find in a commercial "AIRCRAFT". (even in its nose "radome").

Yeah, it looks like plywood alright.
It's really starting to look to me like a lot of parts were blown randomly all over the place rather than placed there by hand. Less risky and more visually effective. Especially for the rescue and recovery workers.

It would be interesting as Kawika says, to see the source of those serial numbers. We have to remember that it wouldn't be too difficult to print the numbers on scrapyard junk beforehand either.

Also VERY CONSPICUOUSLY MISSING from these "early punchout" area images are the "aircraft" parts that are "shown" in later photos... ie "partial axle" and "chewed tire"... and the "curved piece" (Honniger?) that we also see on the lawn in front of the building.

Know what I found conspicuously missing in that area too?

(IMG:http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6720/pentagonfatalities.jpg)

[23investigator]

Dear Obwon,
Sorry I am a bit behind the game, but would like to bring a point forward on this post.
The aircraft part in the foreground of the photograph you have included, shows every indication of
being made from 'carbon composite'.
The background light is showing through portions of it, showing 'overlay areas'.

Aluminium does not 'transmit' light, not even as thin as 'kitchen foil'.

Do Boeing 757 have any 'carbon composite' components on the outside of the aircraft?

If they do, do any of them look like the part lying on the lawn?

Perhaps some of the 'aircraft experts', can help with this question.

Robert

Dear Obwon

Referring back to this post.
It was very strongly quashed by a member of the panel of 'posters', but not particularly well considered it appears.
Any body who has had experience with 'composite layups' should be able to identify the overlaps and variation of thickness of the panel as well as the colour of the inner surface.

Do Boeing 757 aircraft have a panel which is composed of composite material, which has the appearane of this part lying on the lawn?
Surely there must be some people conversant with Boeing aircraft that can answer this question and be able to qualify their answer.

In respect to the debris that was collected and photographed around the World Trade Centre Towers, a presentation of these components cut out (by Adobe Photoshop) and presented against a plain black background is nearly complete.
There does not appear to be anything amongst these components that could be considered as parts from a Boeing 767 series.

Once the World Trade Centre presentation is complete, the same process will be carried out on the parts found and photographed around the Pentagon building.

Both presentations will be placed on Youtube.

If the concensus is that the parts are not from Boeing aircraft, discussion of part numbers or codings becomes 'mute'.

The objective then to identify what aircraft the parts did come from.

Robert

[BarryWilliamsmb]

Interesting Robert.

I would not want to be John Dillinger and know you were with the FBI.

Your tenacity is a pleasure to experience - thanks for the effort.

[onesliceshort]

I knew it was only a matter of time but the DOD has removed all images linked to in this thread (AFAIK).

No matter. There are back ups out of their reach. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Edit: never mind, they're back up (?) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Sep 6 2011, 04:49 PM

[onesliceshort]

I knew it was only a matter of time but the DOD has removed all images linked to in this thread (AFAIK).

No matter. There are back ups out of their reach. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Edit: never mind, they're back up (?) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

DOD removed images in the OP have been replaced.

[23investigator]

DOD removed images in the OP have been replaced.

Dear 'onesliceshort'

What is the 'OP" please.

Robert S

[onesliceshort]

Dear 'onesliceshort'

What is the 'OP" please.

Robert S

OP = Opening Post

The first post Robert. The DOD had removed their site which had contained most of the images. CIT was kind enough to forward them to me.