Nuclear Disaster Unfolding In Fukushima |

Mar 15 2011, 11:22 AM
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Mar 21 2011, 08:16 AM
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The timing of this disaster in Japan was a perfect distraction from the re-rommelization of North Africa.
One thing that i wondered about, was the way the water was dumped from helicopters on the reactors... If the object was to "top up" the water in the cooling ponds, why did so much of that dumped water miss the building? Poor piloting? No. Was it to cool the rods blasted from the building from the giant explosion? (they sprayed wtc for a long time after 9/11, too) Water cools nuclear reactions. Why did Japan change the names of the reactors after the accident? cpm, rems, radioactivity... Not only is it invisible but the different methods of measuring it, make it difficult to understand something that one does not want to stand under. They are now putting up new radiation detectors all along the west coast of N.A. Both Canada and US. All the potassium iodide pills are withheld from the public, and have been stockpiled by government here in BC, and there was a run on health-food stores, for kelp concentrates. |
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Mar 21 2011, 09:41 AM
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Was it to cool the rods blasted from the building from the giant explosion? To be honest, yeah this is a possibility at the No3. We cannot exclude it given how the building in detail looks like after the explosion from the photographs. But the whole thing would become really dangerous not just locally only in a case the rods would start to burn, which can't happen even if they would not be cooled by water from above -if they're dispersed around - because the cooling by air would be then sufficient to prevent this to happen by wide margin - Oxide fuels can't start to burn (I mean only the Zirconium clading-Water reaction, which in larger assemblies would be maybe able to melt the fuel if it occurs, but not in a case of isolated fragments - and solid Zirconium alone can't catch fire itself under its boiling point of 4409! °C, Uranium and Plutonium oxides can't burn at all !) - if they wouldn't have a temperature of 900+ °C - nothing like that we see even remotely at the thermal images from the plant, where the maximum temperature seen was 128 °C at the top of the No 3 reactor primary containment -which is very expectable temperature at PWR given the inside pressures. The risk which this could pose - if the rods were ejected from the pool, which to be honest I think could be the case - is more like it could considerably hamper the efforts of the rescuers there, because making the suroundings having considerably higher dosage readings close to such fuel fragments, which I think - if it is the case - should first be meticulously gathered and put into shielded secure containers to considerably lower the overal possible dose (of gama and also because they could further release the gaseous radionuclides, posing internal contamination risk) at the compound and make the rescue efforts considerably less dangerous for the brave workers at the site. I think the hysteria of utter nonsenses about the MOX fuel -the activists started with after they realized no new Chernobyl would happen at Fukushima- just show the pathetical desperateness of this fearmongering disinfo efforts. The Plutonium oxide has the boiling point way above 2000 °C so the possibility the Pu-239 and especially the even more immediately dangerous Pu-241 and Pu-238 would be released into the environment in significant amounts is extremely low and in fact it didn't much happened even in the Chernobyl, where the core experienced nuclear explosion, containing at the moment very considerable portion of Plutonium isotopes from the U-238 transmutation - however also in the oxidated form with very high melting (2400 °C) and boiling (2800 °C) points. -just to avoid confusion a metal Plutonium has the boiling point even higher (3228 °C - which hardly can occur even in the melting reactor core - without boiling it the volatility of Plutonium is close to zero and without melting it IS zero). I hope this helps to cool down the fears. This post has been edited by tumetuestumefaisdubien: Mar 21 2011, 11:00 AM |
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bill Nuclear Disaster Unfolding In Fukushima Mar 15 2011, 11:22 AM
bill from George Ure at Urbansurvival today
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bill http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/as...amp;_... Mar 15 2011, 11:42 AM
lunk http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsan... Mar 15 2011, 12:14 PM
bill eta link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article... Mar 15 2011, 12:15 PM
Johnny Angel Beyond Nuclear.Org.
The danger of the Nuclear was... Mar 15 2011, 01:38 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE
Heavy fallout from Japan nuclear scandal
... Mar 15 2011, 02:49 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien When I read the measurements then it looks to me b... Mar 15 2011, 03:21 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 13 2011, ... Mar 16 2011, 07:33 AM
lunk QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Mar 16 2011, 03:33 A... Mar 16 2011, 10:49 AM
GroundPounder QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 14 2011, 01:49 PM) The ... Mar 16 2011, 12:39 PM
Omega892R09 I don't know if any have seen these yet but wo... Mar 16 2011, 06:40 PM
lunk QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Mar 16 2011, 02:40 P... Mar 16 2011, 10:53 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 15 2011, 12:53 AM) Hmmm... Mar 17 2011, 08:33 AM
albertchampion what can you tell me about radiation? how is it me... Mar 17 2011, 02:31 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 15 2011, 04:3... Mar 17 2011, 01:58 PM

tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Mar 17 2011, 06:58 A... Mar 17 2011, 05:37 PM

Omega892R09 QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 15 2011, ... Mar 18 2011, 08:06 AM
Ricochet QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 16 2011, 10:3... Mar 17 2011, 03:34 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien New video from Fukushima taken from TEPCO copter:
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tumetuestumefaisdubien according to last measurements -if we would believ... Mar 18 2011, 12:20 AM
Omega892R09 And then we have this cretin creature poking fun a... Mar 18 2011, 08:19 AM
bobcat46 QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Mar 16 2011, 10:19 A... Mar 18 2011, 09:50 AM
GroundPounder ok what am i missing here. the chart from:
http:/... Mar 18 2011, 09:06 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Mar 16 2011, 11:06... Mar 18 2011, 09:36 AM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Mar 18 2011, 02:06... Mar 18 2011, 04:33 PM
bill US Military evacuating Japan
U.S. Navy Capt. Er... Mar 18 2011, 10:27 AM
IslandPilot tume:
Thanks for this useful chart.
It helps to p... Mar 18 2011, 10:39 AM
Ricochet http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
Reactor status
h... Mar 18 2011, 02:07 PM
bill Obama said yesterday :“The Centers for Disease Co... Mar 18 2011, 03:47 PM
bill "So if the TEPCO measurements are real"
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bill I have been monitoring CNN for the last hour
no ... Mar 18 2011, 04:30 PM
GroundPounder QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 16 2011, ... Mar 18 2011, 06:11 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Mar 18 2011, 11:11... Mar 18 2011, 11:48 PM
Ricochet The (US) EPA radiation map website, RadNet has bee... Mar 18 2011, 06:36 PM
bill https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/showMap.do... Mar 18 2011, 09:45 PM
bill Still patient here
but no data
they must be rea... Mar 18 2011, 10:54 PM
dMz QUOTE (bill @ Mar 18 2011, 08:54 PM) Stil... Mar 19 2011, 06:34 PM
Ricochet Chernobyl did not have PLUTONIUM for fuel. Mar 19 2011, 02:18 AM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (Ricochet @ Mar 18 2011, 07:18 PM) ... Mar 19 2011, 10:58 AM
GroundPounder i would agree tume, that under normal conditions c... Mar 19 2011, 06:54 AM
lunk We got the data from Chernobyl, after it was final... Mar 19 2011, 07:12 AM
GroundPounder just listening to alan watt from last night and he... Mar 19 2011, 08:41 AM
bill Still waiting for the EPA site for data this morni... Mar 19 2011, 09:57 AM
Johnny Angel No offense.. but your last sentence.. False argume... Mar 19 2011, 01:31 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (Johnny Angel @ Mar 19 2011, 06:31 ... Mar 19 2011, 04:38 PM
Ricochet Update March 19 22:00H
http://www.jaif.or.jp/engli... Mar 19 2011, 01:46 PM
Ricochet Natural News has this to say on MOX fuel.
QUOTE (... Mar 19 2011, 05:02 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (Ricochet @ Mar 19 2011, 10:02 AM) ... Mar 19 2011, 06:09 PM
lunk radiation sickness
n.
Illness induced by exposure... Mar 19 2011, 06:10 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 19 2011, 11:10 AM) This... Mar 19 2011, 06:24 PM
lunk QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 19 2011, ... Mar 19 2011, 06:50 PM
GroundPounder QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 17 2011, 09:50 PM) is i... Mar 19 2011, 08:03 PM
lunk QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Mar 19 2011, 04:03... Mar 19 2011, 08:17 PM
Johnny Angel Tume.. I am not going to argue your facts and cha... Mar 19 2011, 10:12 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (Johnny Angel @ Mar 19 2011, 03:12 ... Mar 20 2011, 12:15 PM
BarryWilliamsmb In my naivety of the Japanese culture I get the fe... Mar 19 2011, 10:37 PM
BarryWilliamsmb I've been following this event from the beginn... Mar 20 2011, 12:07 AM
GroundPounder QUOTE (BarryWilliamsmb @ Mar 18 2011, 01... Mar 20 2011, 07:21 AM
lunk How radioactive?
there seems to be only 3 levels ... Mar 20 2011, 07:29 AM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 20 2011, 12:29 AM) How ... Mar 20 2011, 01:16 PM
maturin42 Just imagine if, instead of nuclear power, the pow... Mar 20 2011, 01:49 PM
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DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (maturin42 @ Mar 20 2011, 12:49 PM)... Mar 20 2011, 03:26 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Mar 20 2011, 08... Mar 20 2011, 03:38 PM
bill Now, this is what I call safe
Notice how safe rea... Mar 20 2011, 02:09 PM
GroundPounder QUOTE (maturin42 @ Mar 18 2011, 04:49 PM)... Mar 20 2011, 02:12 PM
bill (Emphasis added is mine)
more well engineered saf... Mar 20 2011, 02:19 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (bill @ Mar 20 2011, 07:19 AM)
fun... Mar 20 2011, 03:10 PM
bill How about Germany with nearly 30 Giga watts of sol... Mar 20 2011, 03:05 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (bill @ Mar 20 2011, 08:05 AM) How ... Mar 20 2011, 03:34 PM
bill Clearly the diagram is meant for illustration only... Mar 20 2011, 03:35 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (bill @ Mar 20 2011, 08:35 AM) Clea... Mar 20 2011, 03:53 PM
GroundPounder the problems with all of this banter is that the p... Mar 20 2011, 03:39 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Mar 20 2011, 08:39... Mar 20 2011, 03:59 PM
bill "yeah, especially at night I expect it will s... Mar 20 2011, 03:39 PM
bill tume
you seem to be full of 'it' too Mar 20 2011, 03:58 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (bill @ Mar 20 2011, 08:58 AM) tume... Mar 20 2011, 04:01 PM
GroundPounder what's a few extra cancers among friends? we a... Mar 20 2011, 04:28 PM
tumetuestumefaisdubien Here just a teaser how the "Renewables" are "perfe... Mar 20 2011, 06:52 PM
bill http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=4870... Mar 20 2011, 07:20 PM
bill http://www.kirotv.com/news/27248974/detail.html
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GroundPounder greg palast has an interesting article on the nucl... Mar 21 2011, 11:41 AM
tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Mar 21 2011, 04:41... Mar 21 2011, 03:11 PM
bill http://www.kirotv.com/news/27248974/detail.html
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tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (bill @ Mar 21 2011, 04:57 AM) 200,... Mar 21 2011, 06:31 PM
bill http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14926992,00.h... Mar 21 2011, 12:27 PM
lunk QUOTE (bill @ Mar 21 2011, 08:27 AM) http... Mar 21 2011, 03:14 PM
GroundPounder tume, you are missing the forest from the trees.
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tumetuestumefaisdubien QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Mar 21 2011, 08:44... Mar 21 2011, 04:20 PM
GroundPounder QUOTE (lunk @ Mar 19 2011, 06:14 PM) Whit... Mar 21 2011, 03:46 PM
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GroundPounder QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 19 2011, ... Mar 21 2011, 04:46 PM
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