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Nuclear Disaster Unfolding In Fukushima

albertchampion
post Apr 3 2011, 02:42 PM
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let's put it all in perspective. properly........

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/neutron-jacks-circus-back
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DoYouEverWonder
post Apr 3 2011, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Apr 3 2011, 01:11 PM) *
fwiw, i don't believe anybody here wants that, bill included. i think emotions run high because it's a big thing to a lot of people, myself included. there just never seems to a be a break on the world stage to catch your breath and do some living w/o a disaster or war or some other piece of bad news showing up.

It's not that people don't want you to post here, but we want you to open your mind and to be honest. Lengthy posts, with lot's of technical jargon, that don't really prove anything get boring after awhile. Your POV is apparent. Yes, we know you think the only solution to our energy problems are nukes. Obviously, that is the industry you've spent most of your adult life in and I'm sure faith in nuclear power is a requirement in order to succeed in that environment.

In the meantime, the world is passing you by and people are changing the way they live. In many places, the utilities are hurting, not because we are using so much power and they can't keep up. They're hurting because we're all starting to use less and alternatives are becoming a reality.

Instead of saying no we can't, we have to starting believing in ourselves again because we don't have a choice if we want to survive.


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post Apr 3 2011, 04:45 PM
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dyew, where is that facility in the picture located?
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DoYouEverWonder
post Apr 3 2011, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Apr 3 2011, 04:45 PM) *
dyew, where is that facility in the picture located?

The Orange County Convention Center in Orlando, FL.

Roof top systems that feed directly into the grid are becoming the way to go and we've got a lot of big flat roofs in FL.

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post Apr 3 2011, 07:17 PM
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thank you dyew! i've been advocating for solar since the mid 70's..some things take time i guess smile.gif

effing cool, i must say!
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post Apr 4 2011, 12:51 AM
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Alex Jones is saying that the iodine 131 was reported in the rainfall in Berkley California has been measured at 181 times above safe level.

If this is true, then other radioactive elements will be in that rainfall, too.

-stay out of the rain, and don't drink milk.

You'll probably be OK for about 3 more months,
if you live in the southern hemisphere.


This fits with the elite-minded plan to greatly increase their depopulation program.
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bill
post Apr 4 2011, 07:30 AM
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I have to agree lunk

The abject incompetence of the handling of the crisis is becoming more obvious

incompetense or just letting it happen


latest from Arnold Gundersen

Newly released TEPCO data provides evidence of periodic chain reaction at Fukushima Unit 1 from Fairewinds Associates on Vimeo.

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post Apr 4 2011, 08:02 AM
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What are the first noticeable health effects of radiation poisoning?
Sterility, respiratory problems, head aches, stomach problems, hair loss...

We should keep an eye on other people for these symptoms.

Tincture of iodine used to be used topically for cuts, and small injuries.

i remember years ago, when they said that iodine did as much damage as it prevented, after that, its uses were replaced with hydrogen peroxide or anti-biotic ointments.

Also, i wonder if the real reason iodine was added to salt was because of all the atmospheric nuclear tests world wide, at that time?
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post Apr 4 2011, 08:15 AM
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iodine is essential to good health

americans are chronically under nourished in iodine

a typical Japanese person has 1500 times as much iodine in their body(from sea food and sea weed in their diet)

US table salt has about the minimum amount of iodine to keep serious illness at bay
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What is the toxicity of Plutonium?
i remember hearing that half a pound, could poison everyone on Earth.
Now, all i seem to find is that, "it's not that bad," Pu for you, everywhere.

i heard one estimate of 1/4 ton of Pu is in all the nuclear fuel in Fukushima.
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The problem with Plutonium is if it gets ingested or breathed into your lungs

then it is incredibly dangerous --something on the order of a few micrograms in your lungs gives you a very high probability of lung cancer


if it remains outside your body it is not so bad -- it is an alpha emmiter and your skin pretty much blocks the alpha
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QUOTE (bill @ Apr 4 2011, 05:40 AM) *
The problem with Plutonium is if it gets ingested or breathed into your lungs

then it is incredibly dangerous --something on the order of a few micrograms in your lungs gives you a very high probability of lung cancer


if it remains outside your body it is not so bad -- it is an alpha emmiter and your skin pretty much blocks the alpha

So now we are all turning into reflective alpha beings?
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QUOTE (BarryWilliamsmb @ Apr 2 2011, 06:11 PM) *
I fucking love you Elreb.

Happy Easter Bunny Barry,

I know you get around the forum and there is…for sure…something in the air…and it sure as hell...is not Plutonium…

What happen to moderation, common respect and ethics?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ock-pipes.html#



"From the afternoon, the workers began pouring polymeric powder, sawdust, newspaper - things we could think of to clog up the holes," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the nuclear safety agency.

"So far, there has not been any clear indication that the volume of leaking water has been reduced."


What the hell do they think it is a toilet ?
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QUOTE (lunk @ Apr 3 2011, 09:51 PM) *
Alex Jones is saying that the iodine 131 was reported in the rainfall in Berkley California has been measured at 181 times above safe level.

If this is true, then other radioactive elements will be in that rainfall, too.

-stay out of the rain, and don't drink milk.

You'll probably be OK for about 3 more months,
if you live in the southern hemisphere.


This fits with the elite-minded plan to greatly increase their depopulation program.


Follow up:

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/0...ng-water-14002/
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post Apr 4 2011, 11:06 PM
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Phantastic, bill and others. rolleyes.gif

Your denial and your refusal to deal with complex matters that don't fit your mindset, mixed with severe ad homs is a perfect mirror of the govt loyalist site.

I know Tume since he uncovered the Swine Flue scam and the involvement of the Austrian ‘Baxter’-subsidiary months before the virus was disseminated in Mexico.
He knows more about nuclear power and how it stands against the interests of those who fight war after war to complete their global monopoly on oil than most of you can imagine, or are willing to accept.
@Jan
thanks again for your efforts. I’ll be able to use many of your arguments in discussions with people, who will hopefully wake up before they switch off the power especially in Germany (i.e. when the French will reduce their supply of nuclear power in summer).

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If this wasn't happening for real, I would go to the movie.

TEPCO tries to pull the old "millions of times more than bad for you" routine:

7.5 mil. times legal limit of iodine in sea NHKWorld English

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_27.html
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It's a public persuasion technique "they" use.
If something is bad in the news, they makeup some way worse story, and the opponents parrot it, then it is shown to be a gross overestimated mistake, making all rightly opposed, look like id10ts.

...and the contamination continues.

It looks like it takes 30 years to decommission an old nuclear reactor,
even if they start today.

What we are seeing in Japan, i think,
is the plutoniumization of life on Earth.

The IAEA found plutonium in the soil 40 km's from the plants,
at levels above evacuation limits.

i can only hope that this is not as bad as it could be.



"Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air!"
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QUOTE (lunk @ Apr 4 2011, 08:41 AM) *
So now we are all turning into reflective alpha beings?

Fortunately, plutonium is a heavy metal and usually doesn't stay up in the atmosphere for long, but under the current circumstances, with a continual release of contaminated steam and water for who knows how long, all bets are off.

Now that they're dumping the contaminated water into the sea, well the shrimp ate the poison, and the fish ate the shrimp, and the turtle ate the fish, and the man ate the turtle....

Between the oily shrimp from the gulf and the radiated sushi from Japan, don't be surprised to see in big spike in cancers.
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QUOTE (bill @ Apr 2 2011, 11:15 AM) *
iodine is essential to good health

US table salt has about the minimum amount of iodine to keep serious illness at bay


What about Sea Salt.. ITs a lot more expensive than regualar salt.. No Iodine, althougth I found a cheap Sea Salt with Iodine at the local market.
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