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April Gallop Sues American Airlines, But Claims There Was No Plane?, April Gallop Set to go to court again, but should she be supported?

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post Apr 2 2011, 08:55 AM
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I see certain people are getting their knickers in a twist on other forums too about not only the lawsuit but April Gallup herself.

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This has nothing to do with heroic acts, wishes or intentions.


Read between the lines.
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 31 2011, 11:55 AM) *
I see certain people are getting their knickers in a twist on other forums too about not only the lawsuit but April Gallup herself.



Read between the lines.



OSS, i think it's pretty clear where she comes from.

I even get the feeling that she would 'love' to become

a member of the so-called "elite" herself!! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)
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post Apr 5 2011, 04:00 PM
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Well here it is April 5th, the day. And I just aground to using the link provided.

Bill Veale is the attorney at Center for 911 Justice in California.

Will Justice prevail in this case?
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See : « April Gallop, Military Officer, Pentagon 911 Victim, Sued Cheney, Was In Court Today~News BLACKOUT »

http://www.welcomethelight.com/2011/04/apr...ynews-blackout/

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"April 6, 2011

Judge John Walker (Cleared of Police Officers Death 2007) is GEORGE W. BUSH’s COUSIN!!!

Walker was on the panel who heard her case today.  If her appeal is granted, she will be assigned Judge John Walker – then the case will be thrown out and buried just like the silence in the media that you heard today!!
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QUOTE (tit2 @ Apr 6 2011, 12:37 PM) *
See : « April Gallop, Military Officer, Pentagon 911 Victim, Sued Cheney, Was In Court Today~News BLACKOUT »

http://www.welcomethelight.com/2011/04/apr...ynews-blackout/

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"April 6, 2011

Judge John Walker (Cleared of Police Officers Death 2007) is GEORGE W. BUSH’s COUSIN!!!

Walker was on the panel who heard her case today.  If her appeal is granted, she will be assigned Judge John Walker – then the case will be thrown out and buried just like the silence in the media that you heard today!!


I know I shouldn't get pissed at this news but...f*** me..

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They argued before an appellate panel of three judges: Judge Ralph Winter, Judge Marina Corodemus (a potential SCOTUS (Supreme Court Of The United States) nomination), and Judge John Walker (all Yale law school grads). Of course, Ms. Gallop’s attorneys filed for dismissal of Judge John Walker, which was denied. Clearly, they do not care that the judge hearing the case suing the former Vice President is the former President’s cousin. Ms. Gallop’s attorney’s then made a motion for an appellate review of their decision to keep Judge Walker on the case, which was also denied. And the whole time in court, the arguments of Ms. Gallop’s attorneys were completely ignored and instead were questioned with very demeaning inquiries by the judges, such as:

Do you even have a law degree?
From what law school?
Are you licensed to practice in the 2nd Circuit?
Have you ever represented a client in the 2nd Circuit? etc.


Arse....holes.

I'm swinging in the dark here but isn't it a conflict of interests when the cuz of the accused is sitting on the panel???
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The US Judiciary is as corrupt as either the White House or the Congress.
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« And the whole time in court, the arguments of Ms. Gallop’s attorneys were completely ignored and instead were questioned with very demeaning inquiries by the judges, such as:

Do you even have a law degree?
From what law school?
Are you licensed to practice in the 2nd Circuit?
Have you ever represented a client in the 2nd Circuit? Etc. »

In reality it is possible that these judges have fully understood that the elements included in the lawsuit of April Gallop would be dangerous for senior Bush administration officials cited by the lawsuit. That's why they ask no questions about the complaint itself. They are seeking a way to dismiss this complaint while avoiding any investigation about it, because an investigation would be dangerous for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, etc.

Their purpose is not justice, but to protect murderers. As the media which does not say a word about the lawsuit of April Gallop.
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This is why I was using Judge Kent Dawson as an example…

Judge Kent Dawson…"I will not allow the law in my courtroom!"

Schiff: "But the Supreme Court said ..." Judge Dawson: "Irrelevant! Denied!"

Schiff: "The Supreme Court is irrelevant?" Judge Dawson: "Irrelevant! Denied!"

"Here we have a federal judge railroading an American citizen by saying Supreme Court decisions are irrelevant." [In his court room]
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Would that be Irwin Schiff?
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Apr 6 2011, 03:30 PM) *
Would that be Irwin Schiff?

Yes Sir…

I studied to be a CPA and understand “Tax” law…I did both corporate and personal taxes for years…

Most American citizens are getting screwed…by way of extortion and fear…

god damn it...when is someone going to get pissed off/
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« Veale, amidst frequent interruptions from the three judges, managed to point out Cheney's direct involvement in tracking and dealing with the airplane that was heading for the Pentagon, as reported to the 9/11 Commission by then Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, a winner of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. » See:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42469680

The three judges probably understood that an investigation concerning the testimony of Norman Mineta would be very dangerous for Dick Cheney, therefore they tried to forbid William Veal to recall this testimony. What were the orders of Dick Cheney, why the plane that allegedly approached the Pentagon was not shot down? Why no action has been taken to inform the occupants of the Pentagon of approach of the plane?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

An investigation on these three questions which would be very easy to do, might send Dick Cheney in Hell. The three judges are not idiots. They have realized this. Therefore they will try to prevent any investigation on this subject, as on all others points of the complaint.
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The Tuesday appeal followed a ruling by then District Court Judge Denny Chin, dismissing Ms. Gallop's lawsuit with prejudice, writing that the allegations are "implausible" and the product of "cynical delusion and fantasy." The judges were apparently unaware of growing world doubts about the official story of 9/11, including a recent poll by Germany's prestigious Emnid Institute, reporting 89.5% of Germans in doubt.

...

Judge Cabranes gave no sign of being familiar with the allegations in the Complaint concerning conflicts about the flight path of AA 77 (which allegedly hit the Pentagon) between the National Transportation Safety Board and the 9/11 Commission



Weird seeing that in print on a "mainstream" (?) site.
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QUOTE (BlueSky @ Mar 25 2011, 09:04 PM) *
I do wish anyone the best in seeking justice for 9/11, the only reason why i brought this up is because i think it conflicts with the 'recent' finding that the black box data doesnt match a aa plane.

Also, it was quite strange to see bush subordinates using abovetopsecret as an authentic source of information ... lol ... crazy planet

thanks for clarifying the link blue. i read the whole thread and imo on page 3 craig made valid points and compelling arguments that i fully agree with, but perhaps you see it differently - ( ats /forum/thread424507/pg3) :

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QUOTE (Originally posted by Camron Fox)


LMFAO. Dude, what don't you get? She is claiming the plane never hit the Pentagon... AFTER she accepted a settlement from the airlines!!


So what?

This is a COMPLETE non-issue and has no bearing whatsoever on the legitimacy of this new lawsuit.

April was told an AA jet hit the Pentagon.

April certainly DID believe what she was told because she was told it.

April and her child were permanently disabled from the attack and April lost her career as a result.

April was screwed by the govt and all the so called "victims advocate" groups who have failed to provide her with the assistance she needed to pull her life back together.

April deserves compensation from any lawsuit to help victims who have been denied the assistance they deserve.

As more and more evidence came to light, April started realizing that not only was she screwed for assistance, but the entire event that has in essence destroyed her life was a deliberate deception.

April files new suit based on this evidence.

It's as simple as that and she has every right to seek further compensation in any manner possible given the fact that there is now plenty of hard PROOF that they lied to her about the AA jet hitting the building.

It's not her fault that they lied to her and the rest of the world and that she accepted compensation from a suit based on that lie to help her survive virtual destitution.

The fact that YOU take issue with it as you ATTACK this victim from the comfort of your anonymous screen name on a conspiracy forum is despicable.

The good news is that your opinion is irrelevant and nobody cares about your anonymous cowardly attempts to spit in the face of a 9/11 victim seeking justice as you furiously and desperately work to defend mass murderous war criminals and the blatant slaughtering of 10's of thousands of innocent civilians justified from this deception.



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She was inside the building. She did not see the plane.

Is the fact that she survived at all supporting evidence that no plane hit? OF COURSE!

That has not changed and can not change no matter what she ever says or does.

But the fact that I wasn't compelled to participate in this absurd smear thread that is ENTIRELY irrelevant to the evidence certainly DOES NOT mean that we have "abandoned" April OR thrown her "under the bus".

We support her 100% and she deserves anything she can get as this lawsuit has FULL and COMPLETE merit as I'm sure the original suit against AA did as well.

There is every reason to believe that a deception on this level would have utilized the assistance of at least some major power-brokers at AA and many other corporations.



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Whatever hypothesis you choose to accept regarding what really happened is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the fact that April's survival is direct evidence that no plane hit.

Take away all the north side evidence, take away all the witnesses to the plane, take away ALL other evidence, and hypothetically assume that April has filed a million lawsuits (even if they are all completely frivolous and unjustified although I do NOT believe that about any of her previous lawsuits) and that can still NEVER change the FACT that April's survival is supporting evidence that no plane hit the building.

That has nothing to do with a flyover nor have I ever said that it does.


imo april's law suit and or her acceptance of compensation from aa is a seperate issue from the claim that an aa plane did not hit building. but regardless of that - and i speak only for myself - i say she was, is, and always will be entitled to money for damages done to her, as long as she was actually in that building in an area that was directly hit by the explosives. she's not alive because the perps intended for her to survive the bomb blasts, she's here by sheer luck or a blessing from some higher power. whoever did blow up the pentagon didNt care if she lived or died that day and being seated feet away from explosives that eviscerated many others is indeed worthy of a payout from whoever you can get to cough up some money, wether that be the government or some airline company. besides, aa and united are complicit on at least some level or other in 9/11 and its aftermath, given the disappearance of their planes, their crews, their passengers, and the absence of any objection or outcry by them against the "official story" - and dont forget the 40 billion dollar handout the "airline industry" received in the days after 9/11. since AA aint ever gonna cough up THE TRUTH, damn right they should be named in lawsuits and damn right they should cough up some compensation, and damn right people who sufferred directly should be provided money (yes money) to help them rebuild their lives - especially in these damned tough economic times.

so to me its fine that gallop took aa money. was it hush money? has she been quiet? no, not at all. was the "aa payoff" to try to taint her credibility? even though it fails to do so (imo), that thread at ats is a great example of an attempt to make the compensation she received seem like some sort of dubious or sinister act, so that money has made her a target for such accusations. but can someone accept money from a perp and still hate them and still want the truth about what that perp did to come out? sure, why not? is gallop sincere in wanting truth and consequence? only she would know for sure, but i havent seen anything yet that would make me doubt her sincerity in that specific regard.


NOTE FOR THE RECORD that dennis hazell, american airlines' general manager at dulles on 9/11, never testified before the 9/11 commission:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/ -use the search function and you'll get the following (below)
http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/Go...-1&q=hazell

-if anyone could answer for AA at dulles for any and or all events that took place on 9/11, mr.hazell could AND SHOULD. but his account of what happened at dulles on or after 9/11 is conspicuously absent. i for one find it very odd (an injustice actually) that an american airlines plane would allegedly get hijacked from dulles and this guy who managed for AA at dulles has never gone on record about it - anywhere, even outside of the commission.





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These law suits serve one purpose and that is to get thrown out. This stops any real court case with real evidence from occuring. She goes to court puts up a weak arguement, case tossed case closed. Now anyone wishing to show real evidence is shut down. The same with respect to her first law suit, try and take any of the Bush administration to court and they will cite the Gallop case saying it was already done and tossed out.


is it indeed a legal fact that the existing specific outcomes of her lawsuits make any future pentagon or 9/11-related lawsuits untenable? does gallop hurt, help, or not affect at all any potential future lawsuits? read the lengthy legal description of "precedent", and see that its not by any means so cut and dried as some like to suggest:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/legal-reas-prec/

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Arguments from precedent are a prominent feature of legal reasoning. But what exactly is a ‘precedent’? A precedent is the decision of a court (or other adjudicative body) that has a special legal significance. That significance lies in the court's decision being regarded as having practical, and not merely theoretical, authority over the content of the law. A decision has theoretical authority if the circumstances in which it was made (the identity of the decision-makers, those involved in arguing the case, the availability of evidence or time) provide good reasons for believing the decision to be correct in law. If there are good reasons to believe that an earlier case was correctly decided, and if the facts in a later case are the same as those in the earlier case, then there are good reasons for believing that the same decision would be correct in the later case. In some legal systems earlier decisions are, officially, treated in just this way: cases are cited to courts, but courts may only justify their decisions by reference to other legal materials such as legislation. As a consequence the decision in an earlier case is not in itself regarded as a justification for reaching a decision in a later case...


-there's a whole lot of legal stuff to be argued before precedent (or analogy - which is a step down) can be officially determined, so gallop's case supposedly closing the door to "future lawsuits" is actually a matter of proper legal maneuvering and the legal conclusion highly dependent on the lawyer(s) making the attempt. but to really put this thing in proper perspective: arent we in agreement that the u.s. court system is rigged? so dont we agree that ANY truth that can hurt the gov's version of events will never be allowed to actually reach justice? so dont we agree that any 9/11 truth court case, even one or especially one with merit, will be kept out of or squashed court regardless of any past, present, or future cases? so wouldnt that mean that whatever's happened with gallop's case has no bearing either way on the gov's need to suppress (and continued suppression of) the truth?




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She crawled out the flaming hole??? Give me a break. Read that again and think about it. Firemen and rescue personael all around and a soldier with her weeks old infant crawl out the entry/bombed out hole where they are pouring on the water and foam she valiantly escapes and no one notices her and it doesn't make headlines in a time where miracles seem to happen. This story did not surface for 3-4 years after 9/11. It should have been in the news that day. It was manufactured, like all "news" in the US.



for the record, some related info - video of her that day:

(IMG:http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/22205_911/gallopON911.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIfwsjF8X5U...ailpage#t=1269s




her story was public in at least as early as december 2001. note that
in the pic she looks pretty pissed off, and also note the claim
(by the military publication) that her son was "unhurt".

december 2001:
http://www.ausa.org/publications/armymagaz...nition_1201.pdf

(IMG:http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/22205_911/gallopDEC2001z.jpg)

caption:Spc. April Gallop, wounded in the Pentagon attack, and her son, Elisha.
Elisha was visiting his mother’s office when the plane struck. He was blown out of
his stroller and ended up on top of a pile of debris, unhurt except for dust in his eyes
.


i couldnt find an exact date/time for when this pic (below) became public,
but its from a collection of 9/11 pics by sgt. carmen burgess, and it shows
the same guy from the natgeo video and a baby that matches gallop's son's
appearance. note again the assertion that the child was okay:

(IMG:http://www.army.mil/features/attack/007.jpg)
Department of Defense worker carries infant to safety following the terrorist attack on
the Pentagon Tuesday morning. The child did not require immediate medical attention.


source:
http://www.army.mil/features/attack/007.jpg
http://www.army.mil/features/attack/attack4.htm



that same pic of a baby being carried can be found here along with a version of
events that although not written by gallop, paint a story of the injustice done to her:
http://www.headinjury.com/911ezpeace.htm

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(IMG:http://www.headinjury.com/911samaritan.jpg)

Elisha Zion Gallop is the only child to survive the 9/11 Attack on the Pentagon. Eight children died in that attack, but somehow, Elisha, the miracle baby survived. Elisha's was just 2 months old on September 11, 2001 when tons of concrete, office furnishings and debris fell on him during the attack on the Pentagon.

His injuries included hearing loss and developmental delays due to a head injury. Although Elisha's injuries will likely interfere with his ability to take his rightful place in society the 9/11 Compensation Fund does not consider him to be a "real victim." Consequently, they do not not believe that he deserves compensation. Such compensation would allow him to have the benefit of "Early Intervention" and other such remedial services to help him catch up with and keep up with his peers.

September 11, 2001 was April Gallop's first day back at work from maternity leave. Elisha was sitting in his stroller at his mother's desk when the airplane slammed into the Pentagon. On that fateful day April had been ordered to get a document from her computer for her commanding officer before taking Elisha to the Pentagon Child Care Center.

April had just turned on her computer when the plane hit. She was accustomed to unannounced security drills, but this was different; very different. The noise was like nothing she'd ever heard. It was deafening; it was so loud that it stopped her in her tracks. Then, in the next moment she found herself and Elisha being blown across the room by the concussive force of the explosion.

As she flew through the air she caught a glimpse of the horrendous fire ball that consumed unlucky co-workers. Then the lights went out and April loss consciousness. Sometime later she woke up to the sound of Elisha's cries. In spite of the darkness, smoke and the mounds of burning debris she was able to locate Elisha. Drawing on super human strength borne of such crises petite April pulled Elisha out of the rubble and carried him to safety.

Ignoring her own injuries she helped other wounded to safety for which she has been duly nominated for a soldier's medal. Once she reached safety she fainted and Elisha tumbled into the arms of a bystander, a stranger, who commandeered a passing vehicle and escorted them to George Washington Medical Center.

In the chaos and confusion of the days following 9/11 she was mistakenly reported dead on arrival (DOA), and Absent Without Official Leave (AWOL). While the record identifying her as DOA has been corrected, the record that lists her as AWOL has yet to be corrected in the 3 years since 9/11.

That erroneous record continues to interfered with her ability to receive the Soldier's Medal for which she has been duly nominated for heroism in the face of extreme danger. While others were running away to save themselves, she took time to pull others from the rubble.

It seems that the medal is hung up in some bureaucratic snafu. This snafu has also interfered with her ability to receive relief funds from the military and private charities. It seems clear that this situation is a microcosm of the larger problem that created the conditions that allowed the terrorists to succeed in the 911 attack.

That is, somebody in the chain of command makes a mistake and fails to correct the record, and people up the line fail to check out the facts and they close ranks around the mistake. From that point the initial mistake takes on a life of its own and leads to continually unfolding series of tragedies.

This young single mom lives from eviction notice to eviction notice. Her child was deemed to be in need of early intervention, but 3 years later this innocent child has not received the care that he needs and deserves. Cannon Fodder - They sacrifice, and we turn a blind eye. I hope it hasn't come to that. Her experience as a 9/11 Pentagon survivor is chilling, and as a survey published in the 9/7/04 NY Times shows, is by no means an isolated case.

Despite her considerable difficulties April continues to reach out to others the Elisha Zion Peace Foundation promotes the needs of those who have fallen through the gaps in the safety net of the 9/11 relief agencies. 9-11 EZP Foundation has taken a proactive, leadership role before congress, institutions and policy makers regarding disaster preparedness and disaster relief. 9-11 EZP Foundation has spent hundreds of hours working on behalf of survivors and families. Through our programs, the EZ Peace Foundation ensures that those who have suffered disabling injuries due to the 9/11 attacks will not be left behind.

A medical board found April Gallop unfit to return to her duties as a soldier. Consequently she was forced to give up her career and her dream of attending officer's training school. Her partial disability rating has resulted in a drastic reduction in her income. Her military pay was her family's main source of income. She was the breadwinner. When this single mother survived the horrors of the attack on the Pentagon, she had no idea that she would spend the ensuing years fighting for her life in a bureaucratic morass.


so who to believe? the military and their repeated attempts to assert that the kid was not injured? isnt strange that they would have even mentioned how okay the baby was in those 2 official sources (army/army reserve)? normally they always push the victim angle and would love for a kid to be hurt so they can trigger emotional backlash and blind hatred at "the enemy", so why in these two cases did they go out of their way to assert elisha's uninjuredness?

at her worst, gallop is lying about her or her baby having been hurt and she is being opportunistic in seeking some financial gain. i dont believe that to be the case but even if it was/is, to this day she has never shilled on behalf of the official story. she has never recanted her claim that she did NOT see any plane parts and she has held steadfast to the claim that she believed bombs went off in there (inside the pentagon).
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Yeah, the military is full of it.

It claimed that the Tuskegee experiments did no harm.

April is Persona Non Grata with them because she's not going along with the Official Lie.
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SSgt. Braman is a cook in the Secretary of
the Army’s executive dining facility. On the morning of the
attack, his wife phoned him about the World Trade Center
attacks, and he had just hung up from the conversation
and entered the hallway “when we took the initial shake
and smoke started coming through the hallway.”

As he ran toward the source, the first victim he encountered
was a lady staggering away with a
baby in her arms. “I grabbed the baby and realized
the back of the baby’s head was charred, so I
ran to look for medical help,” he recalled. He
handed off the child to someone outside and returned to
the burning area with Lt. Col. Paul Anderson, who SSgt.
Braman said uttered a prayer before the two entered. “He
said ‘Dear Lord, give me the strength,’ and we went in.”


This would mean April and Elisha as stated he was the ONLY child that survived.
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Elisha Zion Gallop is the only child to survive the 9/11 Attack on the Pentagon.


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There was an explosion and she crawled out from E-Ring through the hole onto the Pentagon lawn.

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Although her desk is just some forty feet from the supposed impact point, and she went out through the blown-open front of the building afterwards,

Did she crawl through the hole or get rescued in the hallway?



In the video she has on a summer dress. Hell of a way for Carrer Army Officer (scratch that wrong Spec.) to go back to work at the military command center. No uniform, oh well today's army, casual Tuesday's.
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SSgt. Braman is a cook in the Secretary of
the Army’s executive dining facility. On the morning of the
attack, his wife phoned him about the World Trade Center
attacks, and he had just hung up from the conversation
and entered the hallway “when we took the initial shake
and smoke started coming through the hallway.”

As he ran toward the source, the first victim he encountered
was a lady staggering away with a
baby in her arms. “I grabbed the baby and realized
the back of the baby’s head was charred, so I
ran to look for medical help,” he recalled. He
handed off the child to someone outside and returned to
the burning area with Lt. Col. Paul Anderson, who SSgt.
Braman said uttered a prayer before the two entered. “He
said ‘Dear Lord, give me the strength,’ and we went in.”


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Did she crawl through the hole or get rescued in the hallway?


great question, especially considering that the braman quote comes from that same army reserve (dec2001) publication that claimed gallop's son was unhurt! if indeed braman rescued elisha, then wouldNt it make sense to tell their stories together? the events and thus the stories are fully intertwined, so how come they placed braman's account in there without giving equal space to gallop's? makes you wonder if they even bothered to speak to gallop... plus both parties were present at this tribute and you'd think gallop would want to thank braman in-person - so as a reporter present at the occasion it would (or should) not be hard to get the facts straight. so i find it odd that the reporter was there and apparently spoke to braman and at least saw (and photographed) gallop, but never bothered to fact-check or cross-check between the 2 parties to get a good understanding of events, cuz they (the writer) then went on to directly contradict themselves in that very short article (or they let their editor or whoever wrote the caption to gallop's photo contradict themselves).

since the publication contradicts itself outright with its opposing claims about the child's well-being im inclined to not trust them at all regardless of what they (the us army reserve writers or editors) have to say. so i did some digging to find another version of braman's account, and found that in the majority of online/published articles that relay braman's account, only a few mention the baby, most of them instead focus on braman having helped sheila moody. but i did find the following, told directly in the first-person by him instead of being written by some army writer:

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http://911digitalarchive.org/smithsonian/details/5251s
Contributed by: Christopher Braman
Contributor's location on 9/11: alexandria
Contributed on: 21 October 2002

How did you witness history on September 11th?

SSG Christopher D. Braman September 11, 2001 Rescue On September 11, 2001, I (SSG Christopher Braman) was on the phone with my wife who had called to tell me that two planes had just crashed through the Twin Towers in New York. I told her not to worry and that I was fine. I said I love you and I hung up the phone. At that moment, the building shook and smoke filled the hallways with panicking people. I immediately went across to the other office and yelled for everyone to get out. I went into the kitchen area and turned off the stoves. The doors were then secured and locked. I came out the emergency exit on the side of the impact. At that moment, a DPS guard came stumbling up with a woman and a baby. I grabbed the baby from her and we walked about fifty more feet where I laid down the woman and the baby. I noticed that the back of the baby's hair was shortened and singed. The baby and the woman were covered in ash and appeared to be in shock. The woman did not speak and the baby was playful, but silent. At that time, the guard yelled to me to get the EMS. I ran towards the point of impact, where I noticed an ambulance pulling up. I yelled to them "I need to get an EMS and that there was a woman and a baby that needed help".



and have a listen to gallop herself (for about 1 minute) starting at 15:10 with the words
"so we get out on the lawn", and see that april's version matches braman's:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3965407869390415574#

-so braman encountered gallop AFTER she had made her way out of the hole. i cant say why, but it appears that the army writer or editor who wrote or okayed that other version (the version that completely contradicts itself about the baby's condition) didnt bother to, or went out of their way not to, get the story straight. but their shoddy reporting does not equal gallop being a liar.
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Great posts P.

I keep losing my cool and start ranting when I discuss this subject.

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/2...gallopON911.jpg

Unbelievably, I just saw that video in full today and was wondering if that was April Gallop.


@Ricochet

What exactly was your point about the "summer dress"??
I can understand your disbelief at Ms Gallop walking through the "impact hole" but that was a very weak answer to a well thought out reply.
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Apr 20 2011, 10:45 AM) *
Great posts P.

I keep losing my cool and start ranting when I discuss this subject.

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/2...gallopON911.jpg

Unbelievably, I just saw that video in full today and was wondering if that was April Gallop.


@Ricochet

What exactly was your point about the "summer dress"??
I can understand your disbelief at Ms Gallop walking through the "impact hole" but that was a very weak answer to a well thought out reply.

My point was she was supposed to be at work with the US Army. No uniform?
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My point was she was supposed to be at work with the US Army. No uniform?


Well, I noticed two things that may explain this in Paranoia's post.

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September 11, 2001 was April Gallop's first day back at work from maternity leave. Elisha was sitting in his stroller at his mother's desk when the airplane slammed into the Pentagon. On that fateful day April had been ordered to get a document from her computer for her commanding officer before taking Elisha to the Pentagon Child Care Center.


There may be a loosening of rules as regards uniform and female military after just giving birth (2 months)?
That's a wild guess, but she was ordered to go directly to her office before dropping the child off at the CCC too.

She may not have had time to change into her uniform?

Whatever the reason, do you actually think she'd go along with or be part of the official lie or part of some alleged long running disinfo campaign to throw a spanner in the works of any future legal challenge against the perps after having her 2 month old son suffer brain damage??

Makes no sense whatsoever mate.
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