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[tumetuestumefais...]

thank you. now i have had quite enough of your patronizing style. banter with yourself in your ivory tower you nuclear power cheerleader.

You wanted to see the numbers, so I've just written them for you. It can seem patronizing like in the school when the teacher shows the kids how to count, but I can't do anything about. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[bill]

"But I'm not an engineer at all. I'm a psychologist. My speciality is terrorism."


Oh


OK


sure


got it

This post has been edited by bill: Apr 12 2011, 07:52 AM

[tumetuestumefais...]

"But I'm not an engineer at all. I'm a psychologist. My speciality is terrorism."
Oh
OK
sure
got it

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I'm glad bill you're sure that you got it. Best argument in your circles. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[tumetuestumefais...]

here a video of the 15m tsunami which hit the Fukushima plant:

Japan 15m Tsunami: Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant at the moment of impact! - April 9, 2011 Vidéo mirrorthis2010 sélectionnée dans TV/Séries

[DoYouEverWonder]

here a video of the 15m tsunami which hit the Fukushima plant:
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Doesn't appear that the facility was built very well. If they had put their generators on the west side of the plant, instead of the ocean side, they might have been able to save the plant. But Big Power Corps don't always make the best decisions when their first priority is the bottom line, rather than safety.

This post has been edited by DoYouEverWonder: Apr 12 2011, 09:04 AM

[tumetuestumefais...]

Doesn't appear that the facility was built very well. If they had put their generators on the west side of the plant, instead of the ocean side, they might have been able to save the plant. But Big Power Corps don't always make the best decisions when their first priority is the bottom line, rather than safety.

Yeah, it wasn't and the wave looks terribly at the video when shatters against the plant. Now I don't wonder it rendered most of the systems there inoperable - when we see on other videos what such waves did with the whole cities. If they would build the plant just 10 meters or so higher it most probably didn't happen - and the terrain profile makes it perfectly possible there to build it higher. At least they should have the emergency systems somewhere up the hill. I'm sure that the Tepco was "saving" some money there - I've read somewhere that some Japanese Diet representatives were notoriously warning Tepco director that the plant is not secure against Tsunamies. The other Fukushima Daini plant is just the 10 meters higher - as I see in the elevation map - and so they managed there even the complete powerloss for several days without any meltdowns, venting, explosions and radioactive water leakages. Also I wonder why they for example didn't have the passive catalytic converters there - which are prescribed in PWR reactor halls - converting oxygen and hydrogen into the water without explosion - to keep the hydrogen under explosive ratio. Another badly "saved" money... I wonder where the'll get the money to indemnify the people in the affected areas. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

Fortunately the reactors were in the containments with the large pressure suppression chambers- if the japanese would be so stupid like the Soviets with the Chernobyl, and were saving the money even on the containments in the 70ties -then it would be really bad.

Like this looks the Fukushima "zone" from the measurements by NNSA from 04/04:

Radiation Monitoring Data from Fukushima Area 04/04/2011

View more presentations from US Department of Energy

(map at page 4) - relatively still "safe" level if one wants to stay there whole the year is the lightblue area. The rest depends on what is the ratio of the Cs-137 there, which the measurements don't show. I think the assessment about which parts of the orange and yellow marked areas will be unhabitable for long time without extensive active decontamination will come after the summer monzun rains which will take portion of the surface contamination by the long-half-life isotopes with and disperse it in the ocean.

The levels except the orange strip are mostly like the decay and first monzun could take the contamination levels down to safe levels, but the distrust in companies like Tepco will persist I think long time. They definitely should envision the possibility of the Tsunami and do something about - especially when it was public secret in Japan the plant is not safe against it.

[lunk]

(IMG:http://www.esa.int/images/Sendai_earthquake_coseismic_L.jpg)

Remember those under water pyramids near Japan?

They weren't built underwater.

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM9PL6UPLG_index_1.html

[tumetuestumefais...]

(IMG:http://www.esa.int/images/Sendai_earthquake_coseismic_L.jpg)

Looks like there was a big tension released between the plates. I wonder how much up the Honshu moved.

[lunk]

Looks like there was a big tension released between the plates. I wonder how much up the Honshu moved.

It's the 20,000 foot drop, just offshore.
It's more dropping than moving.

i think, that the pacific plate is pushing in (towards japan) at the bottom of this 20,000 foot drop, and Japan, at the top of this underwater escarpment is wedged against Asia. This could cause part of the island, to drop down into the ocean, as that continental shelf edge becomes more compromised, and slumps down.

Look out for more tsunamis.

[tumetuestumefais...]

Here I've found a tsunami explanation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K80xh7LYgWg

[bill]

250,000 tons of waste stored for 100,000 years in a safe place

Nothing man has done has even come close to this

Onkalo

parts of this video are blocked from Germany

Part 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AWcle6lM_Q

[tumetuestumefais...]

250,000 tons of waste stored for 100,000 years in a safe place
Nothing man has done has even come close to this
Onkalo
parts of this video are blocked from Germany
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AWcle6lM_Q

Oh, scary.
In reality we cannot afford to store spent nuclear fuel for 100 000 years - it would be wasting valuable stuff - basically we should burn it as fuel in the 4th generatin plants, that's I think much better solution than dig holes in mountains and put there something which can be used as fuel for energy productiion. In my opinion the R&D should continue, because in contemporary nuclear plants of 2nd and 3rd generation there is used much less than 1% of energy contained in the fuel, so the rest of more than 99% rests in the fuel and I think it should be used rather than stored for high costs.