Our Declaration Of Independence; Constitution; And Bill Of Rights, General Discussion of these documents and their "relevance" to Options

[IslandPilot]

I have started this topic in response to "tume's" post in another Forum about TSA Groping of a 6 Year old girl.
Our "original discussion" begins here: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10797465
I responded with: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10797474
Tume's post from: here is quoted as follows: (the "quotes" in white boxes are mine, tume's comments are in the "regular text"... and my "response" will follow in the next post)

QUOTE (IslandPilot @ Apr 14 2011, 02:33 PM)
Tume: I would say your "legal interpretation" is entirely consistent with what I learned about US History, US Government, Our Constitution, and our Legal System from 7th Grade through High School... that would have been from 1959 to 1964. But many things seem to have "changed" since then.

To me from the distance in Europe as I study it, it still looks like the written law and pertinent precedents are in place and active. The US Congress has no power to change the Constitution. Fortunately. What I think looks to me changed is the approach, acceptation, attitude to it, total lack of enforcement face to the military junta which apparently governs the USA since I was still unborn.
Yesterday I was watching the movie War Made Easy and what was there especially disgusting for me was a citation from LBJ speech where he was apparently seriously talking about that they "...fight for selfdetermination, for the right of the Vietnamese to choose their own course, free election, without violence, without terror and without fear..." Yeah, the napalmed and agent oranged children, they surely agree. Now they grop the american children and to me it still looks like a result of the complete lack of the law enforcement facing the military junta governing USA. To me it looks being just matter of time until the Americans are killed on American soil by themTM en masse as the OKC or 9/11 was a teaser for. They still prefer to send them to be killed abroad, together with the masses of civilians there. But the inevitable economic decline the imperial politics brings together with the obsoleteness of the infrastructure can soon make it impossible to wage the wars abroad.

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The current "crop" of our Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Agency personnel have been very good at "twisting" the "meanings" of the US Constitution... and "revising" our "laws" and "legal system", so it no longer RESEMBLES anything I was taught back in the 1960s.

Our "Declaration of Independence" and "Bill of Rights" today seem to be "nothing" more than "interesting" historical documents. The way that the the "US EMPIRE" acts today; is NO DIFFERENT than the BRITISH EMPIRE acted 225 years ago... which is why Our Forefathers Revolted against it, in the first place.

Sorry, but I think it should be repeated over and over. There still is written in the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. (just a legal note: The Declaration of Independence is the law which constitutes United States as the legal entity. The Constitution of the United States just says what are the constitution-government rules of such entity-union of States. That's why you celebrate the 4th July, not September 17th. If the Declaration of Independence would be abolished it would mean the United States no longer exist in the legal sense and under the law of land it would most probably in legal sense become partly possesion of the United Kingdom, Kingdom of Spain, Russian Federation, Republic of France, Kingdom of Havaii and Republic of Texas and Indians. (If I've forget something I appologize to the pertinent parties) Who knows if it wouldn't be better if the Americans themselves aren't able to enforce even the Declaration and Constitution..)

there is also still written in the 14th amendment sec. 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
to my knowledge it was never abolished.

What if the majority in the US Congress is already uneligible due to the 14th Amendment sec. 3. because they have given aid and comfort to the enemies of the Constitution of the United States? Can they vote themselves back? Nope. They would need two thirds in each House of the ones who still are eligible... The same for the executive and judicial branch... looks like a judicial Convention would be only peaceful mean left to solve the situation - if only also the State legislative bodies weren't corrupted mostly the same way as the federal government.

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We are no longer a "Nation of Laws"; in which the Government derives its POWER from the PEOPLE; so if our "Government" doesn't "FEEL" like complying with the LAW.... they WON'T.

It very much looks like the infamous democracy. But not the modern one, the ancient greek one - where a tiny "aristocracy" was voting what they wanted and the rest were slaves. Even the ancient roman empire looks better, they at least weren't so dangerous for the rest of the world not having the nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers and who knows what else...

Back to the topic - I think it would be perfectly legal to bring Pistole, Napolitano, Chertoff & comp. to the Grand Jury to answer in capital process. Better sooner than later.

[albertchampion]

i am tempted to respond to this thread.

as one who once had the bursar's sinecure to a secure future.

the united states of america has always been a bit of a fraud.

but it was ed bernays who iced that cake. during the wilson regime.

and the inhabitants of north america have been engorging themselves on that sugar ever since.

and for most of the diners, to their detriment.

the usa is the piratical successor to the british bunch of bandits.

and there is probably no erasure of this piratical structure. the electronification of ballots, that the intell services promoted, has exterminated forever any semblance of democratic institutions.

wake up, as lunk says on his posts. we are living in a neo-feudal country. and there is no reversing that via fraudulent vote counting.

and there is no chance of a successful insurrection. tumbrils for the amerikan aristocracy won't be running here. for the serfs, yes. for the gangsters/banksters - NO!

and that is the way it is. will always be, i think.

there are no more walter and victor reuthers. there are no more workers who can see themselves as serfs. and that is the real issue, how the state has persuaded so many of the citizenry that they have never had it so good...that being a citizen in the new roman empire is wonderful status.

[IslandPilot]

Albert, you see with clear eyes, you speak the truth. I am not stupid or naiive, I'm just trying to keep my "rose colored glasses" on a little longer.

I have always disliked "History". I hated having to learn about the Roman Empire, the British Empire, and the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich....

I can "relate" a little better to American History before the Civil War,
I liked Paul Revere, riding through town like an idiot and hollering his head off...
while Ben Franklin was printing "alternate" news in "Little Richard's Almanac"... and "inventing" neat stuff... before entertaining the "ladies of Paris"
and John Paul Jones with his "plucky" attitude on Old Ironsides when he "hadn't yet begun to fight"...
and Washington was "the Man" crossing the Delaware... and "toughing it out" at Valley Forge...
and the Green Mountain Boys taking over Fort Ticonderoga... (did I spell that right?) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
and Patrick Henry told it like it was... "Gimme Liberty of Death" or Go F...k off!
and that guy putting his 5 inch "John Handcock" on that "Independence Death Warrant" so King George wouldn't have to put on his glasses to read it!
When "Patriot" and "Minuteman" referred to "guys in a Militia" instead of guided missiles.
while Frances Scott Key kept an eye on Fort Sumpter, just makin' sure "our Flag was still there."
while Betsy Ross was sewing a new flag in her rocking chair...

Now those were Citizens we all can be Proud of!

And look at the Sorry Bunch of Wimps we got running the country today... it must be some kind of "inverse square law".... as the Country grew Bigger... those running it (those we can see) became "smaller" and "smaller"...
out of 535 people in Congress; you can throw maybe 525 of them away, and never notice the difference.... except for their payrolls and benefits. That's pretty sad.

Enough of the "whining"... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/crybaby2.gif) already... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/crybaby.gif)

They made us learn that "HISTORY" and told us "History repeats itself"; so we could prevent it next time. Somehow we Screwed Up... or "somebody" screwed up...

I remember "feeling" the stinking Roman Empire... and the British Empire.... and the stupid Nazis were just "junk" from the long ago past... that I'd NEVER have to THINK ABOUT for the rest of my life. What an idiot, I was.

Today, I live in London-Rome... 4 years after Hitler has taken over running the joint. I'm kinda glad I'm not a Jew... but I'm not so happy that I'm not Black...and I ain't very happy being on the "winning" Empire's side... so far.

It sucks to be a Limey-Roman and to know "MY GOVERNMENT" is treating its citizens, as well as the guys in Gitmo, the same way the Romans treated "Christians".... or the way them Redcoats treated our GOOD COLONISTS! And How can that happen.... after ALL WE'VE gone through so far??

My grandparents came here from Germany in the 20s, after WWI, when Germany was Starving to death before Hitler showed up. They went to night school to learn English, AMERICAN HISTORY.... and about our GOVERNMENT too. They became US Citizens... and were very PROUD of it. My Grandpa ALWAYS had a picture of the CURRENT PRESIDENT hanging above his kitchen table. And he ALWAYS FLEW THE FLAG on holidays and whenever we went up to his cottage.

And it was always a "mystery" to me.... like how could the "GERMAN PEOPLE", who are fairly "intelligent" to begin with.... HOW COULD THEY LET such a MADMAN like Hitler take CONTROL of their COUNTRY and their LIVES so COMPLETELY..... without a MASSIVE REVOLUTION to GET HIM OUTTA THERE...

I could NEVER FIGURE THAT OUT....

Until I looked up into the MOST BEAUTIFUL BLUEST SKY I've EVER SEEN in my LIFE...on September 12. 2001, knowing that MY FREEDOM to FLY ANYWHERE, ANYTIME I WANTED, was now LOST AND GONE FOREVER! Because GWB said so!

That Beautiful Blue Sky was SO SILENT, It scared me half to DEATH.... especially when I noticed that the "transponder reply" light was now "blinking" in my airplane on the ground here... and it had NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE! And it hasn't STOPPED doing that since.

I think that "blinking" light means: ACHTUNG! Welkum to AMERIKA IP! Zeig Heil!

the united states of america has always been a bit of a fraud.

the usa is the piratical successor to the british bunch of bandits.
and there is probably no erasure of this piratical structure. the electronification of ballots, that the intell services promoted, has exterminated forever any semblance of democratic institutions.

wake up, as lunk says on his posts. we are living in a neo-feudal country. and there is no reversing that via fraudulent vote counting.

and there is no chance of a successful insurrection.
and that is the way it is. will always be, i think.
...that being a citizen in the new roman empire is wonderful status.

Yup! U Betcha! on everything you said, except for one thing...
"Being a citizen in the New Roman Empire"..... SUCKS!! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)